Mobile OSs iOS and Jelly Bean (merged)

[Meanee]

I actually like to start with a detailed explanation of how RAM works, the difference between RAM and the OS paging file, and how the Registry can be your friend.

I considered showing her how to attach files via command-line first, but thought that would be mean

What, all that without a history lesson of x86 architecture for the end user? How could you! At least, have your users tell you the difference between IRQ and DMA.

 

[DodgeV83]

What, all that without a history lesson of x86 architecture for the end user? How could you! At least, have your users tell you the difference between IRQ and DMA.

 

[matttye]

You mentioned that you didnt want to go into facebook to upoad a photo. you can now upload from galary in IOS6. You can also attach right from the email. Adding photos from safari is possible now in IO6. So some of what you mentioned wil be put in.

It wasn't so much Facebook specifically that I was hoping for, but the ability to upload to any services that support the APIs like I can on Android.

Likewise with file attachments; I mentioned pictures as an example, but I want to be able to attach any type of file to an e-mail.

 

[Technarchy]

We installed Jelly Bean on my friend's GNEX yesterday. Nice little update. Some little things were wonky because the ROM was bootleg, not official, but overall its got some nifty additions.

GS3 Touchwiz is still smoother than project peanut butter or whatever it's called.

I still prefer iOS

 

[kevinof]

Touchwiz is mainly a launcher that sits on top of the OS (couple of additional apps and changes to others) so I doubt its going to be smoother than jelly bean. I know there are some additional speedups done by Samsung in terms of memory management and graphics i/o but my experience is that Touchwiz is rarely smoother or faster than stock.

Then again, I could be wrong.

We installed Jelly Bean on my friend's GNEX yesterday. Nice little update. Some little things were wonky because the ROM was bootleg, not official, but overall its got some nifty additions.

GS3 Touchwiz is still smoother than project peanut butter or whatever it's called.

I still prefer iOS

 

[monkeylui]

ICS runs pretty great on my galaxy s3. But not as great as I've had is run on my iPhone 4s. But it's like 1/2 notch down. Jelly Bean will be great on this hen once it's released. It's the only thing I worry about is the length of time to update. But being that galaxy s3 is a "flagship" phone, I'm sure it'll come sooner rather than later.

 

[Calidude]

I am flabbergasted at how close Jelly Bean and iOS6 are on this Macrumors poll.

Apple is really screwing up this year. iPhone 5/6 had better be one hell of a phone or people are going to move in droves to the quad-core Android phones coming this Fall.

 

[Technarchy]

Touchwiz is mainly a launcher that sits on top of the OS (couple of additional apps and changes to others) so I doubt its going to be smoother than jelly bean. I know there are some additional speedups done by Samsung in terms of memory management and graphics i/o but my experience is that Touchwiz is rarely smoother or faster than stock.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Touchwiz is not just a launcher. Samsung's changes go way down to the kernel with extensive recoding to how the UI Instructions are handled and rendered compared to stock android.

Touchwiz 2.0 was moving along at 60fps on the GS2 when stock gingerbread, honeycomb and ICS were capped at 30fps.

 

[Zaft]

I am flabbergasted at how close Jelly Bean and iOS6 are on this Macrumors poll.

Apple is really screwing up this year. iPhone 5/6 had better be one hell of a phone or people are going to move in droves to the quad-core Android phones coming this Fall.

This sounds awfully familiar.. oh thats becuase i heard that same thing the past two years..

Apple will do fine and so will Android

 

[maflynn]

Apple is really screwing up this year.

Please provide some details to what apple is screwing up. the iPhone 4S is wildly popular, the iPad continues to sell in high volume. Their retina MBP is selling to such an extent that the lead time continues to be pegged out to a month.

Just because iOS or the iPhone is not your cup of tea means you have to continually knock it or users who chose to own the iPhone.

 

[onthecouchagain]

As much converted to ICS as I am, and as much as the boat is sailing for me and the iPhone, my siding with the "Android-fans" on this forum ends there.

I still think the next-gen iPhone will sell like hot cakes, and be wildly successful. There was a recent report (from yesterday) that iOS gained 3x the marketshare than Android recently, or something to that effect. This is not surprising.

It's becoming very clear that iOS is meant for a very specific target audience. Some of us happily fall into that target, and others have outgrown it and will migrate. Nothing wrong with either. It's everyone's own losses/gains.

