iOS 9 vs iOS 8.4.1 unresponsiveness due to input-blocking

[I7guy]

So according to you iOS 9.4 will beat 8.4.1 in performance?

Define performance.

Give it a rest
Unless otherwise noted, the implied intent (especially in advertising) is in comparison to what currently is, or exists.

Quite agree.

You work for Apple?

What do you think?

 

[trifid]

Define performance.

Quite agree.

What do you think?

Also curious about what iOS device you use, if you don't mind sharing

 

[I7guy]

Also curious about what iOS device you use, if you don't mind sharing

No, the house has, 2 ipad 2, 2 5s, 6, and 6s.

 

[trifid]

No, the house has, 2 ipad 2, 2 5s, 6, and 6s.

And what iPhone do you use primarily?

 

[Jayson A]

So if a company says "our product now has less fat!" so you go "Sweet!" and buy it, only to find out that it actually has MORE fat, you're not supposed to be upset because you can't trust what they say? Not only does it have more fat, but you cannot return it and you get even buy the less-fat version anymore, but the marketing material everywhere says less fat? Less fat than what? Less fat than pure lard?

You guys will twist anything around to make it sound like you're right, but you're not.

 

[Radon87000]

This thing about getting hung up on marketing is almost silly. How often does a product actually match the marketing? Why isn't everyone going after McDonalds because their burgers look almost nothing like they do in commercials?

If you have UI issues and you aren't happy about them, that can certainly be understandable. But when it all gets needlessly stretched out and exaggerated into it all being some sort of disaster and how it's horrible and upsetting that the marketing hype doesn't quite match the reality, that's not really useful.

Because

1.McDonalds has been doing that since the beginning.On the other hand,performance being the main highlight of iOS 9 was done for the first time by Apple.All major releases dont and wont have performance plastered on them.In this case,I wont hold Apple to their word obviously.Now this is a case of promising and failing to deliver.They acheived almost all of what they advertised except this aspect.Why does performance get differential treatment?If they didnt advertise it like they didnt in iOS 8 then there would be no problem except for the usual performance regression but no broken promises.

Now if like McDonalds,Apple advertised improved performance every time on a major release you would have a point.Each time a new iOS releases,performance has dropped.Since they posted performance as a major highlight,people were hopeful this trend would stop but it didnt which leads us to this thread

 

[I7guy]

And what iPhone do you use primarily?

I don't collect phones. I have one phone and one ipad. Other family have the others. My phone is the 6s, but I'm constantly on the other phones due to this reason and that reason.

 

[C DM]

So if a company says "our product now has less fat!" so you go "Sweet!" and buy it, only to find out that it actually has MORE fat, you're not supposed to be upset because you can't trust what they say? Not only does it have more fat, but you cannot return it and you get even buy the less-fat version anymore, but the marketing material everywhere says less fat? Less fat than what? Less fat than pure lard?

You guys will twist anything around to make it sound like you're right, but you're not.

Have you reported this to Apple and/or FTC or someone similar to look into it if that part of it matters so much? No one here can do anything at all about any of it. Is getting the product improved more important or getting hung up on marketing more important?
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Because

1.McDonalds has been doing that since the beginning.On the other hand,performance being the main highlight of iOS 9 was done for the first time by Apple.All major releases dont and wont have performance plastered on them.In this case,I wont hold Apple to their word obviously.Now this is a case of promising and failing to deliver.They acheived almost all of what they advertised except this aspect.Why does performance get differential treatment?If they didnt advertise it like they didnt in iOS 8 then there would be no problem except for the usual performance regression but no broken promises.

Now if like McDonalds,Apple advertised improved performance every time on a major release you would have a point.Each time a new iOS releases,performance has dropped.Since they posted performance as a major highlight,people were hopeful this trend would stop but it didnt which leads us to this thread

Apple has been doing marketing since beginning and not living up to it for plenty of people in one respect or another. There's nothing new in it aside from the part that it finally didn't live up to it in your case--when it affected others it wasn't a big deal, now that you finally felt it it's a big deal all of a sudden, except that it's really not, it's just that for you and some others who haven't dealt with it before while many have been living in that realty for a long time.

And where's the part that underlines it all too well: if they didn't market it then apparently you wouldn't feel the issues you are seeing are as bad. Funny how that works out since the severity of something is unrelated to marketing, but the mere fact that you are connecting it all to it means that it was never as bad as you have been consistently making it out to be, that it was just something mostly on principle rather than an actual severe issue.

Between all the contradictions and this it seems that the truth is finally surfacing and it certainly explains a lot.

 

[Radon87000]

I don't collect phones. I have one phone and one ipad. Other family have the others. My phone is the 6s, but I'm constantly on the other phones due to this reason and that reason.

