Mobile OSs iOS and Jelly Bean (merged)

[matttye]

Don't like getting banned? Don't steal from Apple or anyone else.

Every company steals. It depends a lot on which one puts on the better show in court as to what happens as a result.

 

[matttye]

I find it hilarious that club android has to shout from the hilltops that android is running smooth.

Somehow I don't see Apple ever adding a "smoothness" feature...

You have a strange sense of humour. One of the major problems with Android for a lot of people being fixed is something to shout about.

 

[Yumunum]

Jelly Bean for me.

At least for my uses and preferences, Jelly Bean (and Android as a whole) has these nice qualities:

-faster, due to the fact that animations can be disabled
-offline voice dictation
-better way of handling notifications than iOS
-better Gmail solution
-third party apps can be set to perform actions by default, such as opening links, files, or even replace your homescreen. (compare this to iOS, where if you want something like a new browser, you'll still be stuck with Safari every time you click links and such)
-real multitasking
-bigger screens on Android devices, with high res displays
-you can change your user-agent to let you browse desktop sites
-better YouTube app
-better maps app(s). (Google Maps, integrated with Google Places, ect.)
-file system, for when you need it
-any files can be uploaded to websites (compare to iOS 6 where you can only upload pictures)
-better Gmail app/support
-widgets

 

[nuckinfutz]

Yawn?
Am I boring you? If I am, feel free not to read my post, thanks.
But maybe they could've redesigned the 5 1/2 year old interface that has stayed almost exactly the same since it's release.
Or maybe they could redo the multitasking to make it a much better experience than it is now.
Do you really believe iOS 6 is a major update? The "new" features it brought should've been in iOS 4 years ago.

Thanks for that permission sir

Change for the sake of change. I'm not so sure about that being a big deal. I would like to be able to change automatic flow of app orientation. That way your screen apps or folder could be organized in a pattern.

iOS 6 is a solid update but not a major one. It likely didn't really need a major update yet. Pretty much everything that needs to be there is now there. Performance on new hardware never suffered.

Stay tuned on the multi-tasking. Power Nap coming in OS X is like a precursor to "Moar stuffs in the background".

Next up should be a clever way of sending data across apps and that's really going to take a lot of work to keep it secure and flexible.

 

[Calidude]

Every company steals. It depends a lot on which one puts on the better show in court as to what happens as a result.

The current patent system has gotta go.

 

[Zaft]

I think people need to realize that apple focuses more on apps then anything else. This is why majority of apps run and look better on IOS then on android.

 

[nickchallis92]

well quite frankly having watched the Jellybean conference, i can't see how ios6 could ever compete.

android really is the best mobile OS in the world

 

[Calidude]

I think people need to realize that apple focuses more on apps then anything else. This is why majority of apps run and look better on IOS then on android.

This is exactly right and its why so many things on iOS are crippled. Rather than let you upload photos through Safari, they want you to download a Flickr app, which is why it took until iOS6 to add that functionality, and nothing more.

 

[matttye]

I think people need to realize that apple focuses more on apps then anything else. This is why majority of apps run and look better on IOS then on android.

Very true, but they're doing it wrong. Apps are great, but they need to be able to interact deeply with the OS. For example, why can't the gallery upload/share pics to any image service the user has installed, why only a select few?

Native functionality is usually better. I don't want to open Facebook to upload to Facebook, then Dropbox to upload to Dropbox, then Flickr to upload to Flickr. I want to open the gallery to upload to all three of those things.

I don't want to open Pages to attach a pages document, then gallery to attach a picture to a separate email, I just want to attach both from the email compose screen.

Native is better!

 

[nuckinfutz]

I don't want to open Pages to attach a pages document, then gallery to attach a picture to a separate email, I just want to attach both from the email compose screen.

Native is better!

Too complex.

Steve Jobs on the difficulty of a file system

in every user interface study we’ve ever done […], [we found] it’s pretty easy to learn how to use these things ‘til you hit the file system and then the learning curve goes vertical. So you ask yourself, why is the file system the face of the OS? Wouldn’t it be better if there was a better way to find stuff?

Now, e-mail, there’s always been a better way to find stuff. You don’t keep your e-mail on your file system, right? The app manages it. And that was the breakthrough, as an example, in iTunes. You don’t keep your music in the file system, that would be crazy. You keep it in this app that knows about music and knows how to find things in lots of different ways. Same with photos: we’ve got an app that knows all about photos. And these apps manage their own file storage. […]

And eventually, the file system management is just gonna be an app for pros and consumers aren’t gonna need to use it.

Steve had a lot of RDF but in this case he's 100% on target. The only people clamoring for uber file system management features are geeks and that's a niche compared to the masses that just want simplicity.

 

[Zaft]

Very true, but they're doing it wrong. Apps are great, but they need to be able to interact deeply with the OS. For example, why can't the gallery upload/share pics to any image service the user has installed, why only a select few?

