iPad Pro iPad Pro's bending issue (merged)

[aevan]

That same logic was used by many members here at MR for the bendgate. "It didn't happen to me, so it must not be a problem" mentality. Regardless of how many people enjoy a perfect iPad, there are those dealing with it bending fairly easily.

Sure, but how many of people complaining are actual owners of the latest iPads? Most of the negative posts come from people who don’t own them.

And outside a few people here with real issues, and a few bend-testing YouTubers who get clicks from videos that have bombastic titles, I don’t see that many people that actually do have problems. Unlike the MBP keyboard, I hear no mention of this from respectable tech bloggers, most owners here are happy.... so, not a major issue, it seems.

 

[maflynn]

And outside a few people here with real issues, and a few bend-testing YouTubers who get clicks from videos that have bombastic titles, I don’t see that many people that actually do have problems.

It sounds like you're trying to to marginalize the problem - Sadly we've been down this road before with Apple and it seems nearly every time we have people defending apple by saying its not a huge deal, its just a small vocal minority having issues, etc. It was big enough to garner coverage by MacWorld, Verge, and Macrumors (who aggregated the Verge story). Apple in turn was then compelled to address it as well.

I'll not beat a dead horse, but state, that its a big enough problem that its effecting folks where the 2018 model didn't Again stating the obvious, earlier iPads had no such problem, but the new thinner models are, regardless of the volume its happened to some when it never did before. It has provoked a lot of discussion, primarily because apple charges so much and promotes itself as a premium brand. people who buy a premium product and when they don't receive the premium experience they'll sound off.

Limit me finish and say I have no idea if its 2%, or 20% but the fact remains its happening means apple should address it. They did with bendgate (Silently adding shims/supports) and in all honesty I hope by the fall with maybe a spec update that will happen. Maybe your right and the volume is low and because of that low volume they'll not do anything.


Don't get me wrong, I want and planning on getting a new iPad this fall which is why I'm hoping that they strengthen the iPad. I need/want USB support and better stylus support. I'm not down on apple but I do hope this problem is rectified.

 

[aevan]

It sounds like you're trying to to marginalize the problem - Sadly we've been down this road before with Apple and it seems nearly every time we have people defending apple by saying its not a huge deal, its just a small vocal minority having issues, etc. It was big enough to garner coverage by MacWorld, Verge, and Macrumors (who aggregated the Verge story). Apple in turn was then compelled to address it as well.

I'll not beat a dead horse, but state, that its a big enough problem that its effecting folks where the 2018 model didn't Again stating the obvious, earlier iPads had no such problem, but the new thinner models are, regardless of the volume its happened to some when it never did before. It has provoked a lot of discussion, primarily because apple charges so much and promotes itself as a premium brand. people who buy a premium product and when they don't receive the premium experience they'll sound off.

Limit me finish and say I have no idea if its 2%, or 20% but the fact remains its happening means apple should address it. They did with bendgate (Silently adding shims/supports) and in all honesty I hope by the fall with maybe a spec update that will happen. Maybe your right and the volume is low and because of that low volume they'll not do anything.


Don't get me wrong, I want and planning on getting a new iPad this fall which is why I'm hoping that they strengthen the iPad. I need/want USB support and better stylus support. I'm not down on apple but I do hope this problem is rectified.

I would say that no one is defending Apple here, just stating their experiences with the products they bought. I'm certainly speaking from personal experience.

To me, it's the other way around: it seems nearly every time there are some issues with a product (and every generation has some issues, for sure) - there is a group of people that starts calling it a "gate", massively overblowing it, and tries to present it like every device has an issue. The reasons are usually because the new shiny toys are expensive and it's sometimes hard to justify our next purchase, but we're still drawn to these new things because there is a mighty multi-billion machinery doing every they can, pulling every psychological trick in the book to get us to spend money. So we want to get the new thing, but we don't want to spend money. It's in human nature to try to downplay the new product or version. It goes the other way around - people who do buy the latest and greatest don't like to hear how they made a mistake. I get it. Still, I trust owners more than I trust window shoppers - even though I'm aware both groups are (at least a little bit) biased.