I find it amazing that someone who used the iPhone 6 on 8.4.1 doesn't see the laggy **** it has become on iOS 9

 

[Jayson A]

Have you reported this to Apple and/or FTC or someone similar to look into it if that part of it matters so much? No one here can do anything at all about any of it. Is getting the product improved more important or getting hung up on marketing more important?
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Apple has been doing marketing since beginning and not living up to it for plenty of people in one respect or another. There's nothing new in it aside from the part that it finally didn't live up to it in your case--when it affected others it wasn't a big deal, now that you finally felt it it's a big deal all of a sudden, except that it's really not, it's just that for you and some others who haven't dealt with it before while many have been living in that realty for a long time.

And where's the part that underlines it all too well: if they didn't market it then apparently you wouldn't feel the issues you are seeing are as bad. Funny how that works out since the severity of something is unrelated to marketing, but the mere fact that you are connecting it all to it means that it was never as bad as you have been consistently making it out to be, that it was just something mostly on principle rather than an actual severe issue.

Between all the contradictions and this it seems that the truth is finally surfacing and it certainly explains a lot.

You just contradicted yourself.

You just said it was a big deal to HIM, when it's really NOT. Maybe it's not a big deal to you, but it's a big deal for him and I.

Who are you to say what's a big deal and what's acceptable. To me, I've always loved that iPhones had a very smooth interface, but now it just reminds me of any other cheap phone.

You're passionate about it being perfectly acceptable to live with a laggy, stuttery iOS, but I'm passionate about getting back what we once had, which was (in my opinion) a lot better before.

 

[C DM]

You just contradicted yourself.

You just said it was a big deal to HIM, when it's really NOT. Maybe it's not a big deal to you, but it's a big deal for him and I.

Who are you to say what's a big deal and what's acceptable. To me, I've always loved that iPhones had a very smooth interface, but now it just reminds me of any other cheap phone.

You're passionate about it being perfectly acceptable to live with a laggy, stuttery iOS, but I'm passionate about getting back what we once had, which was (in my opinion) a lot better before.

And that's the whole point. He has been saying how big of a deal it has been and then said if Apple didn't market it that way then it wouldn't have been a big deal at all. That means the issue on its own isn't a big deal otherwise it would be that regardless of marketing.
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I find it amazing that someone who used the iPhone 6 on 8.4.1 doesn't see the laggy **** it has become on iOS 9

We are back to the same thing that has been going on for months: because it's not that way for many others. That doesn't diminish what it is for you and some others, but it doesn't mean it's like that for many others either.

 

[Act3]

This thing about getting hung up on marketing is almost silly. How often does a product actually match the marketing? Why isn't everyone going after McDonalds because their burgers look almost nothing like they do in commercials?

If you have UI issues and you aren't happy about them, that can certainly be understandable. But when it all gets needlessly stretched out and exaggerated into it all being some sort of disaster and how it's horrible and upsetting that the marketing hype doesn't quite match the reality, that's not really useful.

My point is Apple has no reason to "market" improved performance in order to "sell" someone to upgrade their iOS.

 

[dk001]

Marketing works the way it always worked. Seems like the complaints are about things not working well, which is the case whether or not Apple said anything about it. Or are your saying most of these complaints wouldn't be there if Apple didn't mention anything in relation to it in their marketing? If so, that would mean things are actually working fine and people would be happy with them are just making themselves not happy on principle essentially simply trying to compare to the marketing.

Not saying they wouldn't be there (iOS 8 has a long update road) rather I, and it looks like others, would not have gone into iOS9 expecting speed / fluidity improvements, maybe significant improvements.
Still, go back and remove all of the "Apple said that the speed..." entries. There are a looooot of them.
Expectations.

 

[Vexxx]

These few defenders seem to have hard time to down play this one (the stutter/lag/responsiveness issue).

I think it would be much easier to admit that there are people who have this issue and they find it to be very big. And maybe wish for them good luck and hope that Apple fixes these issues (Apple has the feedback from these people). I do.

I can only imagine what is the motive to make these endless "counter posts".

 

[lagwagon]

These few defenders seem to have hard time to down play this one (the stutter/lag/responsiveness issue).

I think it would be much easier to admit that there are people who have this issue and they find it to be very big. And maybe wish for them good luck and hope that Apple fixes these issues (Apple has the feedback from these people). I do.

I can only imagine what is the motive to make these endless "counter posts".

We're not trying to downplay the actual issue of stutter. It's the excessive over exaggeration done by about 4-5 people that we're countering.

I explain at least one motive in the post above yours. It puts fear/doubt into new iOS users who may want to enjoy some new features and use in daily life to make things a bit easier for them.

No where have I said I never wanted to issue fixed. I've sent feedback on many occasions about it. Especially about the music app going into and out of an artist. It stutters and then some text blinks.

