iOS 9 vs iOS 8.4.1 unresponsiveness due to input-blocking

[trifid]

Right we don't know for sure what's going on. I can tell you 3D touch is almost useless for me due to input-blocking. Like I posted here, https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ive-right-after-entering-home-screen.1921186/, I was opening my phone or switching apps and then immediately trying to 3D touch on phone, or camera, and input wouldn't register. This led me to frustration because unlike tapping, 3D touch requires pressure and it does take more time than tapping, so I was both wasting time and trying to press harder on the phone.

I wanted to use 3D touch as it's intended to be used, as a shortcut to things, and yet due to input-blocking, my initial 3d touch being dismissed (lost 1-3 seconds), plus a second 3D touch (with more pressure thinking my first didn't have enough pressure), makes for a poor user experience for me especially when trying to use 3D-touch OS-wide.

Like I said before, we have cases where input is blocked and cases where it's not as I listed in OP. Why is input blocked during notifications panel animation but not during control center animation? Both panels are invoked via swipe gesture and have touchable controls. There seems to be no consistency, and this is part of the reason I suspect something is off to say the least.

 

[LMEL]

Thanks for starting this thread - and to everyone who has posted their precise descriptions and videos! I was trying to decide whether I should update my iPhone 5s from iOS 8.3 to 9.2.1 and the input delay you and others have described would drive me INSANE! When I want to abandon one activity when another creative spark or inquisitive urge strikes, I want to go there immediately - not when the device software is ready to let me go. I can see why this wouldn't necessarily bother everyone - but my computer habits are messy with lots of open windows and half-complete activities that I abandon temporarily while I hare off into the internet. The delay you've described would be intolerable.

Learning this will cause me to examine the iPad Pro much more carefully - I had intended to purchase it within a week, but I might delay for the time being.

I will continue watching this thread to see when Apple will resolve the problem. Thanks again!
..Loretta

 

[trifid]

Thanks for starting this thread - and to everyone who has posted their precise descriptions and videos! I was trying to decide whether I should update my iPhone 5s from iOS 8.3 to 9.2.1 and the input delay you and others have described would drive me INSANE! When I want to abandon one activity when another creative spark or inquisitive urge strikes, I want to go there immediately - not when the device software is ready to let me go. I can see why this wouldn't necessarily bother everyone - but my computer habits are messy with lots of open windows and half-complete activities that I abandon temporarily while I hare off into the internet. The delay you've described would be intolerable.

Learning this will cause me to examine the iPad Pro much more carefully - I had intended to purchase it within a week, but I might delay for the time being.

I will continue watching this thread to see when Apple will resolve the problem. Thanks again!
..Loretta

Hey thanks for your post, glad to see it's helpful, I agree the videos are great and show you exactly what to expect. I was just curious do you have "reduce motion" on by any chance? For those of us that have it, the input-blocking is much more noticeable. That may be something to factor into your decision/experience.

 

[LMEL]

Hey thanks for your post, glad to see it's helpful, I agree the videos are great and show you exactly what to expect. I was just curious do you have "reduce motion" on by any chance? For those of us that have it, the input-blocking is much more noticeable. That may be something to factor into your decision/experience.

Thanks - I'll make sure to try the iPad Pro floor model at the Apple store with that setting both on and off. "Reduce motion" is "off" on my iPhone 5s.

 

[davidb8]

Just got a replacement 6 plus from insurance after losing my last one. Checked the iOS version straight away and its on 8.4!

The difference is ridiculous! My old 6 plus on 9.1 was laggy and slow. Taking sometimes 2-3 seconds to even register I'd opened an app. Sometimes the camera would take about 10 seconds to open. Even after a reset it was just as bad.

Sticking with 8.4 for now! Maybe if they jail break 9.2 I will update.

 

[lagwagon]

Just got a replacement 6 plus from insurance after losing my last one. Checked the iOS version straight away and its on 8.4!

The difference is ridiculous! My old 6 plus on 9.1 was laggy and slow. Taking sometimes 2-3 seconds to even register I'd opened an app. Sometimes the camera would take about 10 seconds to open. Even after a reset it was just as bad.

Sticking with 8.4 for now! Maybe if they jail break 9.2 I will update.

To be fair. The difference between 9.1 and the soon to be released 9.3 is pretty big. So you're comparing to something that has been updated a few times now with 9.2, 9.2.1 and soon to be 9.3.

Doesn't solve the input issue but you're not comparing it to the most current iOS 9 version. Which has vastly improved in other areas since 9.1.