As for your plans - I don't know, of course, but I honestly doubt we'll see new iPad Pros before next year. And even then, it remains to be seen if they actually are physically stronger than the current ones. Personally, I don't think this bending issue is a reason to avoid the current generation - but that doesn't mean waiting to see what comes next is not a good idea, if you're not in a rush. For example, I'm kinda hoping the next generation of iPad Pros will have a taptic engine and have haptics like the iPhone.

 

[iTom501]

SO! Here's mine, I was out on a 5h hike in the mountains and then on a flight, the iPad was in the Apple case inside an Incase bag. I don't baby my tech, that's just ridiculous to me, I put it in a bag and on my way I go. Now I wasn't super careful, sure but I've had iPads and Macs in my backpacks before in more hectic situations and I've never ever, EVER had any of them bent, so maybe apple could use a stronger material in next iPad and I could be more careful too.

 

[steve62388]

SO! Here's mine, I was out on a 5h hike in the mountains and then on a flight, the iPad was in the Apple case inside an Incase bag. I don't baby my tech, that's just ridiculous to me, I put it in a bag and on my way I go. Now I wasn't super careful, sure but I've had iPads and Macs in my backpacks before in more hectic situations and I've never ever, EVER had any of them bent, so maybe apple could use a stronger material in next iPad and I could be more careful too.

That’s bent in two axes!

 

[duervo]

I would say that no one is defending Apple here, just stating their experiences with the products they bought. I'm certainly speaking from personal experience.

To me, it's the other way around: it seems nearly every time there are some issues with a product (and every generation has some issues, for sure) - there is a group of people that starts calling it a "gate", massively overblowing it, and tries to present it like every device has an issue. The reasons are usually because the new shiny toys are expensive and it's sometimes hard to justify our next purchase, but we're still drawn to these new things because there is a mighty multi-billion machinery doing every they can, pulling every psychological trick in the book to get us to spend money. So we want to get the new thing, but we don't want to spend money. It's in human nature to try to downplay the new product or version. It goes the other way around - people who do buy the latest and greatest don't like to hear how they made a mistake. I get it. Still, I trust owners more than I trust window shoppers - even though I'm aware both groups are (at least a little bit) biased.

As for your plans - I don't know, of course, but I honestly doubt we'll see new iPad Pros before next year. And even then, it remains to be seen if they actually are physically stronger than the current ones. Personally, I don't think this bending issue is a reason to avoid the current generation - but that doesn't mean waiting to see what comes next is not a good idea, if you're not in a rush. For example, I'm kinda hoping the next generation of iPad Pros will have a taptic engine and have haptics like the iPhone.

Fun Fact: What’s being described here in this example is called, Cognitive Dissonance. Everybody does it ... everybody.

 

[Freida]

Fun Fact: What’s being described here in this example is called, Cognitive Dissonance. Everybody does it ... everybody.

Beautifully said

 

[Freida]

I would say that no one is defending Apple here, just stating their experiences with the products they bought. I'm certainly speaking from personal experience.

To me, it's the other way around: it seems nearly every time there are some issues with a product (and every generation has some issues, for sure) - there is a group of people that starts calling it a "gate", massively overblowing it, and tries to present it like every device has an issue. The reasons are usually because the new shiny toys are expensive and it's sometimes hard to justify our next purchase, but we're still drawn to these new things because there is a mighty multi-billion machinery doing every they can, pulling every psychological trick in the book to get us to spend money. So we want to get the new thing, but we don't want to spend money. It's in human nature to try to downplay the new product or version. It goes the other way around - people who do buy the latest and greatest don't like to hear how they made a mistake. I get it. Still, I trust owners more than I trust window shoppers - even though I'm aware both groups are (at least a little bit) biased.

As for your plans - I don't know, of course, but I honestly doubt we'll see new iPad Pros before next year. And even then, it remains to be seen if they actually are physically stronger than the current ones. Personally, I don't think this bending issue is a reason to avoid the current generation - but that doesn't mean waiting to see what comes next is not a good idea, if you're not in a rush. For example, I'm kinda hoping the next generation of iPad Pros will have a taptic engine and have haptics like the iPhone.

I think you are just too optimistic to the whole thing.

