Other iPhone 14 rumours suggest the most lacklustre update ever.

[Pakaku]

Have you ever repaired a phone and taken a look at the internals of said phone? The 3.5 mm jack takes up a massive amount of real estate inside the hardware of the device, space that was replaced with a larger battery, larger taptic engine, etc.

But does it have to take up that much space? They used a pretty small module in the iPod Nano 6G, almost no bigger than to wrap around the headphone jack. Unless there is something that I'm missing, there doesn't seem to be any reason for it to be so big asides from stability (the iPod's own casing probably helps hold its module in place)

iPhone 6S/Nano 6G comparison:

 

[ian87w]

But does it have to take up that much space? They used a pretty small module in the iPod Nano 6G, almost no bigger than to wrap around the headphone jack. Unless there is something that I'm missing, there doesn't seem to be any reason for it to be so big asides from stability (the iPod's own casing probably helps hold its module in place)

iPhone 6S/Nano 6G comparison:

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I think we already know the real reason: Airpods and money.
Still, it can be rationalized on the iPhone, ie to make water proofing easier.

But removing the jack on the iPad? Now that's sillier...

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Nobody with a 12 or 13 should be eyeing a 14 anyway

If the battery was decent in my 12 I would be keeping it longer but unfortunately it’s terrible. I need to upgrade this year but if the rumours are correct, i’ll be looking at the cost of the 13 Pro first as I don’t really want to pay £799 for something just slightly better than what I have.

I think every company in earth will notice some reduced interest this year as the cost of living is unprecedented. Even Apple will notice some reduction in sales I think and that’s safe to assume. Whether or not it’s significant is not really of interest to me but I know there will be people putting off upgrading or looking at cheaper options. It’s not like any smartphone from the last 3 years is not completely capable.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

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The Always on Display, 48+ MP camera and Titanium frame will be a worthy upgrade tho. It may be an S year for the iPhone but S year seems to be better.

For you maybe. Don’t assume everybody see’s those features as a ‘must have’. Those features are also Pro exclusive features and the majority of iPhone consumers don’t even buy those models anyway. The standard iPhones are more popular due to a more sensible price and these are the models Apple Pay the least attention to. You like to brag about how much you spend etc but this thread is about the 14.

 

[Andeddu]

If the battery was decent in my 12 I would be keeping it longer but unfortunately it’s terrible. I need to upgrade this year but if the rumours are correct, i’ll be looking at the cost of the 13 Pro first as I don’t really want to pay £799 for something just slightly better than what I have.

I think every company in earth will notice some reduced interest this year as the cost of living is unprecedented. Even Apple will notice some reduction in sales I think and that’s safe to assume. Whether or not it’s significant is not really of interest to me but I know there will be people putting off upgrading or looking at cheaper options. It’s not like any smartphone from the last 3 years is not completely capable.

This has meant to be my upgrade year however I have no intention of replacing my 12 Mini due to the cost of living crisis. The only things that’s going to get replaced is just the battery. The 12’s batteries are crap but I will continue using my MagSafe battery pack to get the most out of my phone.

 

[Ram65]

And it will

So let me get right...

The non-Pro, standard iPhone 14, if the rumours are all to be believed:

• Will look near enough identical
• Still have the same notch as the 13
• Be the same size and have the same size screen
• Have a variant of the A15 chip (same as the 13)
• Won't have pro-motion
• Have a slightly better camera and battery life

All of this and Apple will likely charge you an extra $100-$200 above the current 13 prices for the pleasure.

Honestly, Apple should be ashamed if all this is true. What has happened to this company? One that prided itself on innovation and offering new and exciting products is now happy to put out lacklustre devices like this.

Should have at least had the pill-shaped cutout and pro-motion. 120hz displays have been around for years now, and in 2022 Apple is still going to be selling a (likely) $800+ phone with a 60hz display.

I just hope when they reveal the new devices in September that they have a hidden surprise or two for the non-Pro models, and not just some trivial software update that won't be available at launch or slightly deeper shade of red as a colour option

It’s doesn’t matter what apple puts out it’s sell regardless

And the 14Series will still sell millions and people will put themselves into further debt just to have the Latest and Greatest IPhone .

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

I think we already know the real reason: Airpods and money.
Still, it can be rationalized on the iPhone, ie to make water proofing easier.

But removing the jack on the iPad? Now that's sillier...

Yeah this brings up a good point. Why the hell does the iPad lineup (outside of the vanilla iPad) not have headphone jacks? They're not thin, they're not water resistant, so what the hell?

Apple keeps trying to sell the iPad as a laptop replacement, but guess what the cheaper Macbook Airs have over the M1 iPads: A headphone jack.

 

[TracerAnalog]

Do you say "just buy an Android" to anyone who says anything that the iPhone should have? Like, if someone says the iPhone should have USB-C do you tell them to buy an Android?

No, it is a genuine question whether the alternative was looked at.

 

[KOTN91]

iPhone 13 teardowns found space at the top where a 3.5 jack could be placed. They can make adjustments to the engineering to do it.