EDIT: It is pretty wild though that this poll is this close. But again, this speaks very little of iOS/iPhone's reception out in the real world.

 

[Calidude]

Please provide some details to what apple is screwing up. the iPhone 4S is wildly popular, the iPad continues to sell in high volume. Their retina MBP is selling to such an extent that the lead time continues to be pegged out to a month.

Just because iOS or the iPhone is not your cup of tea means you have to continually knock it or users who chose to own the iPhone.

Have you looked at this results of this poll? This would never be that close if Apple were doing a good job this year in regards to iPhone.

The iPhone user base is definitely starting to crack this year. The leaked iPhone design and iOS6, if not radically different when the holidays come around, will bring about quite the exodus, and you as a moderator will be able to witness it better than most people can.

That being said, iPhone will always sell well, but you'll see a notable dip in the userbase. All of the signs are there. You just don't want to see them.

 

[OllyW]

Have you looked at this results of this poll? This would never be that close if Apple were doing a good job this year in regards to iPhone.

That poll has only got 261 votes.

This survey takes in 30,000 mobile subscribers and contradicts what you are saying with Apple's iOS growth double Android's over the last three months.

 

[mbell1975]

That poll has only got 261 votes.

This survey takes in 30,000 mobile subscribers and contradicts what you are saying with Apple's iOS growth double Android's over the last three months.

Not bad. Google still owns a huge market share lead, Samsung still leads in mobile device sales and that growth number is going to swing way back towards Android once the S3 sales numbers start coming in. Be interesting to see what happens when the new iPhone comes out.

 

[Calidude]

That poll has only got 261 votes.

This survey takes in 30,000 mobile subscribers and contradicts what you are saying with Apple's iOS growth double Android's over the last three months.

RIM is clearly being bled out by the iPhone, and that was the past 3 months. People who come from a Blackberry aren't going to go with Android for the most part. They're going to go with the iPhone, unless Android becomes enterprise-hardened.

I'm not talking about users that are new to iPhone. I'm talking about current iPhone users. If the iPhone 5 looks the way it does in those leaked pictures come October with no big software features specifically for it other than the obvious NFC and LTE data management, you'll see iOS begin to lose its current user base to Android and Windows Phone.

 

[maflynn]

and you as a moderator will be able to witness it better than most people can.

And that's my point, as moderator, I see mostly a positive threads on the iPhone. It continues to be a rousing success for apple.

There are complaints about iOS6, but because its not out yet, I'm not really looking into it nor am I concerned.

 

[nuckinfutz]

I'm not talking about users that are new to iPhone. I'm talking about current iPhone users. If the iPhone 5 looks the way it does in those leaked pictures come October with no big software features specifically for it other than the obvious NFC and LTE data management, you'll see iOS begin to lose its current user base to Android and Windows Phone.

No. You're going to see Microsoft gain on Android. Android does not have a platform like Windows or Mac to buttress up against. If Anything a resurgent Microsoft is the worst thing that can happen for Android and to a lesser extent Apple.

 

[mbell1975]

No. You're going to see Microsoft gain on Android. Android does not have a platform like Windows or Mac to buttress up against. If Anything a resurgent Microsoft is the worst thing that can happen for Android and to a lesser extent Apple.

After the disaster that was brand new Windows 7 phones not getting the Windows 8 update, you can forget that dream. They weren't selling great to begin with and would have to sell oh I dunno, 700 billion phones to get anywhere close to Android's market share

 

[varunsanthanam]

iOS6 features = Google Android 1.0 features

iOS5 notification center = Google Android 2.0 notifiction center

iOS6 is a step up for developers, but feature wise for the consumer, it's a bunch of copying from Android.

As for smoothness of the OS, GB 2.3.5 was smooth and ICS just gave Android a turbo boost on all mobile devices running that OS. My S3 in stock form is faster than a jailbroken and tweaked to the hilt iPhone 4s in every way.

I, and many on here, use both Android and iOS on a daily basis. We have the experience to know which is faster. The iFaithful that spout baseless crap from only using an iPhone, have very little credibility.

