Other iPhone 14 rumours suggest the most lacklustre update ever.

[Apple_Robert]

I may be one of the exceptions around here but, I am not looking for Apple to thrill me every year with the new iPhone. I don't need a phone that can do everything in the world. I just want something that is reliable, honors my privacy, and works well with my other Apple devices.

 

[usagora]

Everything you just said was so blatantly false. The headphone jack will never die because wired will always be superior over wireless due to having a solid connection, something wireless can never have. It’s why wifi will never “kill” ethernet either

Wireless has so many issues, from audio latency, to digital compression (which is why Airpods Max doesn’t have lossless support) and the biggest issue of wireless mics being absolutely terrible. Example:

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And another factor: Bluetooth headphones have a finite battery before they just stop working altogether. Wired headphones or wireless headphones with a wired mode can recieve analog power from the headphone jack so even when the batteries die they still work and produce amazing sound, while your $200 AirPods go straight into the landfill. It’s why vintage headphones from the 1970s still work and produce amazing sound when plugged into a headphone jack.

This is why the headphone jack isn’t dead and why it needs to come back. We gave wireless a try, now it’s time to go back to practicality, just like how the Macbook Pro brought its legacy ports back.

"Problem" solved

 

[usagora]

A. Added sideloading

What on earth are you people so keen on sideloading wanting to install on your iPhones that you can't already find a dozen or more apps for in the App Store?

 

[djplong]

You can have that defeatist attitude. I'm still gonna bully Apple until I get my headphone jack back, just like we bullied them to put magsafe and the HDMI back on the Macbook Pro

There was much more room on the MBP for an HDMI and other ports. Things are a lot more cramped inside an iPhone.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

What on earth are you people so keen on sideloading wanting to install on your iPhones that you can't already find a dozen or more apps for in the App Store?

• Retro game emulators
• Home screen mods
• QoL additions Apple is too slow to add (or won't)
• Games that Apple won't approve of in the App Store (Such as PokeMMO)
• Proper adblockers, not the paid and nonfunctional garbage they have on the App Store
• A better file manager than the one built in
• Apps that were delisted from the App Store for software and game preservation purposes
• Better multitasking tools

I can go on. tl;dr the Apps we want but Apple won't let onto the App Store. For example the DOS emulator iDOS. https://www.macworld.com/article/351971/apples-idos-ban-is-another-app-store-low-note.html

 

[usagora]

• Retro game emulators
• Home screen mods
• QoL additions Apple is too slow to add (or won't)
• Games that Apple won't approve of in the App Store (Such as PokeMMO)
• Proper adblockers, not the paid and nonfunctional garbage they have on the App Store
• A better file manager than the one built in
• Apps that were delisted from the App Store for software and game preservation purposes
• Better multitasking tools

I can go on. tl;dr the Apps we want but Apple won't let onto the App Store. For example the DOS emulator iDOS. https://www.macworld.com/article/351971/apples-idos-ban-is-another-app-store-low-note.html

I'm guessing the vast majority of iPhone users are fairly (if not fully) satisfied with the enormous variety of apps/games, etc. already in the App Store and with iOS the way it is. As for emulators, there are obvious legal/ethical issues there. I guess you could always buy a non-Apple phone though if you're unhappy with iOS or are ethically comfortable with downloading ROMs of games you don't own physically (most likely). Then you could have the best of both worlds 😉

 

[CrazyForCashews]

I would highly consider the Pro phones if they were lighter. Not a fan of their sizes but the weight ultimately is a dealbreaker.

 

[Al Rukh]

I would highly consider the Pro phones if they were lighter. Not a fan of their sizes but the weight ultimately is a dealbreaker.

Yeap, same sentiments here. The large camera bump along with the flat glossy chassis bother me.

 

[Abazigal]

"Problem" solved

Could I interest you in a $200 headphone jack instead?

Khadas Tea

New Magsafe compatible DAC/amp from Khadas

www.head-fi.org

 

[ian87w]

I don't know why I made this thread, clearly Apple won't change their tune and the company has been going downhill for a while. Those early iPhone years where people queued overnight at Apple stores are long gone.

Just wish they'd give us "more", especially when they raise prices.