 

[Vexxx]

because of reading all the doom and gloom this one person clogs every thread about iOS 9 with. Providing nothing but fear into new to iOS users who very well could not be bothered by a few fps drops and value the new features more. But because such a person reads it "cripples" and makes every device "unusable" with over exaggerations they fear about wanting new features, that could help them out in day to day life.

Are you saying that people in here usually make decisions based on what one person says?

I agree that it should be said if someone has opposite experience. But in the next sentence one should not doubt or down play other one's experience. The one wanting the new features could be also "stutter hater", you know.

 

[Jayson A]

These few defenders seem to have hard time to down play this one (the stutter/lag/responsiveness issue).

I think it would be much easier to admit that there are people who have this issue and they find it to be very big. And maybe wish for them good luck and hope that Apple fixes these issues (Apple has the feedback from these people). I do.

I can only imagine what is the motive to make these endless "counter posts".

Not only are there frame drops, but starting with iOS 9, Apple has implemented input blocking so that you HAVE to wait for the animation to completely finish before doing ANYTHING else or else your taps will not register. Which means that if you know where you want to go, you tap, tap but nothing happens, then iOS unblocks the input and you're able to tap again. By now you've wasted a bunch of taps and it's not that it's a huge deal, but it breaks your workflow and hinders your experience by making you think the device is just slow.

This doesn't happen to just power users either. I watched my wife's Mom try to use her iPad and I watch her tap 2 or 3 times sometimes to get the iPad to respond to her input. The iPad isn't being slow, it's just that she naturally wants to tap while the screen might be still scrolling or animating. I see this happen a lot in the task switcher.

Open the task switcher, scroll to the home screen and tap. Nothing happens until you tap it twice.

 

[balamw]

Mod note: Thread closed for review.

B

 

[annk]

We've reopened the thread, in hope that the problems that caused it to be closed don't reoccur.

 

[Act3]

Thanks, and to keep on topic, the "issue" that the OP mentioned still exists in 9.3 beta 4 if anyone cares.

 

[Radon87000]

In contrast to the users,the mods on this site are very balanced and unbiased I must say.

OT: iOS 9.3 is still not on the level of 8.4.1 in the smoothness and responsiveness department.Almost all of my apps have stuttery scrolling
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Have you reported this to Apple and/or FTC or someone similar to look into it if that part of it matters so much? No one here can do anything at all about any of it. Is getting the product improved more important or getting hung up on marketing more important?
[doublepost=1454870721][/doublepost]
Apple has been doing marketing since beginning and not living up to it for plenty of people in one respect or another. There's nothing new in it aside from the part that it finally didn't live up to it in your case--when it affected others it wasn't a big deal, now that you finally felt it it's a big deal all of a sudden, except that it's really not, it's just that for you and some others who haven't dealt with it before while many have been living in that realty for a long time.

And where's the part that underlines it all too well: if they didn't market it then apparently you wouldn't feel the issues you are seeing are as bad. Funny how that works out since the severity of something is unrelated to marketing, but the mere fact that you are connecting it all to it means that it was never as bad as you have been consistently making it out to be, that it was just something mostly on principle rather than an actual severe issue.

Between all the contradictions and this it seems that the truth is finally surfacing and it certainly explains a lot.

So you don't think the fact that the most valuable company in the world markets something and it turns out to be a lie as bad?

 

[C DM]

In contrast to the users,the mods on this site are very balanced and unbiased I must say.

OT: iOS 9.3 is still not on the level of 8.4.1 in the smoothness and responsiveness department.Almost all of my apps have stuttery scrolling
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So you don't think the fact that the most valuable company in the world markets something and it turns out to be a lie as bad?

Not what the underlying/main part of that post was about (and not surprising that that wasn't picked up on or ignored--certainly relates quite well to that contrasting commentary about users).

 

[trifid]

Guys if possible I'd like this thread to focus on input-blocking as stated in OP, since this is still unfixed and represents a much more concerning issue for me personally, as it seems to be expanding in iOS.

 

[Jayson A]

Guys if possible I'd like this thread to focus on input-blocking as stated in OP, since this is still unfixed and represents a much more concerning issue for me personally, as it seems to be expanding in iOS.

Maybe it's not something that needs fixing. It could be a feature to prevent people from trying to start another task mid-animation.

 

[lagwagon]

Because Apple rarely comes out and says why they do or don't do something. Everyone is left to just speculate about everything. (This is why arguments constantly happen on forums)

There could be legit reasons why input is temporarily turned off during animations, there could equally be no reason why input is turned off temporarily during animations and should be fixed. There is no way of knowing if it's on purpose or not. Arguing over it is an endless circle for that very reason. Because no one knows one way or the other, except for the software engineers at Apple. Who are tight lipped about everything.