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I7guy

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Oh noes poor multi-billion Apple, getting heat for advertising iOS9 as "more responsive performance" luring users to upgrade and then locking them out so they can't downgrade to iOS8.4.1 hijacking our expensive Apple devices which we paid with well earned money. How dare us bother Apple with mundane complaints? Please.

If you sell an expensive product and put out false-advertising and then lock out users so they can't downgrade, and if you value user experience like Apple does, expect feedback and lots of it.

Instant gratification? I want a responsive user interface, and if for some reason Apple is inept to deliver it at least let me downgrade to 8.4.1, is that too much to ask?
They lured you to update with their adverts? I just updated as soon as iOS 9 was released and immediately liked it better than iOS 8 and still do.
 

trifid

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They lured you to update with their adverts? I just updated as soon as iOS 9 was released and immediately liked it better than iOS 8 and still do.

Good for you, maybe you didn't care or notice the performance hit much, and that's great for you, but the fact is there was a performance/responsiveness hit, that's a fact and no one here, not even the apologists are disputing. Perhaps it doesn't affect you, but it's there. And it does affect people to varying degrees depending on what device they have.

It's really tiresome that some people here keep defending Apple, what's the point? Does Apple need defense? It seems to me if we all agree there is a performance hit, why not acknowledge it, send feedback to Apple and keep educating other users about the issues so they do the same. The more feedback Apple gets the more chances it'll get addressed.

But why keep defending or making excuses? I guess you don't want people sending feedback to Apple about fixing the stuttering etc?

And by the way, 9.3 so far seems to have addressed a significant part of the performance issues which undeniably confirms there was an issue and Apple fixed it, we don't know if feedback played a role or not, but it might have helped, no?
 

Radon87000

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If you write your feedback to Apple in the same way you post here on these forums I'm sure even Apple has ignored you 5 1/2 months ago.
When I wrote my "feedback" I got a quicker response from the Chrome team than Apple ever did.SO I guess my feedback isnt "professional" enough for Apple eh?
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They lured you to update with their adverts? I just updated as soon as iOS 9 was released and immediately liked it better than iOS 8 and still do.
Funny how almost everything they advertised works as intended but performance is an exceptional marketing trick right?
 
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lagwagon

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When I wrote my "feedback" I got a quicker response from the Chrome team than Apple ever did.SO I guess my feedback isnt "professional" enough for Apple eh?

Congrats. You got a quicker response from a small web browser team vs a much larger OS team. I've gotten a response from Apple on quite a few of my feedback reports and sometimes within a couple days from sending the feedback.
 

asv56kx3088

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They lured you to update with their adverts? I just updated as soon as iOS 9 was released and immediately liked it better than iOS 8 and still do.
Not this BS again.
You like it more =/= it doesn't have UI lag.
 
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I7guy

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When I wrote my "feedback" I got a quicker response from the Chrome team than Apple ever did.SO I guess my feedback isnt "professional" enough for Apple eh?
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Funny how almost everything they advertised works as intended but performance is an exceptional marketing trick right?
No performance is an individual metric meaning different things to different people. Using cars as an example: "My car has better performance than yours". Okay what does that mean. 0 to 60?, skidpad, slalom, breaking, emergency stop, top speed?
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Good for you, maybe you didn't care or notice the performance hit much, and that's great for you, but the fact is there was a performance/responsiveness hit, that's a fact and no one here, not even the apologists are disputing. Perhaps it doesn't affect you, but it's there. And it does affect people to varying degrees depending on what device they have.

It's really tiresome that some people here keep defending Apple, what's the point? Does Apple need defense? It seems to me if we all agree there is a performance hit, why not acknowledge it, send feedback to Apple and keep educating other users about the issues so they do the same. The more feedback Apple gets the more chances it'll get addressed.

But why keep defending or making excuses? I guess you don't want people sending feedback to Apple about fixing the stuttering etc?

