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MisterMillz

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Mar 12, 2011
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So tired of the regular size Pro getting the short end of the stick. I thought all that would be over when the X was released.
Agreed. Although there’s more tech in the pro compared to the regular model, it’s still disappointing that even the battery capacity is least in the lineup. I was looking forward to the 6.3” bump, but it’s virtually doing nothing for capacity’s sake.
 
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cyanite

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Apple seems to suggest it's only available on M-series. I think if A-series could do it, Apple would have implemented it by now, especially on the lower-end iPads.
Where do they suggest that? And no, the chips can *definitely* do it; it’s been done for decades. It’s strictly an OS feature. And in fact, iOS can definite do it as well (since it’s a feature in Darwin, which is shared with macOS), it’s just not enabled.
 
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goobot

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Jun 26, 2009
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It’s just physics that bigger phones can hold more hardware, so it only makes sense that they have an advantage in some hardware-related features (not all). To force both phone sizes to always be exactly equal in features would be to artificially and unnecessarily limit the potential of the bigger phone. And this is coming from someone who thinks all modern phones are too big.
Make the battery 1% smaller
 

brofkand

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Jun 11, 2006
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Awful lot of rumor spin articles today, is that to help us ride out the expectations tomorrow? :eek:

Absolutely trying to temper expectations when we get nothing more than a more expensive Pro line with overpowered silicon, a mild rev of the Air, and a new pencil with features nobody's asking for that sells for more money.
 

citysnaps

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Oct 10, 2011
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True, but the default should be more than 8 GB in the laptops.

Why? For the overwhelming majority of Apple customers (who are not tech-centric), 8 GB works just fine for those with basic laptop needs. Why make them pay more for memory they don't need?

For those who have complex computing requirements, simply specify more memory when placing your laptop order. Easy.
 

brofkand

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Jun 11, 2006
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Why? For the overwhelming majority of Apple customers (who are not tech-centric), 8 GB works just fine for those with basic laptop needs. Why make them pay more for memory they don't need?

For those who have complex computing requirements, simply specify more memory when placing your laptop order. Easy.

Why are they putting 8GB+ of RAM in a phone, which uses much lighter weight software then?
 
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bradman83

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Apple seems to suggest it's only available on M-series. I think if A-series could do it, Apple would have implemented it by now, especially on the lower-end iPads.
When virtual memory was introduced with iPadOS 16 Craig Federighi stated that the feature was limited to M1 iPads for performance reasons. The SSDs on M-series iPads are quite literally 10x faster than on the A-series iPads, even A12X/Z series iPads (that's more due to the SSD chips used than the A chip itself). Since iOS/iPadOS currently did not leverage any kind of swap and as a result had a certain responsiveness even on limited hardware Apple reasoned (rightly or wrongly) that introducing relatively slow memory swapping to flash storage would make for a worse user experience.

You can call BS on Apple's explanation (the SSDs used in A-series iPads and iPhones are still faster than spinning hard drives and SSDs from 10 years ago), but Apple explicitly stated swapping was restricted to M series iPads specifically for performance reasons and not technical reasons.

Plus Apple has a vested interest in selling you a more expensive iPad that can utilize more RAM.
 
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SRemington

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It's amazing how hard Apple keeps milking the Notch/ Dynamic Island. But on the other hand, they will want to delay Face ID and camera under display for as long as possible because then the phone's evolution would be finished, at least design-wise.
 

citysnaps

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Oct 10, 2011
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Why are they putting 8GB+ of RAM in a phone, which uses much lighter weight software then?

I don't know. Perhaps it's because A-series processors for iPhone are based on M-series processors for computers, where the minimum memory is 8 GB?
 

kerr

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Jul 12, 2010
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I'm shocked (not) that Apple would continue to push consumers up the chain and add features to Pro Max rather than both Pro models. No reason why the 17 Pro would not also get a smaller notch.
 

AlexJaye

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Jul 13, 2010
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Wowwwww... and they still sell "pro" Macs with 8gb base RAM.

What a rip-off of a company. What a joke. People will still defend 8gb RAM in "Pro" Macs, too.
 

UltimaKilo

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Nov 14, 2007
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Why? For the overwhelming majority of Apple customers (who are not tech-centric), 8 GB works just fine for those with basic laptop needs. Why make them pay more for memory they don't need?

For those who have complex computing requirements, simply specify more memory when placing your laptop order. Easy.
There’s very few people who couldn’t benefit from a bump to 12GB as the base for the Mac. Memory swap is nice, but most people buy the baseline for school and work.
 

Tagbert

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Jun 22, 2011
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More iterative, which makes you wonder why anyone should ever upgrade iPhones. Tim Cook needs to go so Apple can innovate again because clearly they’re more stale than 12 year old bread.
Phones are a mature product category. Looking around at other phones, I don’t see a lot a major changes from year to year. They are all pretty much iterations as new features are developed. Radical changes happen when a product space is new, when the technology can barely serve the needs, and when a lot of features are missing. Once those things are worked out, the rate of change drops down to a much lower rate.
 

Tagbert

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Jun 22, 2011
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Wasnt the 17 series supposed to remove the dynamic island.. all under screen??
Not according to most of the rumors we have heard here. There are several components behind that island and the rumors suggest them getting smaller and for some components to be moved under the screen over the course of several years. It turns out it is hard to get a good faceID scan or a quality selfie shot when you are shooting through the screen. That’s not just a one year project.

What you may have heard is speculation by commentators here and on other sites who can get overly enthusiastic about changes that they want.
 

LoveToMacRumors

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Feb 15, 2015
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Not according to most of the rumors we have heard here. There are several components behind that island and the rumors suggest them getting smaller and for some components to be moved under the screen over the course of several years. It turns out it is hard to get a good faceID scan or a quality selfie shot when you are shooting through the screen. That’s not just a one year project.

What you may have heard is speculation by commentators here and on other sites who can get overly enthusiastic about changes that they want.
 

shinkansenwarrior

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Sep 29, 2015
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Damn, Pro Max only for the smaller dynamic island? Guess it's going to stay with us for a while. They'll at least have one additional year of bringing it to the other Pro model and then to all the models. So much for under-display Face ID anytime soon.
Next gen probably two modals down the road will shift from smaller to "Tiny" Dynamic Island so Tim can milk the concept to death before giving us Face ID under-display.
 
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