 

[C DM]

Hey thanks for your post, glad to see it's helpful, I agree the videos are great and show you exactly what to expect. I was just curious do you have "reduce motion" on by any chance? For those of us that have it, the input-blocking is much more noticeable. That may be something to factor into your decision/experience.

While I've been using reduce motion since iOS 7.0 days, and while I've definitely felt the delays in interaction and animations as soon as I upgraded to iOS 7.0 from iOS 6, I can't say I felt much of a difference in that respect going from those days (at least iOS 7.1) through the current version of iOS 9. Basically to say that personal experience can and does differ.

 

[Act3]

While I've been using reduce motion since iOS 7.0 days, and while I've definitely felt the delays in interaction and animations as soon as I upgraded to iOS 7.0 from iOS 6, I can't say I felt much of a difference in that respect going from those days trough the current version of iOS 9. Basically to say that personal experience can and does differ.

I agree different experiences for everyone, I did not notice the interaction delay when going from iOS 6 to iOS 7. I also never noticed it in any version of iOS 8 , however I did notice it within a minute of using iOS 9.

 

[Jayson A]

I agree different experiences for everyone, I did not notice the interaction delay when going from iOS 6 to iOS 7. I also never noticed it in any version of iOS 8 , however I did notice it within a minute of using iOS 9.

I wonder why they would think blocking input would ever be a good thing.

 

[Act3]

I wonder why they would think blocking input would ever be a good thing.

Not sure that the input blocking is on purpose as it is hit and miss when the blocking occurs. Closing an app using the finger gesture on an iPad doesn't block the input but closing the app using home button does.

 

[Jayson A]

Not sure that the input blocking is on purpose as it is hit and miss when the blocking occurs. Closing an app using the finger gesture on an iPad doesn't block the input but closing the app using home button does.

I was thinking about that, and I suppose that they physically can't block input for finger gestures because the screen obviously needs input from your fingers in order for that feature to work, hence no input blocking on figure gestures.

If you've noticed, using finger gestures aren't just a quick action either… you can move as slowly or as quickly as you want and the zoom will stay where ever your fingers are, just as long as you don't let go.

 

[Act3]

I was thinking about that, and I suppose that they physically can't block input for finger gestures because the screen obviously needs input from your fingers in order for that feature to work, hence no input blocking on figure gestures.

Yea but once the gesture is completely made and fingers let go, the "minimize app command" then occurs. Input would not be needed until animation completed but for some reason when using the gesture to minimize an app, the screen will register a tap on another icon immediately, it won't open the other app until the animation or fade is complete, but the input is taken.

 

[trifid]

I have a dream...

 

[Altis]

I wonder why they would think blocking input would ever be a good thing.

It drives me nuts using my iPhones and having it ignore taps, swipes, and button presses.

It makes it feel so slow and clunky to use.

 

[Jayson A]

It drives me nuts using my iPhones and having it ignore taps, swipes, and button presses.

It makes it feel so slow and clunky to use.

Feels like regression.

 

[Silly John Fatty]

So I was going to update my iPad Air 1 from 8.4.1 to 9.2.1, but I think you guys answered all my questions

 

[iOSUser7]

So I was going to update my iPad Air 1 from 8.4.1 to 9.2.1, but I think you guys answered all my questions

My advice : don't ever do that. I upgraded mine (same model as yours, iPad Air 1) when 9.0 come out, it was a giant mess of stutter, crashes and unresponsiveness. I immediatly downgraded back on 8.4.1 while it was still possible.

In my own experience and from what I saw, iPads are the most affected devices by the general slow down of iOS 9 probably due to the higher resolution of the screen compared to iPhones.

And I know 9.2.1 fixed some bugs but nonetheless it's still the same iOS 9 (buggy and sluggish).

 

[Silly John Fatty]

Yeah I see what you mean. I would have thought the older iPhones like 4s are affected the most, but I watched some videos and it seems like the 4s runs pretty well on iOS 9, in some cases even better than iOS 8.

But your theory with the screen makes sense and that's why I don't want to risk it. I really need the iPad and can't allow myself not having it for one day, I need it for work. Apple thinks we're all rich and have nothing to do but experimenting with iOS versions and buying new iPads and iPhones when something doesn't work.

 

[C DM]

Yeah I see what you mean. I would have thought the older iPhones like 4s are affected the most, but I watched some videos and it seems like the 4s runs pretty well on iOS 9, in some cases even better than iOS 8.