And by the way, 9.3 so far seems to have addressed a significant part of the performance issues which undeniably confirms there was an issue and Apple fixed it, we don't know if feedback played a role or not, but it might have helped, no?
Isn't what you say the typical progression of IOS releases? IOS 8.0 from all accounts was a disaster and got better until the final release, but there was were still items that needed to be addressed.

I thought there was ample discussion on not everybody feels the same as everybody else with respect to IOS 9. There is nothing to defend and nothing to bash. It is what it is. Maybe not the pinnacle of perfection for some, but fairly good for most.

As for the bolded, maybe or maybe not; depending on what it is.
 

Jayson A

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No performance is an individual metric meaning different things to different people. Using cars as an example: "My car has better performance than yours". Okay what does that mean. 0 to 60?, skidpad, slalom, breaking, emergency stop, top speed?
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Isn't what you say the typical progression of IOS releases? IOS 8.0 from all accounts was a disaster and got better until the final release, but there was were still items that needed to be addressed.

I thought there was ample discussion on not everybody feels the same as everybody else with respect to IOS 9. There is nothing to defend and nothing to bash. It is what it is. Maybe not the pinnacle of perfection for some, but fairly good for most.

As for the bolded, maybe or maybe not; depending on what it is.

I don't want just "good". I want what was advertised. They specifically said smoother scrolling, more responsive and smoother animations, so why do you always talk as if you don't know what we mean by performance. Apple spelled it out. It wasn't vague.

iOS 9 was supposed to be optimized and refined. I guess they meant to put "eventually" in their advertising.
 
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I7guy

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I don't want just "good". I want what was advertised. They specifically said smoother scrolling, more responsive and smoother animations, so why do you always talk as if you don't know what we mean by performance. Apple spelled it out. It wasn't vague.

iOS 9 was supposed to be optimized and refined. I guess they meant to put "eventually" in their advertising.
That's the issue, they should have said "eventually" and then all these posts would be meaningless.:rolleyes:
 

Act3

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No performance is an individual metric meaning different things to different people. Using cars as an example: "My car has better performance than yours". Okay what does that mean. 0 to 60?, skidpad, slalom, breaking, emergency stop, top speed?

But they marketed "everything" would be an improvement. Not sure why they even had to market any of that, it is not like they have been suffering in the fragmentation stat. People would have upgraded regardless.

"Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance, easier updates, better battery life, and tighter security. "So your device works that much better — for everything you do with it."
 

Radon87000

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In my opinion we have already reached peak iOS 9 performance.This is the best they can do with it.8.4.1 is still the benchmark for fluidity.It remains to be seen if iOS 10 will succeed where 9 so miserably failed
 

I7guy

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I don't want just "good". I want what was advertised. They specifically said smoother scrolling, more responsive and smoother animations, so why do you always talk as if you don't know what we mean by performance. Apple spelled it out. It wasn't vague.

iOS 9 was supposed to be optimized and refined. I guess they meant to put "eventually" in their advertising.
Smoother animation than what? This is vague. Smoother scrolling that what? IOS 9.2.1 may not be the pinnacle of perfection, but it is not as bad as made out to be. The problem with this thread is picking apart the wording on market materials; which is real life as we know never pans out.
 

asv56kx3088

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Smoother animation than what? This is vague. Smoother scrolling that what? IOS 9.2.1 may not be the pinnacle of perfection, but it is not as bad as made out to be. The problem with this thread is picking apart the wording on market materials; which is real life as we know never pans out.
The issue is they had promised smoother scrolling, yet they failed to deliver it. It is not about what it was meant for.
 

dk001

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Smoother animation than what? This is vague. Smoother scrolling that what? IOS 9.2.1 may not be the pinnacle of perfection, but it is not as bad as made out to be. The problem with this thread is picking apart the wording on market materials; which is real life as we know never pans out.

Give it a rest :rolleyes:
Unless otherwise noted, the implied intent (especially in advertising) is in comparison to what currently is, or exists.
 