Here is my reasoning - I still have iPhone 6 and its not bend at all. I've seen bent iPhones 6 (exchanged few before I got mine that was straigth; friends phones bent) but I decided to stick with it. So, never experienced my own bent with time but I won't deny that the issue is/was there. Apple knew it so they used stronger aluminium on 6S and fixed the issue overall. Everybody was happy.
Fast forward to current situation - Apple released product that is thinner and less rigid than previous generation. That is something we can state as a fact. Its not disputable (I hope you agree otherwise if not then we end the conversation here). So if something is less rigid than previous generation then that means that some people will experience bending even though their usage hasn't changed. (again, we can agree on that I hope)
Now, who is wrong here? The users for "overblowing" it or Apple for making it thinner and not use proper material to maintain the same rigidness as previous generation? Considering the price I would say Apple.
Also, Apple can't expect users to change behaviour each generation as eventually we would end up with products that are as fragile as christmas ornaments

I personally don't have the new iPad Pro. I wanted to buy it and was waiting for that but this changed my mind. I did go to the apple store and tried the "flex" of the new one (compared to mine) and could clearly see a difference. Less force is needed so that sealed the deal for me and I'm not getting one until Apple does the same as they did with 6S.

Sure, I could do the same as I did with my own iPhone 6 and hope it will be fine with my "babysitting" behaviour but I'm not willing to do that with a device that is this expensive.

I understand the issue is overblown just like it was with iPhone 6 but the issue is THERE! The new iPads are weaker than previous generation and that is a fact. So, instead of defending Apple so hard, why don't you try to understand that people are worried when they clearly see it in any Apple store how less rigid the iPads are?
You made a choice to buy it and risk it because you think its not a problem but some are not going to and some did and got the issue.

Apple will never come and admit that they designed it wrong. Just like they didn't do it with iPhone 6, keyboard etc.
They will just release better version next time and thats how they silence the crowd. Hell, we are on version 3 keyboard even though Apple said its a non issue and it affects minimal number of people (just like they always do with anything).

So, put it to bed and understand the other group of people. No need to defend Apple so hard.
Most people dont' have issues, some people do, some people overblow it and some people are worried and won't buy because of it. That is the situation and that is what Apple needs to improve. Ideally, Apple wants only one group of people - the one that all want to buy the product so clearly here they failed.

 

[Ghost31]

I think apple just needs to be cool with making things thicker. If it was just a little bit thicker, nobody would even notice. Well, except when they notice their iPad isn’t bent! I was pretty shocked at the jerryrigeverything video when they showed the inside of it and how unprotected it is. You’d figure there was some support structure but nope. A sandwich has more structure than a $1k iPad

 

[aevan]

Fun Fact: What’s being described here in this example is called, Cognitive Dissonance. Everybody does it ... everybody.

I’m sure you understand this means that both sides in this argument are biased, not just the “defending side”. Which is all I’m saying. This is why anecdotal evidence, YouTube videos and personal impressions can’t be taken as proof either way. We need data, and we don’t have it. Every conclusion here is personal opinions and nothing else. Every conclusion.

 

[Khedron]

I think apple just needs to be cool with making things thicker. If it was just a little bit thicker, nobody would even notice. Well, except when they notice their iPad isn’t bent! I was pretty shocked at the jerryrigeverything video when they showed the inside of it and how unprotected it is. You’d figure there was some support structure but nope. A sandwich has more structure than a $1k iPad

It doesn't even need to be thicker, it needs internal structure, which would be trivial to add since there's already loads of empty space in iPad Pros

 

[aevan]

I think you are just too optimistic to the whole thing.

Apple released product that is thinner and less rigid than previous generation.

That is something we can state as a fact. Its not disputable (I hope you agree otherwise if not then we end the conversation here).

Of course. Just as iPad 2 was less rigid than iPad 1. As things get smaller and lighter, they get less rigid. Similarly, a plastic screen (like the ones phones used to have) is less shatter prone than glass ones.

The question here is whether this rigidity is sufficient for regular use.

