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Some thing I am wondering. I guess a supercharged Mustang with 1500 hp is better than a ferarri because it does a qtr mile faster. Atleast that seems to be his logic.
A Ferrari that can't run more than 10 km before start throttling down to 100 km/h because its engine is overheating...
 

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Because no one is using it....
And people are using Apple pay? Lol what a joke. When you can tell me a reasonable point why Apple pay is better than Samsung pay then I will entertain you. Judging by your current logic I doubt you will be able to find a reasonable point though.
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Better mobile payment ?!?

When it is accepted everywhere, yes. It is.
Apple pay is better because "it just works". Until you go to one of the many places that it's not accepted then it doesn't work. Then the same iPhone user watches as a Samsung user uses his phone to make the payment.
 
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So Samsung have:
Better display
Design (looks / small form factor)
Waterproof
Microsd
Better camera
Fast charging
Wireless charging
Better front facing camera
Better mobile payment
Better battery life

IPhone has:
Faster processor / loading apps.

Note: not listing iOS or Android as pro or con since that is a individual preference.

All this results in "equal at best".

So I guess once a phone is faster it is better or equal to any other phone.

- "better display" - at the cost of performance for almost zero benefit outside of strapping it to your face for VR. I'll take the better performance and more true to life colours.

- "design" - you don't list iOS vs Android due to it being personal preference. WTF do you think design is?

- "waterproof" - yes it's better on a s7, it's not waterproof though, just resistant. The 6s silently added gaskets that went highly unnoticed and will no doubt be further improved on in the 7 and beyond.

- "microSD" - Samsung doesn't even take advantage of Marshmallow's new feature to blend the internal and external storage as one. Half the time you can't control what gets put where on the s7. So the 32gb only option is more limiting than the faster internal storage options iPhone has. I and most people would take faster 64-128gb (and probably soon to be 256gb) internal storage over limited to 32gb slower storage and even slower external storage that you can't dictate what goes where half the time.

- "better camera" - pretty much equal and only beats iPhone in low light because of the larger aperture and pixel size. Again, I'll take the truer to life colours the iPhone camera produces over boosting saturation from the get go that the Samsung camera does. (If I want to saturate colours I'll do it in post. I want to capture an image how I SEE it in person.)

- "faster charging" - I and many people aren't in a rush to charge a phone while I and they sleep. Who cares if you can get 0-60% quicker when 20-40% would suffice if it ever came down to "needing" a small top up in juice mid day.

- "wireless charging" - Apple is rumoured to be offering it as soon as next year (some rumours say there is a chance even this year) and with a far better technology. Possibly even true wireless through the air with no pad required. Meaning you could use the phone while charging. Keep your pads that are worse than plugging in. At least people can use a phone that's plugged in and charging vs having to stay directly on a pad.

- "better front facing camera" - congrats to Samsung for slightly better selfies. Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and a Twitter users rejoice in the selfie overload that is Samsung. Apple has a better True Tone flash using the display though.

- "better mobile payment" - only because the US is miles behind so many other countries as far as payment terminals. Once Canada banks get on board we'll have access to Apple Pay almost everywhere because contactless terminals are extremely common here and in other countries as well.

- "better battery life" s7 edge has to add almost 1000 mAh over the 6s+ to get slightly more battery life. If the 6s+ had 3600 mAh it would absolutely crush the s7. I'll take the thinner phone that still lasts a day and more.

The "equal at best" is on how the devices perform. You know, the real world stuff. Not the gimmick spec sheet padding crap.
 

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- "better camera" - pretty much equal and only beats iPhone in low light because of the larger aperture and pixel size. Again, I'll take the truer to life colours the iPhone camera produces over boosting saturation from the get go that the Samsung camera does. (If I want to saturate colours I'll do it in post. I want to capture an image how I SEE it in person.)

- "faster charging" - I and many people aren't in a rush to charge a phone while I and they sleep. Who cares if you can get 0-60% quicker when 20-40% would suffice if it ever came down to "needing" a small top up in juice mid day.

- "wireless charging" - Apple is rumoured to be offering it as soon as next year (some rumours say there is a chance even this year) and with a far better technology. Possibly even true wireless through the air with no pad required. Meaning you could use the phone while charging. Keep your pads that are worse than plugging in. At least people can use a phone that's plugged in and charging vs having to stay directly on a pad.

- "better front facing camera" - congrats to Samsung for slightly better selfies. Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and a Twitter users rejoice in the selfie overload that is Samsung. Apple has a better True Tone flash using the display though.

- "better mobile payment" - only because the US is miles behind so many other countries as far as payment terminals. Once Canada banks get on board we'll have access to Apple Pay almost everywhere because contactless terminals are extremely common here and in other countries as well.

- "better battery life" s7 edge has to add almost 1000 mAh over the 6s+ to get slightly more battery life. If the 6s+ had 3600 mAh it would absolutely crush the s7. I'll take the thinner phone that still lasts a day and more.

The "equal at best" is on how the devices perform. You know, the real world stuff. Not the gimmick spec sheet padding crap.
- "better display" - at the cost of performance for almost zero benefit outside of strapping it to your face for VR. I'll take the better performance and more true to life colours.

- "design" - you don't list iOS vs Android due to it being personal preference. WTF do you think design is?

- "waterproof" - yes it's better on a s7, it's not waterproof though, just resistant. The 6s silently added gaskets that went highly unnoticed and will no doubt be further improved on in the 7 and beyond.

- "microSD" - Samsung doesn't even take advantage of Marshmallow's new feature to blend the internal and external storage as one. Half the time you can't control what gets put where on the s7. So the 32gb only option is more limiting than the faster internal storage options iPhone has. I and most people would take faster 64-128gb (and probably soon to be 256gb) internal storage over limited to 32gb slower storage and even slower external storage that you can't dictate what goes where half the time.
Bro, you are making plenty of excuses for Apple for behind with your so-called gimmicky features.