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C DM

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I don't want just "good". I want what was advertised. They specifically said smoother scrolling, more responsive and smoother animations, so why do you always talk as if you don't know what we mean by performance. Apple spelled it out. It wasn't vague.

iOS 9 was supposed to be optimized and refined. I guess they meant to put "eventually" in their advertising.

But they marketed "everything" would be an improvement. Not sure why they even had to market any of that, it is not like they have been suffering in the fragmentation stat. People would have upgraded regardless.

"Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance, easier updates, better battery life, and tighter security. "So your device works that much better — for everything you do with it."

The issue is they had promised smoother scrolling, yet they failed to deliver it. It is not about what it was meant for.

Give it a rest :rolleyes:
Unless otherwise noted, the implied intent (especially in advertising) is in comparison to what currently is, or exists.
This thing about getting hung up on marketing is almost silly. How often does a product actually match the marketing? Why isn't everyone going after McDonalds because their burgers look almost nothing like they do in commercials?

If you have UI issues and you aren't happy about them, that can certainly be understandable. But when it all gets needlessly stretched out and exaggerated into it all being some sort of disaster and how it's horrible and upsetting that the marketing hype doesn't quite match the reality, that's not really useful.
 

asv56kx3088

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This thing about getting hung up on marketing is almost silly. How often does a product actually match the marketing? Why isn't everyone going after McDonalds because their burgers look almost nothing like they do in commercials?

If you have UI issues and you aren't happy about them, that can certainly be understandable. But when it all gets needlessly stretched out and exaggerated into it all being some sort of disaster and how it's horrible and upsetting that the marketing hype doesn't quite match the reality, that's not really useful.
Dude, get an iPhone 6 Plus on 9.2.1 and compare it with 8.4.1, you'll understand what I'm talking about. In no way it's smoother than 8.4.1, the problem is that Apple failed to deliver what they promised for iOS 9, including faster app opening, etc. At this stage it is ridiculous to say 9.2.1 has provided a better performance.
 
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C DM

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Dude, get an iPhone 6 Plus on 9.2.1 and compare it with 8.4.1, you'll understand what I'm talking about. In no way it's smoother than 8.4.1, the problem is that Apple failed to deliver what they promised for iOS 9, including faster app opening, etc. At this stage it is ridiculous to say 9.2.1 has provided a better performance.
Was that in response to something I mentioned, since I didn't mention anything about one version being better or worse than the one.
 

trifid

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Was that in response to something I mentioned, since I didn't mention anything about one version being better or worse than the one.

At this point it's doubtful we'll ever agree on this but I'm curious, what iOS device do you use?
 

dk001

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This thing about getting hung up on marketing is almost silly. How often does a product actually match the marketing? Why isn't everyone going after McDonalds because their burgers look almost nothing like they do in commercials?

If you have UI issues and you aren't happy about them, that can certainly be understandable. But when it all gets needlessly stretched out and exaggerated into it all being some sort of disaster and how it's horrible and upsetting that the marketing hype doesn't quite match the reality, that's not really useful.

I agree and disagree. Ignoring all this since Sept 2015, going back to the keynote, listening to the upcoming functionality of iOS9, I'm left with "Awesome! My device will work faster, smoother, all round better. Sounds like they really did some work on iOS!". Then I find out it isn't. Feedback and Posts commence.
 

C DM

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I agree and disagree. Ignoring all this since Sept 2015, going back to the keynote, listening to the upcoming functionality of iOS9, I'm left with "Awesome! My device will work faster, smoother, all round better. Sounds like they really did some work on iOS!". Then I find out it isn't. Feedback and Posts commence.
Marketing works the way it always worked. Seems like the complaints are about things not working well, which is the case whether or not Apple said anything about it. Or are your saying most of these complaints wouldn't be there if Apple didn't mention anything in relation to it in their marketing? If so, that would mean things are actually working fine and people would be happy with them are just making themselves not happy on principle essentially simply trying to compare to the marketing.
 
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