I'm sorry, but you are saying is just factually incorrect. I do not like iOS, and I think that Android is the superior OS, at least in their current forms, but you have to give Apple credit for what they have done correctly. Sure, there are a couple of Android handsets which are smoother than their counterparts, but, for the most part, Android is a fragmented mess of ****** performance thanks to OEM skins and carrier bloatware. Say what you will, but iOS does not and will never suffer from those issues. I know you can root your phone and "clean it up" to enhance its UI performance, but is that something you should have to do? iOS, for all its flaws, simply just works. Right out of the box, they way you would expect it to. And this is coming from a Galaxy Nexus user. Get your information straight, and stop posting inflammatory remarks with sarcastic endings.

 

[mbell1975]

I'm sorry, but you are saying is just factually incorrect. I do not like iOS, and I think that Android is the superior OS, at least in their current forms, but you have to give Apple credit for what they have done correctly. Sure, there are a couple of Android handsets which are smoother than their counterparts, but, for the most part, Android is a fragmented mess of ****** performance thanks to OEM skins and carrier bloatware. Say what you will, but iOS does not and will never suffer from those issues. I know you can root your phone and "clean it up" to enhance its UI performance, but is that something you should have to do? iOS, for all its flaws, simply just works. Right out of the box, they way you would expect it to. And this is coming from a Galaxy Nexus user. Get your information straight, and stop posting inflammatory remarks with sarcastic endings.

he's right though

 

[onthecouchagain]

Verge review of JB is up: http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/3/3134347/android-4-1-jelly-bean-review

I am insanely excited to get this update.

"Reasonable people can — and should — disagree about whether Jelly Bean bests Apple's iOS or Microsoft's Windows Phone. In truth, I don't think we've seen everything that either of those competing operating systems will bring to the table by the end of the year. However, compared to what they bring to the table today, I think Jelly Bean is a stronger offering, especially if you're a participant in the Google ecosystem."

 

[Frankied22]

Verge review of JB is up: http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/3/3134347/android-4-1-jelly-bean-review

I am insanely excited to get this update.

"Reasonable people can — and should — disagree about whether Jelly Bean bests Apple's iOS or Microsoft's Windows Phone. In truth, I don't think we've seen everything that either of those competing operating systems will bring to the table by the end of the year. However, compared to what they bring to the table today, I think Jelly Bean is a stronger offering, especially if you're a participant in the Google ecosystem."

I'm running it on my Nexus right now and I'm loving it. Project Butter is no joke. It makes the phone super fast. Also, Google Now spanks Siri.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I'm running it on my Nexus right now and I'm loving it. Project Butter is no joke. It makes the phone super fast. Also, Google Now spanks Siri.

Are you using the stock keyboard? How is predictive text?

I email a lot and the improved keyboard is the thing I'm most looking forward to. So excited Google will finally be adding shortcuts too -- something I still long for from my BB days (and one of the rare features of the iOS keyboard I was envious of).

 

[mlmwalt]

RIM is clearly being bled out by the iPhone, and that was the past 3 months. People who come from a Blackberry aren't going to go with Android for the most part. They're going to go with the iPhone, unless Android becomes enterprise-hardened.

I'm not talking about users that are new to iPhone. I'm talking about current iPhone users. If the iPhone 5 looks the way it does in those leaked pictures come October with no big software features specifically for it other than the obvious NFC and LTE data management, you'll see iOS begin to lose its current user base to Android and Windows Phone.

My BB Storm2 had the best keyboard with the 2 letters per key, predictive text and customizable dictonary. It was next level even compared to the current stuff. I graduated to the 4s but it's not in the same league.

 

[Grolubao]

I'm sorry, but you are saying is just factually incorrect. I do not like iOS, and I think that Android is the superior OS, at least in their current forms, but you have to give Apple credit for what they have done correctly. Sure, there are a couple of Android handsets which are smoother than their counterparts, but, for the most part, Android is a fragmented mess of ****** performance thanks to OEM skins and carrier bloatware. Say what you will, but iOS does not and will never suffer from those issues. I know you can root your phone and "clean it up" to enhance its UI performance, but is that something you should have to do? iOS, for all its flaws, simply just works. Right out of the box, they way you would expect it to. And this is coming from a Galaxy Nexus user. Get your information straight, and stop posting inflammatory remarks with sarcastic endings.

Is it normal that I always need to wait for the kindness of the hackers so I can jailbreak my iPhone and install SbSettings to have toggles on the lock screen? At least rooting is more available than Jailbreaking...