Native functionality is usually better. I don't want to open Facebook to upload to Facebook, then Dropbox to upload to Dropbox, then Flickr to upload to Flickr. I want to open the gallery to upload to all three of those things.

I don't want to open Pages to attach a pages document, then gallery to attach a picture to a separate email, I just want to attach both from the email compose screen.

Native is better!

Most of what your mentioned is being implemented in ios6. As for the amount of services available, I think apple only puts what's popular and has a lot of users.

 

[Zaft]

This is exactly right and its why so many things on iOS are crippled. Rather than let you upload photos through Safari, they want you to download a Flickr app, which is why it took until iOS6 to add that functionality, and nothing more.

In IO6 you can now upload through safari

 

[Wrathwitch]

I would never allow Google now to collect my personal information.

LOL! Google already knows more than what you think they do about you. If you have ever done searches using google at home and don't wipe your cookies and cache every time you would be ASTOUNDED to see just how readily you give information.

Ever been surfing for something you are going to buy over the internet and just before you are about to do a transaction, you get this annoying pop up ad that for the most part you just close? Those ads are targeted to you based on your profile and browsing habits.

Things known by advertisers and companies based on cookies: credit rating, where you live, where you bank, where you work. Its amazing really...

 

[matttye]

Too complex.

Steve Jobs on the difficulty of a file system



Steve had a lot of RDF but in this case he's 100% on target. The only people clamoring for uber file system management features are geeks and that's a niche compared to the masses that just want simplicity.

I fail to see how a filesystem is more complex in this example.

Current scenario:-

- open pages, select document, email it.
- open numbers, select document, email it.
- open keynote, select document, email it.
- open gallery, select document, email it.

Filesystem scenario:-

- open email, tap attach, select documents you want to attach, email them.

Clearly the latter is a lot more simple bearing in mind you'll only have to set up one email.

Most of what your mentioned is being implemented in ios6. As for the amount of services available, I think apple only puts what's popular and has a lot of users.

None of what I mentioned is being implemented in iOS 6. I watched the keynote.

Flickr has millions of users. As does Dropbox, amongst others. And Facebook was the most popular social site in the world when they added Twitter integration. They're clearly not adding everything that's popular.

 

[DodgeV83]

I fail to see how a filesystem is more complex in this example.

Current scenario:-

- open pages, select document, email it.
- open numbers, select document, email it.
- open keynote, select document, email it.
- open gallery, select document, email it.

Filesystem scenario:-

- open email, tap attach, select documents you want to attach, email them.

Clearly the latter is a lot more simple bearing in mind you'll only have to set up one email.



None of what I mentioned is being implemented in iOS 6. I watched the keynote.

Flickr has millions of users. As does Dropbox, amongst others. And Facebook was the most popular social site in the world when they added Twitter integration. They're clearly not adding everything that's popular.

While I won't debate which one is better, or easier for new users (I don't have the data), I will say I've had an incredible time teaching and explaining simple things to new computer users, like how to attach photos to someone in an email, and make sure you save a file in a specific place so you can organize it all and find it again. For someone new to computers, the idea of a "file system" seems to be a lot to grasp in my experience.

I've actually had someone say, "I'm looking at the picture right now, why can't I just click a button and send it to someone?" and I had to explain that it wouldn't work, since they'd have to setup Outlook with their email information, since that was the default application for mail on her computer. After explaining how to set this all up, I can't imagine she could have done this on her own. Actually I'm sure she couldn't, because she's been waiting for months for someone to help her do it!
When I look at our technology through the eyes of the "normal person", it starts to make more sense why Apple does things the way they do.

 

[Meanee]

Don't like getting banned? Don't steal from Apple or anyone else.

Steal what exactly? The Unified Search, that's been part of Windows Vista since launch in 2006 (before iPhone)? Hey, let's get all of Windows banned too!

It seems that as of late, Apple's strategy is this

1 - Find any existing technology that's not been patented
2 - Patent the above technology
3 - Sue the pants off anyone using it
4 - Profit

For example, inductive charging. Palm Pre had it. Or powermat. Or electric toothbrushes. I am still unsure how the hell they got a patent for a technology that's been out there for a while.

Google does whole "Don't be evil" thing and doesn't patent Android features. Result: Apple steals notification system. I wonder if they are going to patent that and claim it as their own, proceeding to sue every Android manufacturer for using it. Seems like something Apple would do.

 

[taipan61]

It seems that as of late, Apple's strategy is this

1 - Find any existing technology that's not been patented
2 - Patent the above technology
3 - Sue the pants off anyone using it
4 - Profit

For example, inductive charging. Palm Pre had it. Or powermat. Or electric toothbrushes. I am still unsure how the hell they got a patent for a technology that's been out there for a while.

sorry to say that has been everyone's strategy for awhile now, hell some companies even patent ideas just in case someone actually comes up with the actual product (i worked for one of those companies)...
so come up with a product or an idea, publish is, get sued, then get bought out for big $$$$!
set for the rest of your life...