So if something is less rigid than previous generation then that means that some people will experience bending even though their usage hasn't changed. (again, we can agree on that I hope)

Well, I can’t speak about other people’s usage. I’m using mine normally, carrying it in the same bags, using it the same way and I haven’t experienced bending. I honestly don’t know how other people are using theirs. I’ll give you an example - a friend of mine upgraded from an iPhone 4S to iPhone 7 a few years ago, after his trusty 4S finally stopped working (not really a gadget person, as you can see, but he liked “the new bigger iPhones” so he was actually happy to get one). He broke the screen on his 7 just days after getting it. “I just took it out of my pants and it was broken - this is ********! Apple quality is not what it used to be with this new guy running things after Jobs!” - You know, the standard response. So I asked him how he broke it, and he replied that he did nothing out of the ordinary, he used it the same way he always did. So, to paraphrase you - his usage hasn’t changed. To cut the story short - after a brief inquiry I found out he was not only putting his iPhone in his back pocket, like he always have, he also kept it in there while sitting. Like he always have. Now, I don’t know, perhaps it was just bad luck, but I’d say the 4S which is both thicker and smaller managed to survive all these years and the more fragile 7 didn’t - with its bigger screen area, thinner design, aluminium frame instead of a steel one, etc.

So, does that mean iPhone 7 was badly designed - or that you shouldn’t sit on a thinner, lighter, larger phone? I don’t know - but I know that it was good of Apple to make thinner and bigger phones. Now the new iPad is thinner and lighter - while keeping the great battery life and impressively increasing performance. At the same time, one of the two main complaints people had for the 12.9” that it was too large and heavy to hold for a longer time. The other one was the way Pencil charged. Apple addressed both: they made the volume and weight smaller and they added a plastic charging spot in an opening to the side. Both decisions reduced the structural strength of the iPad, but both decisions were made with good reason. Of course the rigidity would be reduced, just like the larger, thinner aluminium iPhones had their rigidity reduced compared to previous iPhones.

Now, the two questions here are: 1. does this affect the iPad at regular usage, 2. was there anything Apple could’ve done better (like in the case of 6S). For the first one, my experience (of carrying the iPad in various bags and using it daily), the answer is: no, it does not. I can’t speak for others, as I mentioned above, this is all anecdotal and neither “side” has the real data. As for the second one - we’ll see if theY change anything to make it more rigid with the next version.

I hope I explained to you why I, personally, think this is an overblown issue. You’re welcome to disagree, of course, but I can tell you, this iPad Pro is one of my most favorite Apple devices ever. And to everyone asking for it to be thicker - that is your preference. For me - I want as thin and light iPad as possible, as long as it doesn’t negatively affect its operation. In this case, I don’t think it does. People should take note, though - this new iPad, as a result of its advanced Pencil charging feature and thinner and lighter design is less rigid than the previous ones - so if you’re rough on your devices, you should pay extra care to protect your device.

I could be wrong, of course. Time will tell.

 

[duervo]

I’m sure you understand this means that both sides in this argument are biased, not just the “defending side”. Which is all I’m saying. This is why anecdotal evidence, YouTube videos and personal impressions can’t be taken as proof either way. We need data, and we don’t have it. Every conclusion here is personal opinions and nothing else. Every conclusion.

Of course. That’s why I said that everybody does it ... everybody.

Sheesh ... people here are so defensive ... so defensive.

 

[Freida]

iPad is used differently than a laptop so it needs to withstand a small amount of abuse etc.
The latest iPad is too fragile - try it yourself. Take previous gen and apply small force and then do the same with the new one. You will feel/see difference. The new one is just too "soft" and with time we will probably see more and more tiny bends.
Apple will address this one way or another. They always do. Until then, I'll vote with my wallet and won't buy it. Simple as that.
Yours is fine, just like my iPhone 6 is fine but that doesn't change the reality that some people have the issue and some people don't.
Sitting on something (your example) is just simple word game and we both know (I assume you are a smart person) that although it negates one of my points it doesn't change the idea behind my example. I know it and I'm sure you do too. For conversation sake I will admit that it was ok to point out this but its just different.

I kinda hope that Apple will get some beating overall because it seems that recently things were not really what they used to be. Its good to get a slap in the face from time to time to try harder next time and Apple needs this more than ever.

Anyway, lets hope that future will bring us better and better products. For now, there are areas for massive improvements on most products.