So fast charging, wireless charging, a micro-sd slot up to 200 GB, or water-resistance without flaps is gimmicky and useless to most people? Or it only becomes useful until Apple adds it?

BTW, Samsung needs to have 3600 mAh because it is QUAD HD (1440p) vs 6s Plus' FULL HD (1080p). And the edged displays can also wake up without the primary screen being on.

I don't even like Samsung AND Apple as companies. I find them both money pigs no better than politicians. But could I still be fans of their products? Yes. Before you fanboys buy your favorite products from them, buy a clue first.
 

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- "better display" - at the cost of performance for almost zero benefit outside of strapping it to your face for VR. I'll take the better performance and more true to life colours.

- "design" - you don't list iOS vs Android due to it being personal preference. WTF do you think design is?

- "waterproof" - yes it's better on a s7, it's not waterproof though, just resistant. The 6s silently added gaskets that went highly unnoticed and will no doubt be further improved on in the 7 and beyond.

- "microSD" - Samsung doesn't even take advantage of Marshmallow's new feature to blend the internal and external storage as one. Half the time you can't control what gets put where on the s7. So the 32gb only option is more limiting than the faster internal storage options iPhone has. I and most people would take faster 64-128gb (and probably soon to be 256gb) internal storage over limited to 32gb slower storage and even slower external storage that you can't dictate what goes where half the time.

- "better camera" - pretty much equal and only beats iPhone in low light because of the larger aperture and pixel size. Again, I'll take the truer to life colours the iPhone camera produces over boosting saturation from the get go that the Samsung camera does. (If I want to saturate colours I'll do it in post. I want to capture an image how I SEE it in person.)

- "faster charging" - I and many people aren't in a rush to charge a phone while I and they sleep. Who cares if you can get 0-60% quicker when 20-40% would suffice if it ever came down to "needing" a small top up in juice mid day.

- "wireless charging" - Apple is rumoured to be offering it as soon as next year (some rumours say there is a chance even this year) and with a far better technology. Possibly even true wireless through the air with no pad required. Meaning you could use the phone while charging. Keep your pads that are worse than plugging in. At least people can use a phone that's plugged in and charging vs having to stay directly on a pad.

- "better front facing camera" - congrats to Samsung for slightly better selfies. Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and a Twitter users rejoice in the selfie overload that is Samsung. Apple has a better True Tone flash using the display though.

- "better mobile payment" - only because the US is miles behind so many other countries as far as payment terminals. Once Canada banks get on board we'll have access to Apple Pay almost everywhere because contactless terminals are extremely common here and in other countries as well.

- "better battery life" s7 edge has to add almost 1000 mAh over the 6s+ to get slightly more battery life. If the 6s+ had 3600 mAh it would absolutely crush the s7. I'll take the thinner phone that still lasts a day and more.

The "equal at best" is on how the devices perform. You know, the real world stuff. Not the gimmick spec sheet padding crap.

Saturation can be set much lower on the display. Basic Mode on Display settings is what the iPhone should be, but it's slightly undersaturated.

Same with the camera, all these video reviewers test the camera on Auto mode. You can easily go to Pro Mode and set up multiple custom settings that you can save. You can set it up not to saturate the colors and leave them more true to life. The iPhone leaves photos undersaturated. Personally I don't mind the saturation, but if I did, I can do something about it.

Link just one review that states the iPhone 6/6+ is equal or better than the S7/S7 edge camera. And you conveniently left out the amazingly instant focus and shutter speed.

Samsung Pay is more compatible than Apple Pay. Merchants don't need to change there CC terminals. Only thing Samsung Pay is behind at the moment is compatible cards, but that's growing swiftly.

Speaking on battery life. The S7 Edge is extremely closer to being on par with the 6S+ with it comes to stand-by life. With SOT life, just wait until the iPhone gets a higher resolution. ;)

Your fast charging statement is ridiculous. The majority of iPhone users would seriously embrace fast charging. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT!!!!

The wireless charging you speak of would only be a matter of up to 15 feet. Sure that's better than placing it on a pad, but not by much since you'll still need to be next to the wireless charger. I highly doubt that will be implemented to the public by Apple any time soon.

Micro SD, you can enable adoptable storage easily without any rooting. I don't know what you mean I can't control what goes on my SD card, I have full control over my card and app permissions to the card.
 

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There was a time "5.5 felt gimmicky and niche while most iPhone users thought staying at "3.5 or "4 screens below 720p resolution should be forever and ever! That was being clueless at the time when many couldn't adapt to CHANGE yet (right, Nokia & BlackBerry?). No foresight. Can't evolve with the changes. Now "5-"5.5 is practically the norm these days and "4 is for the kiddie hands. Samsung actually started the trend at popularizing bigger screens. The irony this year is they actually made a more compact phone with a "5.5 display than Apple did.
 
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- "better display" - at the cost of performance for almost zero benefit outside of strapping it to your face for VR. I'll take the better performance and more true to life colours.

- "design" - you don't list iOS vs Android due to it being personal preference. WTF do you think design is?

- "waterproof" - yes it's better on a s7, it's not waterproof though, just resistant. The 6s silently added gaskets that went highly unnoticed and will no doubt be further improved on in the 7 and beyond.

- "microSD" - Samsung doesn't even take advantage of Marshmallow's new feature to blend the internal and external storage as one. Half the time you can't control what gets put where on the s7. So the 32gb only option is more limiting than the faster internal storage options iPhone has. I and most people would take faster 64-128gb (and probably soon to be 256gb) internal storage over limited to 32gb slower storage and even slower external storage that you can't dictate what goes where half the time.

- "better camera" - pretty much equal and only beats iPhone in low light because of the larger aperture and pixel size. Again, I'll take the truer to life colours the iPhone camera produces over boosting saturation from the get go that the Samsung camera does. (If I want to saturate colours I'll do it in post. I want to capture an image how I SEE it in person.)