To give Apple credit, at least they keep improving the performance per watt on their chips, both the performance and efficiency cores. The Apple Silicon team is just doing magic year after year.

The Qualcomm/Android silicon side is very bleak compared to Apple, with worse performance per watt on every generation since Snapdragon 870, and to this day, most chips used on Android today are still on old performance cores and even older efficiency cores (the commonly used cortex-A55 efficiency core is from 2017...).

 

[Paddle1]

So let me get right...

The non-Pro, standard iPhone 14, if the rumours are all to be believed:

• Will look near enough identical
• Still have the same notch as the 13
• Be the same size and have the same size screen
• Have a variant of the A15 chip (same as the 13)
• Won't have pro-motion
• Have a slightly better camera and battery life

All of this and Apple will likely charge you an extra $100-$200 above the current 13 prices for the pleasure.

Honestly, Apple should be ashamed if all this is true. What has happened to this company? One that prided itself on innovation and offering new and exciting products is now happy to put out lacklustre devices like this.

Should have at least had the pill-shaped cutout and pro-motion. 120hz displays have been around for years now, and in 2022 Apple is still going to be selling a (likely) $800+ phone with a 60hz display.

I just hope when they reveal the new devices in September that they have a hidden surprise or two for the non-Pro models, and not just some trivial software update that won't be available at launch or slightly deeper shade of red as a colour option.

The Max size will be available for the first time without having to pay the Pro pricing. That's probably the main draw for the non-Pro models this year. For everyone else, they likely expect you'll be upgrading from a phone older than the 13, or that you are either already planning to buy or will be upsold to the new notch-free Pro instead.

 

[Funny Apple Man]

Why does everyone blame Tim Cook for literally everything ha. It’s so exhausting and the same people who blame the US President for everything bad as well.

Tim doesn't mind taking all of the blame as long as he keeps getting that big fat paycheck. I'd happy switch places with him if he ever does get exhausted from the people bothering him about the stage manager issue.

 

[Funny Apple Man]

Apple will somehow find a way to differentiate the regular 14 from the 13 that will make us want to buy it.

What if Apple decides to put a USB-C port on the regular 14 but keep everything else the same?

 

[TracerAnalog]

• Retro game emulators
• Home screen mods
• QoL additions Apple is too slow to add (or won't)
• Games that Apple won't approve of in the App Store (Such as PokeMMO)
• Proper adblockers, not the paid and nonfunctional garbage they have on the App Store
• A better file manager than the one built in
• Apps that were delisted from the App Store for software and game preservation purposes
• Better multitasking tools

I can go on. tl;dr the Apps we want but Apple won't let onto the App Store. For example the DOS emulator iDOS. https://www.macworld.com/article/351971/apples-idos-ban-is-another-app-store-low-note.html

Dude, why don’t you try Android? It’s a a seriously good alternative, and you have a huge choice of excellent phones. Honest question…

 

[tastesliketailpipe]

I may be one of the exceptions around here but, I am not looking for Apple to thrill me every year with the new iPhone. I don't need a phone that can do everything in the world. I just want something that is reliable, honors my privacy, and works well with my other Apple devices.

Take the privacy bit out and there you have it.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Dude, why don’t you try Android? It’s a a seriously good alternative, and you have a huge choice of excellent phones. Honest question…

Do you say "just buy an Android" to anyone who says anything that the iPhone should have? Like, if someone says the iPhone should have USB-C do you tell them to buy an Android?

 

[Abazigal]

So let me get right...

The non-Pro, standard iPhone 14, if the rumours are all to be believed:

• Will look near enough identical
• Still have the same notch as the 13
• Be the same size and have the same size screen
• Have a variant of the A15 chip (same as the 13)
• Won't have pro-motion
• Have a slightly better camera and battery life

All of this and Apple will likely charge you an extra $100-$200 above the current 13 prices for the pleasure.

Honestly, Apple should be ashamed if all this is true. What has happened to this company? One that prided itself on innovation and offering new and exciting products is now happy to put out lacklustre devices like this.

Should have at least had the pill-shaped cutout and pro-motion. 120hz displays have been around for years now, and in 2022 Apple is still going to be selling a (likely) $800+ phone with a 60hz display.

