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AlaskaMoose

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The iPad would have been more interesting to me if the iOS apps (Safari, Pages, Contacts, etc) had menus similar to the apps in OS-X. These apps in iOS lack the import and export features found in OS-X. I miss them because I don't need to save anything to iCloud, nor do I need to transfer contacts and bookmarks via sync. I just purchased an iPad 10.2" 9th generation (shipped to me last week) , and a Logitech Combo Touch keyboard. I don't find it interesting enough to use. It will probably take it with me during my long drives taking photos of wildlife along the Alaska's roads to read some photography-related eBooks, but that's about it. I have a MacBook and now an iPad, and my wife uses a MacBook Air nearly 100% of the time while her iPad collects dust near her desk.

In my view if Apple decided to have the same OS-X apps installed in the iPad, and iPhone, the least what should have been done was to design menus that are easier to understand, like they are on my MacBook.
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Buy the way, I replaced the Apple US-C cable (between the charger and MacBook) with a Chinese-made USB-C cable that has a right angle plug. The insulation near the plug of the Apple cable deteriorates because of all the flexing whenever the MacBook is moved around, but not this cable. The angled plug ic connected to the MacBook, and the other end into the charger.
 
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sparksd

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Buy the way, I replaced the Apple US-C cable (between the charger and MacBook) with a Chinese-made USB-C cable that has a right angle plug. The insulation near the plug of the Apple cable deteriorates because of all the flexing whenever the MacBook is moved around, but not this cable. The angled plug ic connected to the MacBook, and the other end into the charger.
I put right-angle adapters on all of my USB-C cables so when the tablet is standing in its case or is in a stand, the cable runs down the side. It also takes care of the dangling hub problem. I can just remove the adapter for times when I want a straight connection.
 
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dockgaze

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I absolutely love some of the thread titles on here, makes me laugh every time I see it. Almost on par with the other excellent one, "We need to file a class action lawsuit for iPadOS"
I know, I know . . . . hilarious titles indeed!!! Regarding the current thread, I’m particularly amused at the riff on the frequent term ‘use case’ - - - here it is masterfully morphed into ‘use-less’. So rich I can hardly stand it ?
 
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Flabasha

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I doubt competition will work out the way you envision.

For one, I don’t think better desktop functionality is going to appeal to that many people, and I don’t think Apple is going to feel threatened by cheap android tablets. The value proposition is still unchanged - better app selection, better integration with the Apple ecosystem, longer software support.

Competition isn’t anywhere as relevant as meaningful competition. This ain’t it.
I own 2 iPad Pros. I decided to upgrade my 2018… to a 15” Samsung Galaxy Tab Ultra. Between the Flexible OS and the awesome hardware (15” OLED! Wacom pen with hover capability, infinitely expandable storage, etc.), I’m basically in love. The only thing I miss is Airdrop from my MacBook Pro, but there are simple options to get similar functionality.

Bottom line for me, the M1 MacBook Pro is the best laptop I’ve ever owned, and the Samsung is the best tablet I’ve owned, and it’s not close. Funny thing is, Apple probably doesn’t mind… because I spent $5K on the MBP, and $1.2K on the tablet. And that right there explains why they intentionally gimp the iPad. While it made me frustrated for a long time, I understand the fiscal decision-making. And I’ll just work around it ;)
 

KadMac

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I own 2 iPad Pros. I decided to upgrade my 2018… to a 15” Samsung Galaxy Tab Ultra. Between the Flexible OS and the awesome hardware (15” OLED! Wacom pen with hover capability, infinitely expandable storage, etc.), I’m basically in love. The only thing I miss is Airdrop from my MacBook Pro, but there are simple options to get similar functionality.

Bottom line for me, the M1 MacBook Pro is the best laptop I’ve ever owned, and the Samsung is the best tablet I’ve owned, and it’s not close. Funny thing is, Apple probably doesn’t mind… because I spent $5K on the MBP, and $1.2K on the tablet. And that right there explains why they intentionally gimp the iPad. While it made me frustrated for a long time, I understand the fiscal decision-making. And I’ll just work around it ;)

I am considering doing something of the same but the ultra seems a little too big for me. I am waiting until WWDC to see what Apple does for iPad OS 16 but if it is a let down like last year, I might sell my IPP 2018 and just go with a Samsung Tab S8 or S8 Plus. The DEX feature is really nice.
 
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Mat.Rynio

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Regarding to the title. I decided to sell my iPad Air 4 after 5 months of use since for me it was just another (but bigger) iPhone as I was using it only for web browsing and media consumption. But as I already have MacBook, iPhone and 65" TV with YouTube app, Apple TV app, airplay, owning an iPad is just useless only for media consumption. Its like wasting 699$. iPad for artist or people using it for making money is different story. But these are my thoughts:
What about Apple making an iPad BUT without useless rear camera? Without Apple Pencil support? Without keyboard connector? Basic chip and modern design with slim bezels? An iPad for media consumption only (like probably 80% of iPad owners use it) and with basic iPad 329$ price? I would be the first to buy it.
 