- "faster charging" - I and many people aren't in a rush to charge a phone while I and they sleep. Who cares if you can get 0-60% quicker when 20-40% would suffice if it ever came down to "needing" a small top up in juice mid day.

- "wireless charging" - Apple is rumoured to be offering it as soon as next year (some rumours say there is a chance even this year) and with a far better technology. Possibly even true wireless through the air with no pad required. Meaning you could use the phone while charging. Keep your pads that are worse than plugging in. At least people can use a phone that's plugged in and charging vs having to stay directly on a pad.

- "better front facing camera" - congrats to Samsung for slightly better selfies. Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and a Twitter users rejoice in the selfie overload that is Samsung. Apple has a better True Tone flash using the display though.

- "better mobile payment" - only because the US is miles behind so many other countries as far as payment terminals. Once Canada banks get on board we'll have access to Apple Pay almost everywhere because contactless terminals are extremely common here and in other countries as well.

- "better battery life" s7 edge has to add almost 1000 mAh over the 6s+ to get slightly more battery life. If the 6s+ had 3600 mAh it would absolutely crush the s7. I'll take the thinner phone that still lasts a day and more.

The "equal at best" is on how the devices perform. You know, the real world stuff. Not the gimmick spec sheet padding crap.

As I expected you went ahead and bring up your personal preferences instead of being objective. So let me counter each of your point. (keep in mind I would choose a few phones over the s7 for various reasons. Scratch that, I wouldn't even want an s7 because I like big phones).

"better display" - at the cost of performance for almost zero benefit outside of strapping it to your face for VR. I'll take the better performance and more true to life colours.
It is widely accepted that Samsung has best mobile displays. Text is much sharper. You can claim how you cant see a difference in text but others can. Last i checked, reading on mobile devices is done by EVERYONE. You can switch modes to true to life colors (have a choice, something you may not be use to). If you prefer LCD and the performance gain in using a 720p screen then fine. But objectively speaking, samsung display is better.

- "design" - you don't list iOS vs Android due to it being personal preference. WTF do you think design is?
this is where you fail to realize I said "design (looks / form factor)". Having small bezels is a part of the design right? I have never once heard someone said "I wish the bezels were bigger". Hence it is widely accepted that smaller bezels are better = better design.

- "waterproof" - yes it's better on a s7, it's not waterproof though, just resistant. The 6s silently added gaskets that went highly unnoticed and will no doubt be further improved on in the 7 and beyond.
we are comparing the current 6s, why are you bringing up the 7? So what if the 6s has added gaskets? I guess you will feel completely confident using the 6s in the rain, taking pics in the pool or using it in the bathroom right? So the benefit still goes to the s7. Please don't bring your opinion that you won't use your phone in any of those scenarios. Remember, we are trying to be objective.

- "microSD" - Samsung doesn't even take advantage of Marshmallow's new feature to blend the internal and external storage as one. Half the time you can't control what gets put where on the s7. So the 32gb only option is more limiting than the faster internal storage options iPhone has. I and most people would take faster 64-128gb (and probably soon to be 256gb) internal storage over limited to 32gb slower storage and even slower external storage that you can't dictate what goes where half the time.
"I and most people would take faster 64-128 GB internal storage...". Most people? I guess that is why last year samsung sold more 32 GB than any other model right? Also why iphone sells more 16GB models right? Listen, I would take 64-128 gb internal all day over microsd...if it was free. MOST people would do the same, if it was free. However once you include a premium of $100+, most people would go with the microsd. Also it is easy to enable the marshmallow adoptable storage feature if you want.

- "better camera" - pretty much equal and only beats iPhone in low light because of the larger aperture and pixel size. Again, I'll take the truer to life colours the iPhone camera produces over boosting saturation from the get go that the Samsung camera does. (If I want to saturate colours I'll do it in post. I want to capture an image how I SEE it in person.)
The s7 beast the 6s in every scenario, not just low light. Again, there is this thing called CHOICE. You don't want the boosting of saturation? Take a RAW image. The iPhone can't take RAW images right?

- "faster charging" - I and many people aren't in a rush to charge a phone while I and they sleep. Who cares if you can get 0-60% quicker when 20-40% would suffice if it ever came down to "needing" a small top up in juice mid day.
wow the bias is real. So because YOU don't care about fast charging no one should? Then you go ahead and say "Most people" basing your opinion on nothing. Well many people live a busy life, I as well as many people would love if their phone would charge in 1 minute. It is about convenience. Instead of charging my phone overnight I usually just charge it when I wake up. For the days when people forget to charge their phone overnight they can quickly charge it in the morning. What about when you thought it was plugged in and it wasn't? I really cant believe someone says who cares about faster charging, seriously?

- "wireless charging" - Apple is rumoured to be offering it as soon as next year (some rumours say there is a chance even this year) and with a far better technology. Possibly even true wireless through the air with no pad required. Meaning you could use the phone while charging. Keep your pads that are worse than plugging in. At least people can use a phone that's plugged in and charging vs having to stay directly on a pad.
again we are comparing the 6s and s7. Remember you're the one that said "the s7 is equal at best to the 6s. I countered and asked you how could you make such a statement. So why are you bringing up rumours about the iphone 7? The galaxy s8 is rumoured to never need to charge. Sure beats wireless charging through the air doesn't it?

- "better front facing camera" - congrats to Samsung for slightly better selfies. Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and a Twitter users rejoice in the selfie overload that is Samsung. Apple has a better True Tone flash using the display though.
Again knocking one of the s7 benefits because it beats the 6s. If you haven't realize, consumers value selfies alot.

- "better mobile payment" - only because the US is miles behind so many other countries as far as payment terminals. Once Canada banks get on board we'll have access to Apple Pay almost everywhere because contactless terminals are extremely common here and in other countries as well.
You do know the s7 has nfc for contactless payment too right? No matter how you twist it, samsung pay is currently better.