Of course. Just as iPad 2 was less rigid than iPad 1. As things get smaller and lighter, they get less rigid. Similarly, a plastic screen (like the ones phones used to have) is less shatter prone than glass ones.

The question here is whether this rigidity is sufficient for regular use.



Well, I can’t speak about other people’s usage. I’m using mine normally, carrying it in the same bags, using it the same way and I haven’t experienced bending. I honestly don’t know how other people are using theirs. I’ll give you an example - a friend of mine upgraded from an iPhone 4S to iPhone 7 a few years ago, after his trusty 4S finally stopped working (not really a gadget person, as you can see, but he liked “the new bigger iPhones” so he was actually happy to get one). He broke the screen on his 7 just days after getting it. “I just took it out of my pants and it was broken - this is ********! Apple quality is not what it used to be with this new guy running things after Jobs!” - You know, the standard response. So I asked him how he broke it, and he replied that he did nothing out of the ordinary, he used it the same way he always did. So, to paraphrase you - his usage hasn’t changed. To cut the story short - after a brief inquiry I found out he was not only putting his iPhone in his back pocket, like he always have, he also kept it in there while sitting. Like he always have. Now, I don’t know, perhaps it was just bad luck, but I’d say the 4S which is both thicker and smaller managed to survive all these years and the more fragile 7 didn’t - with its bigger screen area, thinner design, aluminium frame instead of a steel one, etc.

So, does that mean iPhone 7 was badly designed - or that you shouldn’t sit on a thinner, lighter, larger phone? I don’t know - but I know that it was good of Apple to make thinner and bigger phones. Now the new iPad is thinner and lighter - while keeping the great battery life and impressively increasing performance. At the same time, one of the two main complaints people had for the 12.9” that it was too large and heavy to hold for a longer time. The other one was the way Pencil charged. Apple addressed both: they made the volume and weight smaller and they added a plastic charging spot in an opening to the side. Both decisions reduced the structural strength of the iPad, but both decisions were made with good reason. Of course the rigidity would be reduced, just like the larger, thinner aluminium iPhones had their rigidity reduced compared to previous iPhones.

Now, the two questions here are: 1. does this affect the iPad at regular usage, 2. was there anything Apple could’ve done better (like in the case of 6S). For the first one, my experience (of carrying the iPad in various bags and using it daily), the answer is: no, it does not. I can’t speak for others, as I mentioned above, this is all anecdotal and neither “side” has the real data. As for the second one - we’ll see if theY change anything to make it more rigid with the next version.

I hope I explained to you why I, personally, think this is an overblown issue. You’re welcome to disagree, of course, but I can tell you, this iPad Pro is one of my most favorite Apple devices ever. And to everyone asking for it to be thicker - that is your preference. For me - I want as thin and light iPad as possible, as long as it doesn’t negatively affect its operation. In this case, I don’t think it does. People should take note, though - this new iPad, as a result of its advanced Pencil charging feature and thinner and lighter design is less rigid than the previous ones - so if you’re rough on your devices, you should pay extra care to protect your device.

I could be wrong, of course. Time will tell.

 

[aevan]

iPad is used differently than a laptop so it needs to withstand a small amount of abuse etc.
The latest iPad is too fragile - try it yourself.

I did, as I keep saying, I use one daily. Feels solid to me.

Anyway, lets hope that future will bring us better and better products. For now, there are areas for massive improvements on most products.

Really? “Massive” improvements? Can you tell me what massive improvements you expect, taking current technology into account.

 

[maflynn]

The latest iPad is too fragile - try it yourself. Take previous gen and apply small force and then do the same with the new one. You will feel/see difference. The new one is just too "soft" and with time we will probably see more and more tiny bends.

Indeed, I was in the Boston Apple store yesterday, and looking at the 11" and 12.9" iPad Pros. To my surprise the 11" I was using was bent, not hugely noticeable but if you brought the iPad up to eye level there it was.

Apple will address this one way or another. They always do. Until then, I'll vote with my wallet and won't buy it. Simple as that.

One would hope, but I think for them its a matter of dollars and cents. I could be wrong, but unless you have AC+, a bent iPad will be repaired on the owner's dime and not apple. Apple is probably not feeling the pinch and so its probably cheaper for them to live with the design flaw then investing the time and money to fix it. I could be wrong, but I don't even think there's a class action lawsuit for this.