Gonna ignore the fact wireless mics are poo right? Even outside of bluetooth's bandwidth they're poo since they don't have a solid connection. Try using one as a gaming headset and see if you don't get laughed at and made fun of for having a "Dollar Tree quality mic" despite the fact you're using $300 wireless headphones



No it isn't their fault. It's those darn laws of physics fault. DAMN YOU PHYSICS! (It is Apple's fault the jack was cut in the first place though, that was in their control.)



But is it improved yet? No it isn't. They're still objectively worse than wired headphones and there's no signs of that improving for a long while. Just like when Apple jumped the gun on USB-C too fast on the Mac and ditched the SD card slot and HDMI, two ports that are still frequently used to the point they had to reverse that decision. The same is true with wired headphones, even moreso now that the iPod is dead so the last iOS device that had a headphone jack (besides the vanilla iPad) is now gone.



Uhh...all those companies still sell phones with headphone jacks. The majority of Android phones still have headphone jacks. It's primarily flagships that don't have them.

Once again proving my point memoji profile pics always have the worst takes.

Please stop going on about the headphone jack. Not only is it off topic, but it was also from 2016 and most users with an iPhone 7 onwards will have found it’s caused an issue roughly zero times

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Please stop going on about the headphone jack. Not only is it off topic, but it was also from 2016 and most users with an iPhone 7 onwards will have found it’s caused an issue roughly zero times

It did cause problems initially but people have adapted. I just deleted my iTunes library from my iPhone which saved a lot of space for other things. I just stream from Amazon music now through my car and use an old iPhone for music on runs.

 

[I7guy]

There have only been four significant releases of the iPhone:

iPhone 2G - changed the same with the all touch experience.

iPhone 4 - Retina display

iPhone 6 - large screen

iPhone X - all screen design with Face ID unlock and the A11 Bionic SoC.

Since then, it’s just been iterative updates. There were some interim releases like the 4S with Siri, 5S with 64 Bit A7. But the reality is, this has been the story of the iPhone since it’s inception. But it’s been particularly more apparent since iPhone XS. You put a iPhone X next to a iPhone 13 Pro (front facing) and you can’t really tell the difference between the two.

One of the tenets of the iPhone we always forget though was that, the key differentiator is the software. Steve Jobs made it clear at the unveiling is, you don’t really have to change the hardware if you decide you want a new design change to your app six months down the road (paraphrasing here).

So, essence, the iPhone has kinda been doing what’s intended to do. The internal upgrades though have certainly been innovative and I am sure most developers have yet to exhaust it. At the end of the day, what we did on a iPhone 10 years ago is no different today. It’s not that much different either from what we did on a Mac 20 years ago either.

The 5s with 64 bit was a defining update, not an iterative one, imo. But ymmv.

 

[jav6454]

iPhone -X- rumors suggest the most lackluster update ever...

...is the same post we see nearly every single year. 🤣

What exactly more are you expecting a cell phone to do? We're still a ways off from having tricoder-like devices.

But even still, you have the equivalent of a supercomputer four times faster than the beast that was crunching away at Livermore Labs twenty years ago - IN YOUR POCKET. Do you not, for even a moment, appreciate how wild and insane that is?

I guess some folks are just never satisfied, eh?

People have become accustomed to the fact that every device has to have a shinny new feature that wows. That is not the case with phones. People are also into buying a phone every year now, when it's absolutely normal to buy one every 2 or 3.

 

[Mr. Dee]

The 5s with 64 bit was a defining update, not an iterative one, imo. But ymmv.

Yeah, its a 64 bit SoC that Phil Schiller claimed offered desktop class performance in a mobile device. The reality is, iOS has struggled to present any desktop class experience for more than 10 years. To me, it was just a case of Apple being first, but didn't really have any immediate impact. The 5S didn't look or work any differently from 5 btw.

 

[I7guy]

Yeah, its a 64 bit SoC that Phil Schiller claimed offered desktop class performance in a mobile device.

I don’t remember what Phil Schiller claimed, but the 64 bit caught the competition by surprise. 64 bit opened up the pipes for newer and better tech, which translates into user experience. Such as the Secure Enclave and Touch ID.

The reality is, iOS has struggled to present any desktop class experience for more than 10 years.

iOS is not a desktop o/s.

To me, it was just a case of Apple being first, but didn't really have any immediate impact. The 5S didn't look or work any differently from 5 btw.

The i7 920 was a pivotal point in chip development. It ran windows as well as its predecessors. The 5s looked like the 5 but Touch ID changed the game. Along with the a7 the m7 was also introduced. So yeah, the 5s wasn’t just an incremental 5.

 

[jav6454]

Yeah, its a 64 bit SoC that Phil Schiller claimed offered desktop class performance in a mobile device. The reality is, iOS has struggled to present any desktop class experience for more than 10 years. To me, it was just a case of Apple being first, but didn't really have any immediate impact. The 5S didn't look or work any differently from 5 btw.

So many wrong in this post. Just so you understand and differentiate, Desktop-Class Performance != Desktop Mode/Experience.