- "better battery life" s7 edge has to add almost 1000 mAh over the 6s+ to get slightly more battery life. If the 6s+ had 3600 mAh it would absolutely crush the s7. I'll take the thinner phone that still lasts a day and more.
Lol oh my my my, we were comparing the 6s and s7. Why are you telling me about the 6s+? Who cares what the size of the battery is? Once it charges fast, phone is comfy in your hands (not too heavy or thick), then it could be 999999 mah for all I care.

So for a comparison between the 6s and s7, you brought up the 6s+ and iphone 7 to try and help your argument. Good job.
 

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So Samsung have:
Better display
Design (looks / small form factor)
Waterproof
Microsd
Better camera
Fast charging
Wireless charging
Better front facing camera
Better mobile payment
Better battery life

IPhone has:
Faster processor / loading apps.

Note: not listing iOS or Android as pro or con since that is a individual preference.

All this results in "equal at best".

So I guess once a phone is faster it is better or equal to any other phone.
Seems like battery life was mentioned as not being better compared to the similarly sized 6s Plus at least which seems to be a closer equivalent to it. (Otherwise we are simply saying a bigger battery in a bigger phone will provide more power, which is true, but that doesn't make that battery better, it's just bigger because the phone is bigger and that's essentially it).

Design is fairly subjective so it's a fairly moot point.

That said, seems like this thread was started and is about the "performance" aspect of it all, which is what the focus has been.
 

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There was a time "5.5 felt gimmicky and niche while most iPhone users thought staying at "3.5 or "4 screens below 720p resolution should be forever and ever! That was being clueless at the time when many couldn't adapt to CHANGE yet (right, Nokia & BlackBerry?). No foresight. Can't evolve with the changes. Now "5-"5.5 is practically the norm these days and "4 is for the kiddie hands. Samsung actually started the trend at popularizing bigger screens. The irony this year is they actually made a more compact phone with a "5.5 display than Apple did.

Good point! Now when you mention fast charging it is a gimmick according to @lagwagon. However when the iPhone 7 is rumoured to remove the headphone jack it is Apple having foresight according to @lagwagon.
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Seems like battery life was mentioned as not being better compared to the similarly sized 6s Plus at least.

Design is fairly subjective so it's a fairly moot point.

That said, seems like this thread was started and is about the "performance" aspect of it all, which is what the focus has been.
I am comparing s7 to 6s. Not 6s+.

When I mentioned design I am referring to smaller bezels which is a part of the design. I think it is safe to say majority would prefer smaller bezels.

I also have agreed that the 6s performance is the best on the market when it comes to loading apps. Even wih a 2k screen I think the 6s would still be faster. I am not the type to make excuses like "oh because it has a qhd makes it slower". My point was raised when someone implied that a faster phone = best. when there is many more aspects of a phone that should be taken into account. Don't you agree?
 
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Good point! Now when you mention fast charging it is a gimmick according to @lagwagon. However when the iPhone 7 is rumoured to remove the headphone jack it is Apple having foresight according to @lagwagon.
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I am comparing s7 to 6s. Not 6s+.

When I mentioned design I am referring to smaller bezels which is a part of the design. I think it is safe to say majority would prefer smaller bezels.

I also have agreed that the 6s performance is the best on the market when it comes to loading apps. My point was raised when someone implied that a faster phone = best. when there is many more aspects of a phone that should be taken into account. Don't you agree?
I don't know, seems like the 6s Plus would be a closer comparison than the 6s.

As far as design, you are focusing on one specific item like the bezels and saying that the whole design is therefore better because they are smaller. There's much more to design than just that and someone else might find the overall design of another phone better than another one that has smaller bezels.

And I certainly agree about many aspects of the phone going into what's overall better (as it links to what I mentioned above)--I was pointing out that the focus here has been performance. For someone that might value performancr above all else (and/or doesn't care much about various other aspects) perhaps that's what would drive their decision. The full overall part is a much bigger discussion that has a good amount of subjectivity to it as well based on what people want and need and care about, and really it's one that's happening in a number of other threads.
 

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I don't know, seems like the 6s Plus would be a closer comparison than the 6s.

As far as design, you are focusing on one specific item like the bezels and saying that the whole design is therefore better because they are smaller. There's much more to design than just that and someone else might find the overall design of another phone better than another one that has smaller bezels.

And I certainly agree about many aspects of the phone going into what's overall better (as it links to what I mentioned above)--I was pointing out that the focus here has been performance. For someone that might value performancr above all else (and/or doesn't care much about various other aspects) perhaps that's what would drive their decision. The full overall part is a much bigger discussion that has a good amount of subjectivity to it as well based on what people want and need and care about, and really it's one that's happening in a number of other threads.

Why would the 6s plus be a better comparison? The S7 is directly aimed at the 6s. The s7 edge is aimed at the 6s plus. If you think the S7 is a closer comparison to the 6s plus, then what should the s7 edge be compared to? remember the dimensions of the s7 is almost the same as the 6s.

Design is subject, we both know that. The only thing objectively that we can agree on in design is bezels and perhaps thinness (not too thin not too thick). Hence why I mention only bezels since I wanted to keep it objective. If we include the whole design itself, all objectivity is lost.

Yep that is true. No doubt, if performance is the only factor the 6s wins hands down. Unless you include "true multitasking". However I usually don't bring this up as an advantage to android. Since my belief is that most consumers don't want / need true multitasking on their phone. It is just an excuse android users to say why their phone might be slower...atleast that is how I view it.
 

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- "better display" - at the cost of performance for almost zero benefit outside of strapping it to your face for VR. I'll take the better performance and more true to life colours.

- "design" - you don't list iOS vs Android due to it being personal preference. WTF do you think design is?

- "waterproof" - yes it's better on a s7, it's not waterproof though, just resistant. The 6s silently added gaskets that went highly unnoticed and will no doubt be further improved on in the 7 and beyond.