But your theory with the screen makes sense and that's why I don't want to risk it. I really need the iPad and can't allow myself not having it for one day, I need it for work. Apple thinks we're all rich and have nothing to do but experimenting with iOS versions and buying new iPads and iPhones when something doesn't work.

Things aren't really working worse off for most people and many of those that are experiencing things worse in some way they aren't anywhere close to the point of the device not being usable or being without a device for some time or having to buy a new one.

 

[Radon87000]

So I was going to update my iPad Air 1 from 8.4.1 to 9.2.1, but I think you guys answered all my questions

My Air 2 suffered a significant slowdown on iOS 9 compared to iOS 8.4.1.On iOS 8 there was NEVER ever any animation stutters.But they are there on iOS 9.Stick to iOS 8.4.1 as its THE best for the Air series

 

[perfect_]

Im totally agree this thread. I have evidence's to support you.

Evidence - 1
- Double tap home button (Not touch)
- Swipe up
(But dont open Control Center. You just need to see arrow.)
- Swipe right-left or touch screen
(Nothing happens)

Evidence - 2
SimLock buttons are not responding. (first 2 seconds)

Evidence - 3
Input blocking system growing up with iOS 9.3

Right now im using iOS 9.3 beta4 and i cant close too easy Spotlight search sometimes. iOS didnt answer my swipes.

Here is the explanation;
- Swipe down
(Spotlight search opened)
- Swipe up fastly
(iOS didnt answer my swipes. Now this step u have to do Swipe up again or touch Cancel button. Cancel button always works. But swipes not working always.)

Evidence - 4
iOS 9.2 vs iOS 5.1.1

Evidence - 5

What are you doing Apple?!

 

[Silly John Fatty]

iOS 9.2 vs iOS 5.1.1

Pre-iOS 7, good times!

 

[trifid]

Im totally agree this thread. I have evidence's to support you.

Evidence - 1
- Double tap home button (Not touch)
- Swipe up
(But dont open Control Center. You just need to see arrow.)
- Swipe right-left or touch screen
(Nothing happens)

Yea, I've seen someone mention this in 9.3 beta 4, they mentioned it might be a bug, but I'm concerned it might be intentional.

Evidence - 4
iOS 9.2 vs iOS 5.1.1

Mind blown, wow. Excellent video, thank you for posting this. It doesn't cease to amaze me how fluid it 'could' be, and how 'blocked' or 'clunky' it currently is. This video shows it so clearly, how much input-blocking there is while navigating/scrolling in 9.2 vs iOS5.1.1. Incredible.

Edit: I've added the scrolling video link to OP.
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Im totally agree this thread. I have evidence's to support you.

Evidence - 3
Input blocking system growing up with iOS 9.3

Right now im using iOS 9.3 beta4 and i cant close too easy Spotlight search sometimes. iOS didnt answer my swipes.

Here is the explanation;
- Swipe down
(Spotlight search opened)
- Swipe up fastly
(iOS didnt answer my swipes. Now this step u have to do Swipe up again or touch Cancel button. Cancel button always works. But swipes not working always.)

You are right on this one, I just tested it 9.3 beta4 vs 8.4.1, and 9.3 beta 4 is doing some really weird stuff, sometimes it's actually stuck and you can't get out unless you tap on cancel or the home button. Seems more like a bug, but there is definitely input-blocking.

 

[C DM]

Yea, I've seen someone mention this in 9.3 beta 4, they mentioned it might be a bug, but I'm concerned it might be intentional.



Mind blown, wow. Excellent video, thank you for posting this. It doesn't cease to amaze me how fluid it 'could' be, and how 'blocked' or 'clunky' it currently is. This video shows it so clearly, how much input-blocking there is while navigating/scrolling in 9.2 vs iOS5.1.1. Incredible.

Edit: I've added the scrolling video link to OP.
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You are right on this one, I just tested it 9.3 beta4 vs 8.4.1, and 9.3 beta 4 is doing some really weird stuff, sometimes it's actually stuck and you can't get out unless you tap on cancel or the home button. Seems more like a bug, but there is definitely input-blocking.

It's been like that, to one degree or another, since iOS 7, for about 3 years now.

 

[trifid]

It's been like that, to one degree or another, since iOS 7, for about 3 years now.

You know how something bothers you but you can't pinpoint exactly what it is? Like, you get used to something, but when shown something better, you instantly recognize it? I had an idea this behavior was new in iOS7 but honestly didn't remember it was so much better in iOS5. Even seeing it side by side is striking.