I just hope when they reveal the new devices in September that they have a hidden surprise or two for the non-Pro models, and not just some trivial software update that won't be available at launch or slightly deeper shade of red as a colour option.

It's easier to think of it as the iPhone 13 with an always-on display (and presumably a custom version of the A15 chip to manage the display). I think this by itself will be enough to differentiate it from the iPhone 12 or 13 since it's a very visual upgrade.

 

[daryl1965]

Lackluster does not accurately describe what you think of the next iPhone model. What it means is, if a consumer is upgrading from a five year old iPhone to the next generation/latest iPhone model, that doesn’t make it lackluster, That would be a significant upgrade. If somebody were to upgrade every year, they probably wouldn’t take time to appreciate all the features the iPhone has to offer.

So right remember to some the glass is only half full . In this case the apple didn’t fall from the new iPhone tree to some but others my think differently

 

[DanteHicks79]

iPhone -X- rumors suggest the most lackluster update ever...

...is the same post we see nearly every single year. 🤣

What exactly more are you expecting a cell phone to do? We're still a ways off from having tricoder-like devices.

But even still, you have the equivalent of a supercomputer four times faster than the beast that was crunching away at Livermore Labs twenty years ago - IN YOUR POCKET. Do you not, for even a moment, appreciate how wild and insane that is?

I guess some folks are just never satisfied, eh?

 

[Xand&Roby]

So let me get right...

The non-Pro, standard iPhone 14, if the rumours are all to be believed:

• Will look near enough identical
• Still have the same notch as the 13
• Be the same size and have the same size screen
• Have a variant of the A15 chip (same as the 13)
• Won't have pro-motion
• Have a slightly better camera and battery life

All of this and Apple will likely charge you an extra $100-$200 above the current 13 prices for the pleasure.

Honestly, Apple should be ashamed if all this is true. What has happened to this company? One that prided itself on innovation and offering new and exciting products is now happy to put out lacklustre devices like this.

Should have at least had the pill-shaped cutout and pro-motion. 120hz displays have been around for years now, and in 2022 Apple is still going to be selling a (likely) $800+ phone with a 60hz display.

I just hope when they reveal the new devices in September that they have a hidden surprise or two for the non-Pro models, and not just some trivial software update that won't be available at launch or slightly deeper shade of red as a colour option.

Apple is interested in selling iPhone Pro, not iPhone.
If people can't understand it even when you show it to them there isn't much to say.
The same thing happens with the iPad, the non-pro iPads are used to sell the Pros, even sells a Pro 11 "without the features of the 12.9", which they have to do in Cupertino to make customers understand which products they want to be purchased? It is not difficult.
Well-made products that are cheap are not useful in the medium term, they are wrong and dangerous because after having sold a lot they lead the customer to stay still in the purchasing propensities, and it does not have to work like this, the customer starts from the iPhone but then has to buy the iPhone Pro and then Pro Max, so also with iPad and Mac.
But you still want to save money..

 

[usagora]

Do you say "just buy an Android" to anyone who says anything that the iPhone should have? Like, if someone says the iPhone should have USB-C do you tell them to buy an Android?

I noticed you didn't answer his question. If a product doesn't meet your expectations and another one does, why not buy the other one? I mean, it's possible Apple may eventually fulfill all your specific wish-list items, but that doesn't look like it will be anytime soon, so why deprive yourself in the meantime?

 

[russell_314]

Everything you just said was so blatantly false. The headphone jack will never die because wired will always be superior over wireless due to having a solid connection, something wireless can never have. It’s why wifi will never “kill” ethernet either

Wireless has so many issues, from audio latency, to digital compression (which is why Airpods Max doesn’t have lossless support) and the biggest issue of wireless mics being absolutely terrible. Example:

View attachment 2019047

And another factor: Bluetooth headphones have a finite battery before they just stop working altogether. Wired headphones or wireless headphones with a wired mode can recieve analog power from the headphone jack so even when the batteries die they still work and produce amazing sound, while your $200 AirPods go straight into the landfill. It’s why vintage headphones from the 1970s still work and produce amazing sound when plugged into a headphone jack.