- "microSD" - Samsung doesn't even take advantage of Marshmallow's new feature to blend the internal and external storage as one. Half the time you can't control what gets put where on the s7. So the 32gb only option is more limiting than the faster internal storage options iPhone has. I and most people would take faster 64-128gb (and probably soon to be 256gb) internal storage over limited to 32gb slower storage and even slower external storage that you can't dictate what goes where half the time.

- "better camera" - pretty much equal and only beats iPhone in low light because of the larger aperture and pixel size. Again, I'll take the truer to life colours the iPhone camera produces over boosting saturation from the get go that the Samsung camera does. (If I want to saturate colours I'll do it in post. I want to capture an image how I SEE it in person.)

- "faster charging" - I and many people aren't in a rush to charge a phone while I and they sleep. Who cares if you can get 0-60% quicker when 20-40% would suffice if it ever came down to "needing" a small top up in juice mid day.

- "wireless charging" - Apple is rumoured to be offering it as soon as next year (some rumours say there is a chance even this year) and with a far better technology. Possibly even true wireless through the air with no pad required. Meaning you could use the phone while charging. Keep your pads that are worse than plugging in. At least people can use a phone that's plugged in and charging vs having to stay directly on a pad.

- "better front facing camera" - congrats to Samsung for slightly better selfies. Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and a Twitter users rejoice in the selfie overload that is Samsung. Apple has a better True Tone flash using the display though.

- "better mobile payment" - only because the US is miles behind so many other countries as far as payment terminals. Once Canada banks get on board we'll have access to Apple Pay almost everywhere because contactless terminals are extremely common here and in other countries as well.

- "better battery life" s7 edge has to add almost 1000 mAh over the 6s+ to get slightly more battery life. If the 6s+ had 3600 mAh it would absolutely crush the s7. I'll take the thinner phone that still lasts a day and more.

The "equal at best" is on how the devices perform. You know, the real world stuff. Not the gimmick spec sheet padding crap.

All I have to say is, don't complain about others when you put out such an opinionated non-factual nearing trollish levels post. Dismissing fast charging as gimmick? Wow. I'm honestly having a hard time believing you just posted this. Please tell me you got a bit carried away and you didn't mean this, I'll undestand ;)
 
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Why would the 6s plus be a better comparison? The S7 is directly aimed at the 6s. The s7 edge is aimed at the 6s plus. If you think the S7 is a closer comparison to the 6s plus, then what should the s7 edge be compared to? remember the dimensions of the s7 is almost the same as the 6s.

Design is subject, we both know that. The only thing objectively that we can agree on in design is bezels and perhaps thinness (not too thin not too thick). Hence why I mention only bezels since I wanted to keep it objective. If we include the whole design itself, all objectivity is lost.

Yep that is true. No doubt, if performance is the only factor the 6s wins hands down. Unless you include "true multitasking". However I usually don't bring this up as an advantage to android. Since my belief is that most consumers don't want / need true multitasking on their phone. It is just an excuse android users to say why their phone might be slower...atleast that is how I view it.
I'm still in the mindset of what this particular thread is about with the Galaxy S7 Edge vs iPhone 6s Plus comparison, which is why I was brining up the Plus. (Seems like as the thread kept on going it all got jumbled up and really became more of a Samsung vs Apple thing, as it often does.)
 

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Saturation can be set much lower on the display. Basic Mode on Display settings is what the iPhone should be, but it's slightly undersaturated.

Same with the camera, all these video reviewers test the camera on Auto mode. You can easily go to Pro Mode and set up multiple custom settings that you can save. You can set it up not to saturate the colors and leave them more true to life. The iPhone leaves photos undersaturated. Personally I don't mind the saturation, but if I did, I can do something about it.

Link just one review that states the iPhone 6/6+ is equal or better than the S7/S7 edge camera. And you conveniently left out the amazingly instant focus and shutter speed.

Samsung Pay is more compatible than Apple Pay. Merchants don't need to change there CC terminals. Only thing Samsung Pay is behind at the moment is compatible cards, but that's growing swiftly.

Speaking on battery life. The S7 Edge is extremely closer to being on par with the 6S+ with it comes to stand-by life. With SOT life, just wait until the iPhone gets a higher resolution. ;)

Your fast charging statement is ridiculous. The majority of iPhone users would seriously embrace fast charging. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT!!!!

The wireless charging you speak of would only be a matter of up to 15 feet. Sure that's better than placing it on a pad, but not by much since you'll still need to be next to the wireless charger. I highly doubt that will be implemented to the public by Apple any time soon.

Micro SD, you can enable adoptable storage easily without any rooting. I don't know what you mean I can't control what goes on my SD card, I have full control over my card and app permissions to the card.
Don't enable people like this. No matter what you say or show, it will make no difference. Until Apple adds the features in Android or hardware features from Android OEM's it's a gimmick or garbage. I remember when the zealots proclaimed LTE was not needed or how the 3.5" form factor was perfect or how NFC was useless or how a notification center and widgets were gimmicky, and so on ad nauseum.
 

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I'm still in the mindset of what this particular thread is about with the Galaxy S7 Edge vs iPhone 6s Plus comparison, which is why I was brining up the Plus. (Seems like as the thread kept on going it all got jumbled up and really became more of a Samsung vs Apple thing, as it often does.)

oh woops lol. I didn't even realize the thread title said 6s plus. Well I agree, iPhone 6s+ > s7 when it comes to performance. No matter how small the difference may be in day to day usage.
 
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All I have to say is, don't complain about others when you put out such an opinionated non-factual nearing trollish levels post. Dismissing fast charging as gimmick? Wow. I'm honestly having a hard time believe you just posted this. Please tell me you got a bit carried away and you didn't mean this, I'll undestand ;)
The iPhone does have fast charging 2.0 built in. Ironically, I doubt these same people extolling fast charging know this.
 