Also, 64-bit was an important milestone to reach and attain early to develop today's tech.

Sure, externally it looked different, but under the hood the changes were felt. However, you, as consumer will not understand such changes, only a developer.

 

[Abazigal]

Yeah, its a 64 bit SoC that Phil Schiller claimed offered desktop class performance in a mobile device. The reality is, iOS has struggled to present any desktop class experience for more than 10 years. To me, it was just a case of Apple being first, but didn't really have any immediate impact. The 5S didn't look or work any differently from 5 btw.

I am reminded of a post by Fraser Speares on this very topic.

“Desktop-class”

Last week, on the day it launched, I purchased an iPad Air. I had been looking forward to an iPad upgrade for a while, having spent the past 18 months on, variously, a 3rd generation iPad and a first-generation iPad mini.

speirs.org

An example just from today: we have a new pupil starting at school next week. To get them up and running, I have to create a new user record in my Google Docs spreadsheet, create a new Google Apps account for them, create a new WiFi password in our Aerohive network and print a number of forms for the pupil and their parents to sign.

In earlier times, that would have been a sequence of tasks I would have automatically reached for my MacBook Air to complete. Today, though, I just did them all on my iPad Air with no real additional effort or time taken. I’d say that the overall time for the task was about the same with some steps taking a bit longer (e.g. signing into 1Password on the iPad) but other steps being actually faster than on the Mac - for example, printing a form from Google Docs.

And if I am not wrong, the A7 chip enabled the Secure Enclave and Touch ID, and it would set the foundation for the M1 chips. I do agree that sometimes, the impact of what Apple does isn't always as immediate as we would like, but it's always exciting to look back and realise just when Apple started setting the stage for the future.

 

[MayaUser]

14 pro rumours are saying over 30% increase in both cpu and gpu
If this will be the case...then the 14 will be a dead meat compare with a fresh meat...Apple trying to sell you the pro model in every-way

 

[MyPhone99]

14 pro rumours are saying over 30% increase in both cpu and gpu
If this will be the case...then the 14 will be a dead meat compare with a fresh meat...Apple trying to sell you the pro model in every-way

if the pro models design (pill and hole design) is not that great and if the prices are too high then regular 14 max will have more orders than any other 14 models

 

[MayaUser]

if the pro models design (pill and hole design) is not that great and if the prices are too high then regular 14 max will have more orders than any other 14 models

i agree but only if the A16 is not that different...but closer to the release we hear that the A16 will be significant, also Lpddr5 Ram big camera upgrade.....the 14 max will be $200 less than the 14 Pro, so Apple wants you to pay the extra 200-300 for far better camera, better SoC, better display

 

[Dealmans]

Yeah this brings up a good point. Why the hell does the iPad lineup (outside of the vanilla iPad) not have headphone jacks? They're not thin, they're not water resistant, so what the hell?

Apple keeps trying to sell the iPad as a laptop replacement, but guess what the cheaper Macbook Airs have over the M1 iPads: A headphone jack.

Who has headphones with a cable though lol

 

[Mr. Dee]

So many wrong in this post. Just so you understand and differentiate, Desktop-Class Performance != Desktop Mode/Experience.

Also, 64-bit was an important milestone to reach and attain early to develop today's tech.

Sure, externally it looked different, but under the hood the changes were felt. However, you, as consumer will not understand such changes, only a developer.

A consumer? So you are saying over 1.5 billion iOS devices are sold just to developers? Last I checked there are 34 million Apple developers. Don’t insult who ultimately buys the product. Very elitist and out of touch comment from you.

 

[jav6454]

A consumer? So you are saying over 1.5 billion iOS devices are sold just to developers? Last I checked there are 34 million Apple developers. Don’t insult who ultimately buys the product. Very elitist and out of touch comment from you

How is it elitist to point out the flaw in your argument? You don’t see or rather fail to see the value added of 64-bit due to your narrow minded view and the fact that clearly you are not a developer.

However, all tech sites, even those for Android agreed that the move to 64-bit was an immensely welcomed surprise that caught the entire industry off guard. All sites praised this move as it allowed said technologies to be unlock for devs. And guess what happened? Applications became much more powerful. We now have stuff like subject highlight on iOS, a feature which was arguably a desktop feature only on got on a desktop app like Photoshop.

 

[radiuz]

Any reliable rumors yet regarding what colors the iPhone 14 models will come in? Same as 13?

 

[Unregistered 4U]

14 pro rumours are saying over 30% increase in both cpu and gpu
If this will be the case...then the 14 will be a dead meat compare with a fresh meat...Apple trying to sell you the pro model in every-way

Wait, Apple’s trying to SELL things? HOW UNDERHANDED! They’ve always given things away before! What changed? /s

 

[bluespark]

It's mature technology at this point, so changes are necessarily going to be incremental in most years going forward. No one is forcing anyone to upgrade.

What I wish, though, is that Apple would use the EU decision as an opportunity and would get USB-C into its phones ASAP. For me, that alone would be a worthwhile upgrade.