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Bethanie21

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Regarding to the title. I decided to sell my iPad Air 4 after 5 months of use since for me it was just another (but bigger) iPhone as I was using it only for web browsing and media consumption. But as I already have MacBook, iPhone and 65" TV with YouTube app, Apple TV app, airplay, owning an iPad is just useless only for media consumption. Its like wasting 699$. iPad for artist or people using it for making money is different story. But these are my thoughts:
What about Apple making an iPad BUT without useless rear camera? Without Apple Pencil support? Without keyboard connector? Basic chip and modern design with slim bezels? An iPad for media consumption only (like probably 80% of iPad owners use it) and with basic iPad 329$ price? I would be the first to buy it.

Weird because I’d much rather consume content on my iPad than my iPhone. My iPad gets far more use! iPhone only really gets fully used when I‘m out and about. I suppose YMMV.
 

BigMcGuire

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Weird because I’d much rather consume content on my iPad than my iPhone. My iPad gets far more use! iPhone only really gets fully used when I‘m out and about. I suppose YMMV.

This. I have been without an iPad now for 2 months now.

Yesterday, I just picked up an open box 128GB iPad Pro 11 at BestBuy. I could not read for more than a few hours on my iPhone without my eyes hurting. While my MBP 16' screen is beautiful and I'll use it a lot, it's not as comfortable to curl up with and read a book for 5-6 hours straight.

After spending a day with the iPad yesterday, using it as a consumption device only (reading articles, news, and a book I'm going through) - WOW... reading on that is SO MUCH MORE PLEASANT. I slapped an iCarez Matte screen protector on it and I'm golden for a long time. After I got everything set up, it's only using 38GB out of the 128GB.

Yeah, it's a little expensive but it sure does its job very well. I picked it up this morning to do some reading and I wanted to read more due to the ease of reading on it. That alone makes it an investment for me imo. I look forward to getting my reading back to normal.

To each their own - but this works really really well for me and I've tried both sides of the fence. I'm glad to be back. I'd rather have a toolbox full of tools than trying to use something that doesn't quite work right.
 

Killbynumbers

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May 29, 2019
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I have to admit that I rarely use my 12.9" Pro. I have the Apple keyboard and pencil. I've never used the pencil and really have no use for it. It's been about two months since I've last used the iPad. Took it out to type a few things on Reddit and it's been sitting under the coffee table on the floor ever since.
 
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Mat.Rynio

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Weird because I’d much rather consume content on my iPad than my iPhone. My iPad gets far more use! iPhone only really gets fully used when I‘m out and about. I suppose YMMV.
Right, when it comes to me I use my MacBook Pro 16 when I'm on the couch, desk etc. For social media it is still much more convenient to use phone since instagram doesn't have iPad app. My conclusion was that it would be really nice if Apple made cheap iPad with modern design but without pencil support, rear camera etc. since the only thing u need is bigger screen and internet connection if the only thing you use your iPad for is media consumption like reading and watching content.
 

ackmondual

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Dec 23, 2014
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What about Apple making an iPad BUT without useless rear camera? Without Apple Pencil support? Without keyboard connector? Basic chip and modern design with slim bezels? An iPad for media consumption only (like probably 80% of iPad owners use it) and with basic iPad 329$ price? I would be the first to buy it.
Call me Ishmael, but closest thing we have is the 9th gen iPad. Only thing it lacks is the bezels there could stand to be slimmer for what you're looking. AFA everything else goes, they'll continue throwing those in for a few reasons:
1) Others want these features. AFAIK, people still use their iPads a lot to capture pics and vids
I don't use my ipad for video and photso. Not even emergencies since I almost always have my phone on me (I still haven't figured out how to transfer multimedia off my iPad to my Windows PC) :|
2) Removing them removes value from the device, which means Apple won't be able to charge as much
The usual... components and labor cost 'x' to put in, but they can charge 5x to 10x to consumers, so they're leaving $$ on the table by removing those.

Weird because I’d much rather consume content on my iPad than my iPhone. My iPad gets far more use! iPhone only really gets fully used when I‘m out and about. I suppose YMMV.
For me, my phone is a Pixel 4A. It's a relatively small screen (displays is only 2.7" wide). iPhone equivalent is the SE. It's a good phone overall, but the screen is too small for certain games and apps. For web browsing, it works for shorter usage, but for extended web browsing, I'm going to get a bigger phone for sure (probably the Pixel 6/Pixel 6 Pro if it goes on sale, or the upcoming 6A). At home, I prefer to just web browse on my PC. Got a nice 27" monitor for that. On the road for more committed trips, I'll have my Chromebook on me (nice 14" screen, and it's excellent for web browsing)!
 

martint235

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I’ve got the M1 12.9 Pro and love it.. I’ve got a iMac upstairs but have no use for an apple laptop. As you say use cases vary
 
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Mat.Rynio

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Call me Ishmael, but closest thing we have is the 9th gen iPad. Only thing it lacks is the bezels there could stand to be slimmer for what you're looking. AFA everything else goes, they'll continue throwing those in for a few reasons:
1) Others want these features. AFAIK, people still use their iPads a lot to capture pics and vids
I don't use my ipad for video and photso. Not even emergencies since I almost always have my phone on me (I still haven't figured out how to transfer multimedia off my iPad to my Windows PC) :|
2) Removing them removes value from the device, which means Apple won't be able to charge as much
The usual... components and labor cost 'x' to put in, but they can charge 5x to 10x to consumers, so they're leaving $$ on the table by removing those.