This is why the headphone jack isn’t dead and why it needs to come back. We gave wireless a try, now it’s time to go back to practicality, just like how the Macbook Pro brought its legacy ports back.

I'm all for nostalgia but it seems you're just not wanting to admit what is real. My statement of "The headphone jack is dead" should have been "The headphone jack is dead on smartphones". I'm an old timer and I really like the look of some of the older tech but there comes a point that you have to separate current tech from nostalgia. The MacBook Pro has it for musicians and people who work with sound recordings. There's nothing stopping someone for buying it as a music player but I don't think it would be as convenient compared to a smartphone.

There are some high end portable music players that have a headphone jacks for use with over the ear headphones that can cost $2k+. That's a niche item for audiophiles though. The average person in 2022 listens to music with Bluetooth earbuds because they don't like dealing with wires. I would never go back to wired earbuds for portable music. I don't miss the wire hanging from my ears or having earbuds yanked out of my ears when the wire gets caught on something.

Older tech dies off and gets replaced by newer tech. Sure there are advantages with some of the older tech that isn't on the new tech but that doesn't really change anything. When laptops had DVD drives you could watch movies when you didn't have a network connection. Now if you want to watch offline you have to have it saved to a drive. There are advantages of the CRT television but it's gone.

I'm not saying wired headphones are going away but it's not going to be on a mainstream smartphone anymore. It's a niche thing. You can use a dongle but I don't think it's the same as a headphone jack. I don't know the exact details on that but I'm sure some audiophile here would be able to explain.

 

[russell_314]

exactly
i still remember even now how furious people were with no more optical drive, because of the music quality and so on...and 10 years now, nobody is talking about it, the world moved on and so will happen with the headphone jack...5 years from now

I was one of those unhappy people. I don't think I was furious but it felt like they removed it too early. I still had DVDs and wanted to watch them on my laptop. Sure you could get an external drive but that's more stuff you have to carry. I was more unhappy about the floppy drive going away. As I got older and watched tech change I learned that it's not something that's going to stand still. Your choices are you can refuse to adopt new tech or just figure it out. Maybe at some point when I get older I'm going to be saying "I'm not using this brain scan keyboard because my mechanical keyboard works just fine" but I'm not there yet 🤣

 

[Paddle1]

So let me get right...

The non-Pro, standard iPhone 14, if the rumours are all to be believed:

• Will look near enough identical
• Still have the same notch as the 13
• Be the same size and have the same size screen
• Have a variant of the A15 chip (same as the 13)
• Won't have pro-motion
• Have a slightly better camera and battery life

All of this and Apple will likely charge you an extra $100-$200 above the current 13 prices for the pleasure.

Honestly, Apple should be ashamed if all this is true. What has happened to this company? One that prided itself on innovation and offering new and exciting products is now happy to put out lacklustre devices like this.

Should have at least had the pill-shaped cutout and pro-motion. 120hz displays have been around for years now, and in 2022 Apple is still going to be selling a (likely) $800+ phone with a 60hz display.

I just hope when they reveal the new devices in September that they have a hidden surprise or two for the non-Pro models, and not just some trivial software update that won't be available at launch or slightly deeper shade of red as a colour option.

I forgot to mention, the ProMotion display only appears on devices with "Pro" in the name.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

So let me get right...

The non-Pro, standard iPhone 14, if the rumours are all to be believed:

• Will look near enough identical
• Still have the same notch as the 13
• Be the same size and have the same size screen
• Have a variant of the A15 chip (same as the 13)
• Won't have pro-motion
• Have a slightly better camera and battery life

All of this and Apple will likely charge you an extra $100-$200 above the current 13 prices for the pleasure.

Honestly, Apple should be ashamed if all this is true. What has happened to this company? One that prided itself on innovation and offering new and exciting products is now happy to put out lacklustre devices like this.

Should have at least had the pill-shaped cutout and pro-motion. 120hz displays have been around for years now, and in 2022 Apple is still going to be selling a (likely) $800+ phone with a 60hz display.

I just hope when they reveal the new devices in September that they have a hidden surprise or two for the non-Pro models, and not just some trivial software update that won't be available at launch or slightly deeper shade of red as a colour option.

It WILL be. And, will sell around 200 million units.