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Saturation can be set much lower on the display. Basic Mode on Display settings is what the iPhone should be, but it's slightly undersaturated.

Same with the camera, all these video reviewers test the camera on Auto mode. You can easily go to Pro Mode and set up multiple custom settings that you can save. You can set it up not to saturate the colors and leave them more true to life. The iPhone leaves photos undersaturated. Personally I don't mind the saturation, but if I did, I can do something about it.

Link just one review that states the iPhone 6/6+ is equal or better than the S7/S7 edge camera. And you conveniently left out the amazingly instant focus and shutter speed.

Samsung Pay is more compatible than Apple Pay. Merchants don't need to change there CC terminals. Only thing Samsung Pay is behind at the moment is compatible cards, but that's growing swiftly.

Speaking on battery life. The S7 Edge is extremely closer to being on par with the 6S+ with it comes to stand-by life. With SOT life, just wait until the iPhone gets a higher resolution. ;)

Your fast charging statement is ridiculous. The majority of iPhone users would seriously embrace fast charging. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT!!!!

The wireless charging you speak of would only be a matter of up to 15 feet. Sure that's better than placing it on a pad, but not by much since you'll still need to be next to the wireless charger. I highly doubt that will be implemented to the public by Apple any time soon.

Micro SD, you can enable adoptable storage easily without any rooting. I don't know what you mean I can't control what goes on my SD card, I have full control over my card and app permissions to the card.

Colour reproduction is mostly left to the quality of the optics. The fact Samsung needs to do it via software to lessen saturation or purposely boosts saturation is bad.

Faster shutter? I think you're confusing larger aperture as faster shutter. Larger aperture is said as "faster" because it lets in more light not because it has a faster shutter.

Merchants need to change their terminals because the US is far behind other countries. Apple Pay may not be as widely available in the US, but that's an issue of the US very slow to update terminals. Contactless is far more common and been widely adopted already in most stores in other countries outside the US. If Canadian banks got off their butt and accepted Apple Pay it would be usable almost everywhere regardless of having the "Apple Pay" stamp of approval on Apple's website. Also I'm pretty sure Samsung Pay isn't available in Canada either. Making your payment argument moot. Because not everyone lives on the US.

Yeah the Edge is on par or only slightly better then the 6s+. That's the point. It needs to have almost 1000 mAh more just to compete. Apple was wiser to not go overboard (yet) on resolution that drains battery. And screen alone isn't the only issue either. iPhones only need to power two CPU cores and still beat the 4 and 8 cores. iOS is far better at managing the battery than Android+TouchWiz+overloading specs.

Having something charge a little quicker is just a luxury feature that is almost an non issue to begin with. This thread and the comparison this thread is about are between the s7 edge and 6s+. Both get through the day with 20-50% remaining on average. Something that charges quicker while you sleep doesn't matter. In a pinch for a quick 10mins charge, both would probably give a suffice amount. It doesn't make the s7 a better phone because of it.

Wireless charging. You do realize that it would be 15ft radius, which is a 30ft circumference, which would cover just about any room fully. The company that developed the technology is said to have partnered with Apple. The technology is pretty much ready. It will come sooner than you think. Plugging in is still better than a pad because you can still use the device.

Every review of the s7 says it doesn't use Marshmallow's adoptive storage, and not everything can be dictated on where to store it.
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All I have to say is, don't complain about others when you put out such an opinionated non-factual nearing trollish levels post. Dismissing fast charging as gimmick? Wow. I'm honestly having a hard time believe you just posted this. Please tell me you got a bit carried away and you didn't mean this, I'll undestand ;)

Sorry, I didn't add any conspiracy theories to make what I wrote valid.

Fast charging promotes impatient behaviour. Impatient behaviour can lead to over aggressive driving. Over aggressive driving can lead to car accidents.

So Samsung advocates deaths in car accidents. Apple is zen ;)
 
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Colour reproduction is mostly left to the quality of the optics. The fact Samsung needs to do it via software to lessen saturation or purposely boosts saturation is bad.

You're blaming the optics now? It's already established that the saturation is software. So what's so bad about custom software settings? iPhone's camera any differ? I think not. Realize we do have a choice to shoot RAW images.

Faster shutter? I think you're confusing larger aperture as faster shutter. Larger aperture is said as "faster" because it lets in more light not because it has a faster shutter.

Fast is fast is fast. Regardless of my caveman terminology. ;)


Merchants need to change their terminals because the US is far behind other countries. Apple Pay may not be as widely available in the US, but that's an issue of the US very slow to update terminals. Contactless is far more common and been widely adopted already in most stores in other countries outside the US. If Canadian banks got off their butt and accepted Apple Pay it would be usable almost everywhere regardless of having the "Apple Pay" stamp of approval on Apple's website. Also I'm pretty sure Samsung Pay isn't available in Canada either. Making your payment argument moot. Because not everyone lives on the US.

Both are still at the infancy stage regardless of how well they are advertised.

"Samsung announced at their CES 2016 press conference that Samsung Pay is expanding to three more countries. Australia, Singapore and Brazil will join the UK, Spain and China (and that’s not to mention the US and Korea where it’s already being used) in being able to pay for goods using nothing but their smartphones."
http://phandroid.com/2016/01/05/samsung-pay-expansion/

They did that cause not everyone lives in Canada. :p


Yeah the Edge is on par or only slightly better then the 6s+. That's the point. It needs to have almost 1000 mAh more just to compete. Apple was wiser to not go overboard (yet) on resolution that drains battery. And screen alone isn't the only issue either. iPhones only need to power two CPU cores and still beat the 4 and 8 cores. iOS is far better at managing the battery than Android+TouchWiz+overloading specs.