For me, my phone is a Pixel 4A. It's a relatively small screen (displays is only 2.7" wide). iPhone equivalent is the SE. It's a good phone overall, but the screen is too small for certain games and apps. For web browsing, it works for shorter usage, but for extended web browsing, I'm going to get a bigger phone for sure (probably the Pixel 6/Pixel 6 Pro if it goes on sale, or the upcoming 6A). At home, I prefer to just web browse on my PC. Got a nice 27" monitor for that. On the road for more committed trips, I'll have my Chromebook on me (nice 14" screen, and it's excellent for web browsing)!

Would you use basic iPad 9th for taking photos? And I don't think that basic iPad will get redesign in the nearest future. Nevermind. As I said earlier I don't need iPad anymore that's why I decided to sell it. I was thinking that would be nice if Apple decided to keep 3 iPad lines in the next years ie. Pro, Air and the basic looking like Air but without camera etc. things you don't use if iPad is your media consumption device and keep it as cheap as possible.
 

ackmondual

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Dec 23, 2014
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Would you use basic iPad 9th for taking photos? And I don't think that basic iPad will get redesign in the nearest future. Nevermind. As I said earlier I don't need iPad anymore that's why I decided to sell it. I was thinking that would be nice if Apple decided to keep 3 iPad lines in the next years ie. Pro, Air and the basic looking like Air but without camera etc. things you don't use if iPad is your media consumption device and keep it as cheap as possible.
*I* don't. As mentioned, I usually have my phone on me. However, it seems quite a few others do. They already knocked the iPad down to $330. Doubt they'd want to pass up more profits by removing the camera and stuff when it's already implemented.
 
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Dealmans

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This. I have been without an iPad now for 2 months now.

Yesterday, I just picked up an open box 128GB iPad Pro 11 at BestBuy. I could not read for more than a few hours on my iPhone without my eyes hurting. While my MBP 16' screen is beautiful and I'll use it a lot, it's not as comfortable to curl up with and read a book for 5-6 hours straight.

After spending a day with the iPad yesterday, using it as a consumption device only (reading articles, news, and a book I'm going through) - WOW... reading on that is SO MUCH MORE PLEASANT. I slapped an iCarez Matte screen protector on it and I'm golden for a long time. After I got everything set up, it's only using 38GB out of the 128GB.

Yeah, it's a little expensive but it sure does its job very well. I picked it up this morning to do some reading and I wanted to read more due to the ease of reading on it. That alone makes it an investment for me imo. I look forward to getting my reading back to normal.

To each their own - but this works really really well for me and I've tried both sides of the fence. I'm glad to be back. I'd rather have a toolbox full of tools than trying to use something that doesn't quite work right.
Can’t imagine reading for 5-6 hours on a iPad screen would be good for your eyes
 

BigMcGuire

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Can’t imagine reading for 5-6 hours on a iPad screen would be good for your eyes
Brightness all the way down, matte screen protector, plenty of ambient lighting, and grey text on almost black background - it's almost e-ink like :D - My eyes can handle it - been doing it since 2017ish.

But I am getting older and I can't read as much as I used to. :(
 

Dealmans

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Brightness all the way down, matte screen protector, plenty of ambient lighting, and grey text on almost black background - it's almost e-ink like :D - My eyes can handle it - been doing it since 2017ish.

But I am getting older and I can't read as much as I used to. :(
Have never use a screen protector on a iPad, ever since iPad 1, pretty sure a matte one would ruin the experience.
 

Dealmans

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Has never bothered me in the least - it's my preferred reading medium for years (mainly 12.9 iPP but also Mini 6). Usually read 1+ books/week on Kindle app. I'm closing in on 70 and don't need glasses for reading.
Big print lol
 

AppliedMicro

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The 2018 iPad Pro with A12X pushed the iPad Pros to the $1K mark.

I’ve been watching the evolution of Apple chipsets. M1 may be revolutionary for Macs but for iPads, the M1 was simply natural progression from the A12X/Z (an A14X/Z if you will).

As for the Pencil, I seem to recall some Wacom stylus setups costing more than the iPad Pro.
Wherever you draw the line with the SoC, their last couple of generations of high-end iPad SoCs seem ridiculously overpowered in view of the operating system limitations.

Similarly, the 300$ Magic Keyboard seems overpriced.
 

BigMcGuire

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Have never use a screen protector on a iPad, ever since iPad 1, pretty sure a matte one would ruin the experience.
Whatever works for you - the icarez ones have almost no distortion - whereas a lot of them have that rainbow glittery look to them that really distort the image. I mostly used the matte screen protector in the past for a paperlike writing experience but now I mostly use it for reduced glare when reading at night.

But it does detract from the sharpness of the screen a bit. (Not as easy to see at night with a black background).
 
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