I kinda hope that Apple will get some beating overall because it seems that recently things were not really what they used to be. Its good to get a slap in the face from time to time to try harder next time and Apple needs this more than ever.

Are they getting beat up about this? I mean the butterfly keyboard has garnered multiple class action suits, and bad press. Bendgate likewise caused a lot of negative press but the iPad bending??? Most of the chatter regarding bending has been late 2018 and early 2019. My point is if there's no vocal and visible pushback apple may feel it can live with the design.

Anyway, lets hope that future will bring us better and better products. For now, there are areas for massive improvements on most products.

I don't know if most of the products are in need of massive improvements. With the exception of the laptop and its faulty and flawed keyboard, I don't know any other glaring issue that Apple is facing imo.

Let me add with my thinking,
I'm leaning towards getting the 11" IPP but if I do, it will have AC+. My usage is such that the iPad will not go in a backpack but in a laptop back, wither w/o a laptop (when I go into the office) or when I travel and I take both a laptop and iPad. In either situation, I believe I should be ok but I'm not entirely sure. I may just sit on the sidelines longer and see what happens.

 

[Ghost31]

but if I do, it will have AC+. My usage is such that the iPad will not go in a backpack but in a laptop back, wither w/o a laptop (when I go into the office) or when I travel and I take both a laptop and iPad. In either situation, I believe I should be ok but I'm not entirely sure. I may just sit on the sidelines longer and see what happens.

This is just sad when you have to worry this much over something meant to be portable. Huge fail on apples part

 

[jjudson]

Until then, I'll vote with my wallet and won't buy it. Simple as that.

And regardless of the debate here, this is a reality for more people than Apple would like.

I’ve wanted the new iPad since it’s release, and I entertained the idea heavily this weekend with the Amazon sale. I even placed it in my cart. But before I purchased, I deleted it. I just can’t take the chance of spending $1000+ on something I have no confidence in.

I have a Gen 2 model. It’s built like a tank, which is what I need. I am an extremely heavy user. I travel about 100K miles a year by plane. I stuff it in my bag, cased in a Miniko case https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073FDHC4...olid=38VT5VPW1VUM8&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it . It spends a lot of time shoved into overhead baggage compartments with obnoxious people loading their bags on top of my soft backpack. I use it for reading, surfing, photo editing with Lightroom, note taking, and video viewing in hotels. I do not baby it. It’s as straight as the day I bought it. Rightly (I suspect) or wrongly, I do not believe the new iPad would withstand my rigorous lifestyle and usage. So I don’t buy the new model. Simple as that.

I’m hoping that Apple will have something better this year, but I suspect it will likely be next. That’s unfortunate because I could use the upgraded features now. It’s also unfortunate for Apple, because it’s opened the door to competition as I’ve been closely looking at the new Surface, something I would not have considered before.

This has been a ridiculous and unnecessary mistake by Apple. Thinness in exchange for durability in a unit like this is a poor trade-off, and as you mention, I’ll hold onto my dollars a bit longer.

Like many people will I’m sure...

 

[Freida]

I meant - try the light force test.

Yes, massive improvements would be:

-fix the keyboard & possibly touchbar (there has to be a better way than this gimmick)
-improve rigidness of the iPad Pro
-iMac need redesign with better cooling
-new ACD so when you buy Mac Mini you can get Apple display with it
-and more

First 2 would be "fixes" the rest would be desired improvements or logical step.
Software side could benefit too - ie. bring back Aperture up to date or update Photos to the level Aperture was.

I did, as I keep saying, I use one daily. Feels solid to me.



Really? “Massive” improvements? Can you tell me what massive improvements you expect, taking current technology into account.

 

[aevan]

I meant - try the light force test.

Yes, massive improvements would be:

-fix the keyboard & possibly touchbar (there has to be a better way than this gimmick)
-improve rigidness of the iPad Pro
-iMac need redesign with better cooling
-new ACD so when you buy Mac Mini you can get Apple display with it
-and more

First 2 would be "fixes" the rest would be desired improvements or logical step.
Software side could benefit too - ie. bring back Aperture up to date or update Photos to the level Aperture was.