 

[matttye]

While I won't debate which one is better, or easier for new users (I don't have the data), I will say I've had an incredible time teaching and explaining simple things to new computer users, like how to attach photos to someone in an email, and make sure you save a file in a specific place so you can organize it all and find it again. For someone new to computers, the idea of a "file system" seems to be a lot to grasp in my experience.

I've actually had someone say, "I'm looking at the picture right now, why can't I just click a button and send it to someone?" and I had to explain that it wouldn't work, since they'd have to setup Outlook with their email information, since that was the default application for mail on her computer. After explaining how to set this all up, I can't imagine she could have done this on her own. Actually I'm sure she couldn't, because she's been waiting for months for someone to help her do it!
When I look at our technology through the eyes of the "normal person", it starts to make more sense why Apple does things the way they do.

I understand what you're saying, but the current way makes it a lot more difficult for people who do understand how to use a filesystem. There surely has to be a way to satisfy everyone.

I don't see why they can't embed an option deep in the settings menu.

 

[Exio]

I think people need to realize that apple focuses more on apps then anything else. This is why majority of apps run and look better on IOS then on android.

Quality control keeps the spam apps out of iOS but it also limits developers a lot.
And the reason apps look better in some cases on iOS is because developers only need to develop for 2 platforms where android there are multiple.

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sorry to say that has been everyone's strategy for awhile now, hell some companies even patent ideas just in case someone actually comes up with the actual product (i worked for one of those companies)...
so come up with a product or an idea, publish is, get sued, then get bought out for big $$$$!
set for the rest of your life...

This is not everyone's strategy; This scheme is dedicated to "Patent Trolls" who stifle innovation. It's just embarrassing to be an established company that so called "innovates" and participate in this dark business practice.

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Too complex.

Steve Jobs on the difficulty of a file system



Steve had a lot of RDF but in this case he's 100% on target. The only people clamoring for uber file system management features are geeks and that's a niche compared to the masses that just want simplicity.

How could it hurt anything besides Steve's ego to add an extra feature, if people will use it. It wouldn't force you to use it, it would just make it easier for those who do. Why must Apple only have one option for everything, more options the better.

 

[Jagardn]

There surely has to be a way to satisfy everyone. .

Have you been reading the threads on this forum. It should be clear that you can't satisfy everyone.

 

[matttye]

Have you been reading the threads on this forum. It should be clear that you can't satisfy everyone.

I'm talking about this specific shortcoming, not in general.

 

[Meanee]

While I won't debate which one is better, or easier for new users (I don't have the data), I will say I've had an incredible time teaching and explaining simple things to new computer users, like how to attach photos to someone in an email, and make sure you save a file in a specific place so you can organize it all and find it again. For someone new to computers, the idea of a "file system" seems to be a lot to grasp in my experience.

I've actually had someone say, "I'm looking at the picture right now, why can't I just click a button and send it to someone?" and I had to explain that it wouldn't work, since they'd have to setup Outlook with their email information, since that was the default application for mail on her computer. After explaining how to set this all up, I can't imagine she could have done this on her own. Actually I'm sure she couldn't, because she's been waiting for months for someone to help her do it!
When I look at our technology through the eyes of the "normal person", it starts to make more sense why Apple does things the way they do.

I had to explain it to accountants, salespeople, etc. Go to your Documents folder (pictures, videos, etc), look for the file that you need. Drag it into new email message, send.

Your example might as well start with "Bring computer home, remove it from the box...."

 

[Zaft]

I fail to see how a filesystem is more complex in this example.

Current scenario:-

- open pages, select document, email it.
- open numbers, select document, email it.
- open keynote, select document, email it.
- open gallery, select document, email it.

Filesystem scenario:-

- open email, tap attach, select documents you want to attach, email them.

Clearly the latter is a lot more simple bearing in mind you'll only have to set up one email.



None of what I mentioned is being implemented in iOS 6. I watched the keynote.

Flickr has millions of users. As does Dropbox, amongst others. And Facebook was the most popular social site in the world when they added Twitter integration. They're clearly not adding everything that's popular.

You mentioned that you didnt want to go into facebook to upoad a photo. you can now upload from galary in IOS6. You can also attach right from the email. Adding photos from safari is possible now in IO6. So some of what you mentioned wil be put in.

 

[LSUtigers03]

I find it hilarious that club android has to shout from the hilltops that android is running smooth.

Somehow I don't see Apple ever adding a "smoothness" feature...

Kind of similar to how club koolaid is beside themselves for iOS6 which is finally adding features that Android has had for years.

"You mean I can finally reject a call and have the phone send a text to the person? You've gotta be ******** kidding me. How does Apple do it?"

 

[DodgeV83]

I had to explain it to accountants, salespeople, etc. Go to your Documents folder (pictures, videos, etc), look for the file that you need. Drag it into new email message, send.

Your example might as well start with "Bring computer home, remove it from the box...."

I actually like to start with a detailed explanation of how RAM works, the difference between RAM and the OS paging file, and how the Registry can be your friend.

I considered showing her how to attach files via command-line first, but thought that would be mean