I agree the old way was better, and I believe there could be a better Mac-like-space-style solution. Other than the potential for a second screen - Stage Manager doesn't solve anything for me in its current implementation but I do think there is a problem to be solved. There need to be an elegant handheld/touch first solution to manage multiple applications and be able to go in and out of them more fluidly.
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All iPads iPads shouldn't run macOS - Stage Manager shows it clearly
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Agreed, iPad (including the pro) does not need MacOS to justify its existence. MacOS would be a bonus (that will probably never happen). Even a 16in iPad pro would not need MacOS in my opinion. Many people are eagerly waiting for a larger pro....
Apple tests a lot of things... And rumors mainly point to a version of MacOS running only App store apps, almost pointless in my opinion...I mean...Apple seems to be testing macOS for iPad internally soooo...
Apple Patent Suggests Future iPad Could Transform Into macOS-Like Experience When Attached to a Keyboard
A new Apple patent has suggested that a future iPad or version of iPadOS could include the ability to transform the tablet into a macOS-like user...www.macrumors.com
Apple rumored to be testing macOS for M2 iPad Pro | AppleInsider
A leaker has claimed that Apple is working on a version of macOS exclusive for the M2 iPad Pro, with it expected at some point in 2023.appleinsider.com
That's fine, because at least then it would have a better UI for keyboard and mice and external monitors so macOS mode would still have a use. (Plus I doubt this version would run only App Store apps for long as the EU is cracking down on Apple and the Digital Markets Act is mandating sideloading and alternative app stores.)
You already state that you don't get why some of us folks don't want to see iPad only using a glorified iOS (aka iPadOS) but a real desktop OS (aka macOS) that can take advantage of iPad horsepower. And you also mention iPad and Mac are two separate product lines. I point out iPad is just a glorified iPhone doing almost everything iPhone can do better. Then why iPad can't be a miniature MacBook that does things MBA can do but with a more compact package?
Yes, there are applications that take advantage of a touch-centric iOS with a bigger screen, such as digital artists. However, for everyone else who buys iPad Pro for various other reasons, they rightfully want iPad to do more than what iOS can do, and current iPadOS cannot deliver those. Simple as that.
Well, I would not put too much hope on the alternative app store and sideloading thing simply because Apple has a trillion ways to just "technically comply".
I was on the fence of getting the 16 inch iPad Pro... but the existence of Stage Manager makes that decision a no-brainer. I think the missing feature of Stage Manager or iPad in general is having apps stream audio simultaneously… I’m really hoping that comes to the iPad in the near future.
I absolutely enjoy Sound Assistant on Samsung Galaxy devices.
If they did, they wouldn't be making a big stink about the DMA and giving anti-sideloading lectures and poorly written PDFs to regulators with a burglar fox.
Yeah, also they need to let people use the iPad speakers when a monitor is connected (currently not possible). These limitations are in my opinion a legacy of the restricted IOS that will hopefully be addressed.
I am really waiting for the 16in pro, it would render my Tab S8 ultra useless other than as a monitor for Windows, but who cares.
Many people here dismiss this as way too big, as it does not match their "Steve Jobs" use case of the iPad, but they just do not realize that other people have much more sophisticated uses for their iPads, which however does not mean they use it as a replacement for a desktop device (although in my case I would gladly take that option for use on the go in some situations).
I see that you are trying to throw shade at the iPad. But your stance is with the iPhone and iPad being similar then why can‘t the Mac and iPad be the same? Seems like that’s the just of it.
Reason why that does not work… is again, iPhone and iPad are built on touch focused foundation… the Mac is not.
It’s not rocket science. Know the device being purchased… if the iPad doesn’t have the application or tools needed to complete a task, then buy a Mac or Windows device. Any reasonable person would know… ”hey, I need a full desktop version of Excel”… does it exist on the iPad.. no? Well, then go where the device has it. Simple as that.
When did this awful trend start by clapping after every word? I see it so many places. Just. Why???
Anyway, take a look at Windows 8 again. These large elements are needed for touch screens. I hate Windows 10/11 on surface devices when trying to use a touch screen. And I hated Windows 8 on a non-touch screen system. Take a look at macos UI. It doesn’t work for touch. I tried with Remote Desktop. Horrible experience with my finger size.
Disabling the touch screen didn’t fix Windows 8 UI. It wouldn’t fix macos Touch UI.
Well, they will make it “technically comply“ anyways. The rest remains to be seen.
Imagine apple spend those legal battle budget on R&D and pay those designers for better product. Just saying.
The point everybody seems to be missing is Apple will not compromise the user experience. A 2-in-1 is a compromise - a poor laptop and a poor tablet. Microsoft, arguably the greatest software company of all time, have been failing spectacularly at this for the last 10+ years.
If people really wanted 2-in-1's, Microsoft's sales would be through the roof, yet here we are, iPad as the top selling tablet YOY.
Microsoft issue is Intel and its chips, as they move ARM that won't be an issue. This sounds like a be careful what you ask for thing.