I don't give a damn how it's done, as long as the end results are to my liking. If it takes more ram, mAh, CPU/GPU, and etc, to make the S7/S7 Edge and future models run amazing while keeping all the software features and hardware benefits, then so be it. I don't see how that's a complaint, when Samsung was able to do all that and still provide us with a smaller overall profile compared to the iPhone and other manufacturer's phones.

If the Note 6 packs 6gb ram(as rumored), why should I care if the end results are nothing but satisfying?


Having something charge a little quicker is just a luxury feature that is almost an non issue to begin with. This thread and the comparison this thread is about are between the s7 edge and 6s+. Both get through the day with 20-50% remaining on average. Something that charges quicker while you sleep doesn't matter. In a pinch for a quick 10mins charge, both would probably give a suffice amount. It doesn't make the s7 a better phone because of it.

I'll take it you never used Fast Charging. It seriously makes a difference. If my phone is near dead in the morning, and I fast charge it, it will usually be near or topped off by the time it takes me to get ready, which doesn't take me long. Without fast charging it wouldn't be close to 100%. I'm speaking from experience.


Wireless charging. You do realize that it would be 15ft radius, which is a 30ft circumference, which would cover just about any room fully. The company that developed the technology is said to have partnered with Apple. The technology is pretty much ready. It will come sooner than you think. Plugging in is still better than a pad because you can still use the device.

So your going to run a long extension cord, just to place the wireless charger in the middle of the room, in order to have a 30ft circumference to cover the whole room?

Every review of the s7 says it doesn't use Marshmallow's adoptive storage, and not everything can be dictated on where to store it.

It doesn't support adoptive storage out the box. But it exists. Just search for more info. It's even mentioned in the S7 thread.

And yes, there are rules to how certain apps are written where to store things. This is nothing new. It's no different then trying to store and run Cortana from Windows 10 or the App Store from OSX from a USB stick. That would be a headache and will most likely cause issues or just will not work.
 

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Colour reproduction is mostly left to the quality of the optics. The fact Samsung needs to do it via software to lessen saturation or purposely boosts saturation is bad.

Faster shutter? I think you're confusing larger aperture as faster shutter. Larger aperture is said as "faster" because it lets in more light not because it has a faster shutter.

Merchants need to change their terminals because the US is far behind other countries. Apple Pay may not be as widely available in the US, but that's an issue of the US very slow to update terminals. Contactless is far more common and been widely adopted already in most stores in other countries outside the US. If Canadian banks got off their butt and accepted Apple Pay it would be usable almost everywhere regardless of having the "Apple Pay" stamp of approval on Apple's website. Also I'm pretty sure Samsung Pay isn't available in Canada either. Making your payment argument moot. Because not everyone lives on the US.

Yeah the Edge is on par or only slightly better then the 6s+. That's the point. It needs to have almost 1000 mAh more just to compete. Apple was wiser to not go overboard (yet) on resolution that drains battery. And screen alone isn't the only issue either. iPhones only need to power two CPU cores and still beat the 4 and 8 cores. iOS is far better at managing the battery than Android+TouchWiz+overloading specs.

Having something charge a little quicker is just a luxury feature that is almost an non issue to begin with. This thread and the comparison this thread is about are between the s7 edge and 6s+. Both get through the day with 20-50% remaining on average. Something that charges quicker while you sleep doesn't matter. In a pinch for a quick 10mins charge, both would probably give a suffice amount. It doesn't make the s7 a better phone because of it.

Wireless charging. You do realize that it would be 15ft radius, which is a 30ft circumference, which would cover just about any room fully. The company that developed the technology is said to have partnered with Apple. The technology is pretty much ready. It will come sooner than you think. Plugging in is still better than a pad because you can still use the device.

Every review of the s7 says it doesn't use Marshmallow's adoptive storage, and not everything can be dictated on where to store it.
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Sorry, I didn't add any conspiracy theories to make what I wrote valid.

Fast charging promotes impatient behaviour. Impatient behaviour can lead to over aggressive driving. Over aggressive driving can lead to car accidents.

So Samsung advocates deaths in car accidents. Apple is more zen ;)
I'll answer in order:

Color reproduction: Don't care how it is done. But according to DXO, the S7 has the best camera and photo's. I'll let their expertise trump yours. The iPhone 6S+ doesn't even make the top 5. Additionally, the S7 is using DSLR tech in using every pixel to focus, hence near instantaneous focusing.

Apple Pay, Samsung Pay and Android Pay: As you said, it is a moot point. Where you live and what bank you use can dictate which service you can use. Until digital wallets and credits become standard, this will benefit some and not others.

Battery: Bigger is almost always better. If Apple would stop trying to make the iPhone waffer thin, they could have a phone with a battery that lasts for days! Just imagine if the iPhone 7 was 1mm thicker. You could have a completely flat back (no camera protrusion) and a battery more than double the current capacity (assuming Apple keeps the antiquated 1080p LCD screen).

Fast charging: As I said, the iPhone already has it. Why do you think people are telling you to use the iPad charger for the iPhone? Because the iPhone has quick charging 2.0 equivalent. It isn't as fast as Qualcomms version, but close enough.

Wireless charging: You haven't used it, hence your statement. Fast wireless charging is even better (I love it on my S7e), but no point in telling you about it. Better for you to live in ignorance.
As for your comment regarding Apple and another company creating "true" wireless charging at 15 feet. For one, no it isn't close. Federal regulations regarding safety from em sources, plus EPA/FCC red tape, not to mention years of human reactionary studies mean this won't be usable for at least half a decade, if that. Then you have to look at the physics of transmission over air and you have a very inefficient model.

Adoptable Storage: Yes, the S7 actually does have it. The code was hidden from consumers because it really is not beneficial for phones like the S7 or G5. The micro SD cards that are under $100 aren't fast enough to augment the internal storage. I happen to have a 128gb UHS-II/U3 card that could be used as Adaptable, but I have found it is better to utilize it as standard storage. I can put my apps, vids and music on it without issue. The only apps I can't put on the SD card are those that are built in to the UI and OS.