Even if I agreed with all of them, these are not “massive” improvements, more like tweaks. Massive would assume something is horribly wrong with Apple products and - apart from the unreliable keyboard - Apple is currently making the best iPads it ever made, the best Macs ever, the best iPhones, etc. And their software is getting better - iOS is getting faster, iPads are getting iPadOS, macOS is gaining some really substantial features like Catalyst apps and Sidecar.... I really like the direction Apple is moving their products.

iMac Pro has amazing cooling, so I don’t see a need for a redesign - maybe just do that with regular iMacs, iPad Pro is fine - sure, improve rigidness if possible, but it’s nothing “massive”, Touch Bar I like, but ok, they could show it some love (it certainly is not a gimmick, though)..... so, I don’t see a need for any massive improvements here, only standard refinement year over year.

As for the light force test, I don’t bend my devices intentionally, but, ok, I applied “light force” and it didn’t bend, of course.

 

[aevan]

This has been a ridiculous and unnecessary mistake by Apple. Thinness in exchange for durability in a unit like this is a poor trade-off, and as you mention, I’ll hold onto my dollars a bit longer.

Like many people will I’m sure...

These iPads seem to be selling really well. As for size and weight, as I said, were one of the two biggest complaints with the previous model. Personally, I think the trade-off was justified, but that’s just my opinion.

The fact these iPads don’t fit your lifestyle - I understand. That is unfortunate. However, your choices are your own, after all. I flied with my iPad several times, but I don’t place a $1000 device crammed in an overhead baggage where people put their bags on top, I find that bad advice. I carry it in a Incase shoulder bag I keep with me and often place the bag below my seat.

 

[Freida]

Even if I agreed with all of them, these are not “massive” improvements, more like tweaks. Massive would assume something is horribly wrong with Apple products and - apart from the unreliable keyboard - Apple is currently making the best iPads it ever made, the best Macs ever, the best iPhones, etc. And their software is getting better - iOS is getting faster, iPads are getting iPadOS, macOS is gaining some really substantial features like Catalyst apps and Sidecar.... I really like the direction Apple is moving their products.

iMac Pro has amazing cooling, so I don’t see a need for a redesign - maybe just do that with regular iMacs, iPad Pro is fine - sure, improve rigidness if possible, but it’s nothing “massive”, Touch Bar I like, but ok, they could show it some love (it certainly is not a gimmick, though)..... so, I don’t see a need for any massive improvements here, only standard refinement year over year.

As for the light force test, I don’t bend my devices intentionally, but, ok, I applied “light force” and it didn’t bend, of course.

Its a matter of perspective. For me, the keyboard flaw is massive.
the rest - I won't go over it, you are too Apple defensive to be critical.
And I wasn't asking you to bend you iPad. I was asking you to apply some light force on your latest iPad and then do the same with previous gen and see the difference in rigidity. Thats what I was talking about.

 

[aevan]

Its a matter of perspective. For me, the keyboard flaw is massive.

That one I can agree with. The rest - far from massive.

the rest - I won't go over it, you are too Apple defensive to be critical.

As you said, a matter of perspective.

And I wasn't asking you to bend you iPad. I was asking you to apply some light force on your latest iPad and then do the same with previous gen and see the difference in rigidity. Thats what I was talking about.

Ok, I did that. I actually have a 1st gen with me too. I don’t feel any difference in rigidity with light force. I gave it a solid pressure, btw, without overdoing it. They feel the same, 100%. Perhaps you feel the new one is less solid because of the visual tricks from differences in design?

 

[Freida]

That one I can agree with. The rest - far from massive.




As you said, a matter of perspective.




Ok, I did that. I actually have a 1st gen with me too. I don’t feel any difference in rigidity with light force. I gave it a solid pressure, btw, without overdoing it. They feel the same, 100%. Perhaps you feel the new one is less solid because of the visual tricks from differences in design?

Well, I'll wait for Apple to fix it. If they don't then no iPad for me
I hope they do though because I really want one

 

[aevan]

Well, I'll wait for Apple to fix it. If they don't then no iPad for me

Assuming there is anything to fix

Anyway, good luck and may you find the device you need!