I'd prefer it if they would not disable touch on Sidecar. it would make it more useful. When I do use it, I keep running into cases where I just want to touch something to scroll, activate or move it. It's a bit frustrating.
If the touchscreen is disabled without a mouse attached, how do you pair your BT mouse? Do you have to administer MacOS-mode in iPadOS-mode? That sounds like fun.
Your claiming that managing/switching between two OSes isn't complicated is a great example of how good User Experience is complicated. Not being able to continue what you are doing just because you picked up the iPad is a bad experience. Can you imagine if you re in the middle of an MacOS export or render and it freezes because you bumped your iPad enough to momentarily disconnect the keyboard.
What happens if you are listening to or watching something on MacOS-mode and then you pick up just your iPad; does that just stop because MacOS-mode has stopped? Do you have to wait for iPadOS-mode to cold boot just because you picked up your iPad? Since MacOS-mode automatically stops when you remove a keyboard, if you re in iPad-mode and you connect a keyboard, do you have to wait for MacOS-mode to cold boot? 8GB RAM wont be enough for managing two OSes, with one suspended so you don't have to cold boot each time, so that means that Apple would be developing MacOS-mode which only targets the most expensive 1TB+ iPads; I doubt they would spend the effort on something which ignores most of their iPads.
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Even if you could have full Chrome/Firefox on iPadOS, you would still have to test MacOS Chrome/Firefox if for no other reason than StageManager-responsive can produce different issues from Desktop-responsive.
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That was needlessly rude and obnoxious for the sake of making such a thoughtless argument. Wacom already sells touch displays for macs in various sizes, and has for what, twenty years now... Wacoms drivers are famously terrible and it’s still a better Mac OS experience than a keyboard and a mouse. This has been discussed to death hundreds of times on here already, and still people insist on lazily regurgitating this decade-old excuse of Apples. Ridiculous.
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Well if they were like for like in terms of functionality, and if the iPad's image wasn't knobbled as being a second rate device intended primarily for content consumption, there's no reason why they shouldn't be.
A leaker on Twitter is not "Apple agreeing".And it seems Apple agrees as lately there's been rumors that macOS 14 is being tested for an 11 inch size so it can run on the small iPad Pro.
Wild rumor claims macOS 14 is coming to the M2 iPad Pro
That would certainly shake things up.www.macworld.com
"File this one under Too Crazy to Ignore: A leaker on Twitter claims that Apple is working on a “smaller version of macOS” that will run “exclusively” on the new M2 iPad Pro next year."
Wait, so MacOS will run on the M2, but not the M1? Cant wait for all the #plannedobsolescence complaints. Looking froward to A12X 11" iPP owners wanting to run macOS with 4GB RAM just because the dev kit A12 Mini ran MacOS with 16GB RAM.
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Sigh I already explained in this thread that this is not a solution, neither do I want multiple windows or any window split in the middle. I need multiple instances that each have their own fullscreen window. These windows are all part of the same instance. How is being able to open another browser window going to rock my world?
You'd have to do that on a real Mac anyhow. Mac Minis, iMacs, and Mac Studios don't pair BT mice unless logged in, unless they use a USB receiver.
I use a Steam Deck. You can switch from Gaming Mode to Desktop Mode with just one button press in the main menu
macOS lets you switch to Windows with one button press in Boot Camp
It's not complicated like you think it is lmao.
That's not how computers work at all lmao. macOS mode wouldn't stop if a keyboard or mouse got disconnected or if it was removed from it's Magic Keyboard. All that would happen is you wouldn't type anything or move a cursor. Like with Sidecar mode the touchscreen would be a failsafe to open a menu to exit macOS mode should the need arise. You're trying to make an issue out of something that isn't an issue.
This is you:
It is for Intel Macs especially with virtual memory
My guy do you not know how dualbooting works?
You’re the one saying that the touchscreen should just stop working if you disconnect the mouse/keyboard. That’s a bad experience. MacOS needs to be optimized for touch only operation before Apple puts it on an Apple tablet. That means an onscreen keyboard and the ability to access things the keyboard covers at the very least. It’s never as simple as just putting an unmodified OS on a touch device. After all this time Windows still has touch related issues.You'd have to do that on a real Mac anyhow. Mac Minis, iMacs, and Mac Studios don't pair BT mice unless logged in, unless they use a USB receiver.
I use a Steam Deck. You can switch from Gaming Mode to Desktop Mode with just one button press in the main menu
macOS lets you switch to Windows with one button press in Boot Camp
It's not complicated like you think it is lmao.
That's not how computers work at all lmao. macOS mode wouldn't stop if a keyboard or mouse got disconnected or if it was removed from it's Magic Keyboard. All that would happen is you wouldn't type anything or move a cursor. Like with Sidecar mode the touchscreen would be a failsafe to open a menu to exit macOS mode should the need arise. You're trying to make an issue out of something that isn't an issue.
This is you:
It is for Intel Macs especially with virtual memory
My guy do you not know how dualbooting works?
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