P.S. Not sure you have ever used an Android phone or tablet. Your knowledge on the subject of how and where you can place files is woefully inadequate.
 

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Was intending to wait for a different phone but picked up the S7 Edge iPhone killer today to satisfy my curiosity.

I use my phone more like a PC so this is what I consider real multitasking running three foreground apps (Sky Force game, Twitch.tv, movie) along with three background apps (DavDrive file server, BubbleUPnP media server streaming a movie to my laptop, JuiceSSH best SSH client on any mobile platform) all running smoothly. All background apps were still running after finishing game. iPhone can't touch this since it's limited to one foreground app and zero background app.

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You're blaming the optics now? It's already established that the saturation is software. So what's so bad about custom software settings? iPhone's camera any differ? I think not. Realize we do have a choice to shoot RAW images.



Fast is fast is fast. Regardless of my caveman terminology. ;)




Both are still at the infancy stage regardless of how well they are advertised.

"Samsung announced at their CES 2016 press conference that Samsung Pay is expanding to three more countries. Australia, Singapore and Brazil will join the UK, Spain and China (and that’s not to mention the US and Korea where it’s already being used) in being able to pay for goods using nothing but their smartphones."
http://phandroid.com/2016/01/05/samsung-pay-expansion/

They did that cause not everyone lives in Canada. :p




I don't give a damn how it's done, as long as the end results are to my liking. If it takes more ram, mAh, CPU/GPU, and etc, to make the S7/S7 Edge and future models run amazing while keeping all the software features and hardware benefits, then so be it. I don't see how that's a complaint, when Samsung was able to do all that and still provide us with a smaller overall profile compared to the iPhone and other manufacturer's phones.

If the Note 6 packs 6gb ram(as rumored), why should I care if the end results are nothing but satisfying?




I'll take it you never used Fast Charging. It seriously makes a difference. If my phone is near dead in the morning, and I fast charge it, it will usually be near or topped off by the time it takes me to get ready, which doesn't take me long. Without fast charging it wouldn't be close to 100%. I'm speaking from experience.




So your going to run a long extension cord, just to place the wireless charger in the middle of the room, in order to have a 30ft circumference to cover the whole room?



It doesn't support adoptive storage out the box. But it exists. Just search for more info. It's even mentioned in the S7 thread.

And yes, there are rules to how certain apps are written where to store things. This is nothing new. It's no different then trying to store and run Cortana from Windows 10 or the App Store from OSX from a USB stick. That would be a headache and will most likely cause issues or just will not work.

No one who cares at all about photos wants saturation straight from the camera. It's not natural looking. Why do you think colour reproduction is one of the top areas camera lenses (like any Canon L series lens) are tested for.

"Fast is fast is fast" Except for aperture itself isn't exactly speed. It just lets in more light that allows to maintain something like 1/60s in a bit lower light before having to go into less handheld acceptable shutter speeds of say 1/30s or 1/15s. It does not make shutter speed of the camera itself quicker.

Sure Samsung can cram all those specs into a smaller footprint but it throttles because it overheats. Even with it's fancy new "liquid cooling" that supposed to be "an air conditioner for your phone" it still can't keep it cool enough to not throttle. That's straight up poor engineering for a device to even throttle to begin with. I'll take the phone that can run at full capacity all the time and doesn't need to over spec the crap out of it just to brute force into barely equal performance (which ends up being counter productive because it throttles.)

Wouldn't need to run "long extension cords" place a beacon or whatever on an end table in a room, it will cover most the room (or at least where you would be sitting) and you could still use it and not have to leave it on a pad. A 30ft area around the transmitter and usable is miles better than 0ft and not usable.

I'm done going back n' forth with you, as it's not even on topic to the thread. The thread is about performance between s7 edge and 6s+ and the video the OP linked. Which has hilariously made the Samboys foam at the mouth in anger.
 
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No one who cares at all about photos wants saturation straight from the camera. It's not natural looking. Why do you think colour reproduction is one of the top areas camera lenses (like any Canon L series lens) are tested for.

"Fast is fast is fast" Except for aperture itself isn't exactly speed. It just lets in more light that allows to maintain something like 1/60s in a bit lower light before having to go into less handheld acceptable shutter speeds of say 1/30s or 1/15s. It does not make shutter speed of the camera itself quicker.

Sure Samsung can cram all those specs into a smaller footprint but it throttles because it overheats. Even with it's fancy new "liquid cooling" that supposed to be "an air conditioner for your phone" it still can't keep it cool enough to not throttle. That's straight up poor engineering for a device to even throttle to begin with. I'll take the phone that can run at full capacity all the time and doesn't need to over spec the crap out of it just to brute force into barely equal performance (which ends up being counter productive because it throttles.)

Wouldn't need to run "long extension cords" place a beacon or whatever on an end table in a room, it will cover most the room (or at least where you would be sitting) and you could still use it and not have to leave it on a pad. A 30ft area around the transmitter and usable is miles better than 0ft and not usable.

I'm done going back n' forth with you, as it's not even on topic to the thread. The thread is about performance between s7 edge and 6s+ and the video the OP linked. Which has hilariously made the Samboys foam at the mouth in anger.
Please enlighten us on camera colors and saturation. Why does DXOmark give the S7e the top spot, while the iPhone doesn't even make the top 5? Link: http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Samsung-Galaxy-S7-edge-Mobile-Review-A-new-champion

And your snide remarks about overheating and throttling are complete and utter lies. Why are you talking out of your a55? Link: http://www.xda-developers.com/s7-ed...rk-stress-tests-of-sd820-810-808-exynos-7420/

In fact, the S7e was cooler than the 6S+ by 5°F at the end of the GPU test, with no throttling noted. The iPhone ended the test hotter than all 5 Android phones in the test! Go figure. If you don't want to read the article, I included pictures for you.
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