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Tsepz

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I am fairly certain that it is a feature baked into the OS, that it can use LTE or cellular connection at the same time as Wifi. Much like our wifi assist only on all the time. The feature came after I left android, so sometime after September 2014.

EDIT: It is a Samsung specific feature, called download booster.
This is what it would like when using DB.
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You do realize that recording them at different times is completely irrelevant when the test is time based and tracked with a stopwatch right? Recording something separately and then putting them side by side doesn't suddenly add 40 seconds to one or make the other 40 seconds faster. Samsung must be paying you overtime for these conspiracies.
lol you dont find the fact the 6s is 1 minute faster ridiculous?
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It's usefulness wasn't the point?
The point is if the Edge screen is a gimmick,then so is 3D Touch except you know people actually USE the Edge screen
 
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lol you dont find the fact the 6s is 1 minute faster ridiculous?
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The point is if the Edge screen is a gimmick,then so is 3D Touch except you know people actually USE the Edge screen
Don't really see that as the point that was being made, unless perhaps it was done in some roundabout way where who knows of that was even the point. In any case, how does that change people arguing that 3D Touch isn't useful and is basically a gimmick then?
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No it wasn't. I was giving an example to MaxIT who said Apple's implementation is always better than all others. 3DT was my example.
So there's a better implementation of 3D Touch on another phone? In what ways is it better on Galaxy S7 or another Samsung phone, for example?
 
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lol you dont find the fact the 6s is 1 minute faster ridiculous?

No, not ridiculous at all. Quite expected, knowing A series chips.

The Apple A9 chip (and any A series chip) is crazy strong in the single core. Which is what is mostly used for a lot tasks. Combine that with the faster flash. No 4 or 8 core from snapdragon or exynos can compare. More cores equals weaker single core. Which is why Apple stays with two (the only oddball being the A8X having three.) They understand what actually matters from a chip and don't cram in cores to look good on paper.
 

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Don't really see that as the point that was being made, unless perhaps it was done in some roundabout way where who knows of that was even the point. In any case, how does that change people arguing that 3D Touch isn't useful and is basically a gimmick then?
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So there's a better implementation of 3D Touch on another phone? In what ways is it better on Galaxy S7 or another Samsung phone, for example?
You missed the point and now jump in without context. I replied to a post insinuating Apple always implements features better than everyone else.
I gave 3DT as an example of not so good a feature implementation.
 

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You missed the point and now jump in without context. I replied to a post insinuating Apple always implements features better than everyone else.
I gave 3DT as an example of not so good a feature implementation.
You seem to be mostly deflecting. Compared to what other implementation of 3D Touch?
 
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No it wasn't. I was giving an example to MaxIT who said Apple's implementation is always better than all others. 3DT was my example of not so good implementation.

Uhhhh he was talking about how Apple will better implement a wrap around screen (see screenshot.) This is how Apple could be implementing it based off patents. Notice how the full 5.5" stays flat and usable while the extra .3" is used for the wrap arounds vs Samsung cutting part of the usable 5.5" and wrapping it. In effect reducing the 5.5" screen.

Show me a Samsung that has better implementation of 3D Touch. More and more apps have been updating with 3D Touch support. Quite a few big company apps have just over the last 2-3 weeks. 9.3 adds more for iOS apps. 3D Touch doesn't stop at the screen. They are working on 3D Touch home button. the technology goes beyond just on screen, it can remove the need of physical buttons.
 

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Radon87000

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Love topics like this, lets forget the Samsung has a much Higher Res Display, and an OS that has a lot more going on the background, despite that it does a great job at keeping up with a phone that is a lot more simple and nowhere near as capable.
Another thing to note is that Apple employs clever tactics to make it seem as if some apps havent reloaded.It saves a screenshot of the app and whilst the animation of the app being zoomed in is bein show,its already reloaded that app.iOS has very convenient slow animations
 
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Another thing to note is that Apple employs clever tactics to make it seem as if some apps havent reloaded.It saves a screenshot of the app and whilst the animation of the app being zoomed in is bein show,its already reloaded that app.iOS has very convenient slow animations

Or you know. It's the known fact that Samsung can't even manage 4gb of RAM efficiently vs 2gb Apple uses.

Your made up conspiracy theories continue...
 

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Uhhhh he was talking about how Apple will better implement a wrap around screen (see screenshot.) This is how Apple could be implementing it based off patents. Notice how the full 5.5" stays flat and usable while the extra .3" is used for the wrap arounds vs Samsung cutting part of the usable 5.5" and wrapping it. In effect reducing the 5.5" screen.

Show me a Samsung that has better implementation of 3D Touch. More and more apps have been updating with 3D Touch support. Quite a few big company apps have just over the last 2-3 weeks. 9.3 adds more for iOS apps. 3D Touch doesn't stop at the screen. They are working on 3D Touch home button. the technology goes beyond just on screen, it can remove the need of physical buttons.
try to keep up with the conversation and get context.
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I don't know if it's going to happen, but I'm quite sure Apple implementation will be much better as usual
apple doesn't always implement features well. 3DT is a prime example of it....what it will be is speculation at best. What is it now is what i commented on.
I have never said Samsung or anyone else has 3DT....please show me where i said that?
As to your speculation of what 3DT will be in the future and how it will evolve....i look forward to seeing it!
 
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Apple submitted the patent in 2011 or 2012, well before Samsung launched their first curved display...

Its irrelevant who had the patent first.Who put it on the market FIRST is whats important.Microsoft has a crap ton of very cool patents thanks to Nokia which are completely irrelvant as they never made it into a finished product

Lol... Yes it must be that... The benchmark said otherwise but if Radon says that his S6 (let me sum up: you have an iPhone , an A8, an S6 and an S7 edge... Cool) doesn't throttle it must be true.

I dont run benchmarks all day.I actually,you know,USE my device.I am sure on my gaming rig if I run the Prime95 stress test for more than 48 hours continous it will eventually throttle at some point.That does not in any way mean its inferior to a PC with nitrogen cooling as in the end during normal heavy usage they will run the same.SHOW ME A VIDEO where the S7 performance drops after a strenous NORMAL real world activity.


Sure ! Even the most famous android fancenter, xda developer, said the S7 has lags and unresponsiveness, but again Radon says his iPhone is worse...
Do you have videos to backup this statement rather than just pointless blanket statements.Every OS has the occassional lag here and there (although my iPhone 6 has it worse than others and my Air 2 never did on 8.4.1)


On which device ? Because, you know, we start having a little problem understanding what device you own...
Btw on the S7 images ARE DISTORTED near the edges.

On the Edge.In fact I find the effect kinda cool like an infinity display



So because YOU dropped your iPhone the S7 is automatically better ?
Seriously...
The person I quoted opined that his iPhone is easier to hold than the Galaxy Edge.The Edge is harder to hold but the normal version is easier to hold





Curved screen and 3D Touch are two unrelated features...
You know people.... Omg....

If Edge screen is a gimmick than so is 3D Touch as productivity wise both dont have much utility





I don't know if it's going to happen, but I'm quite sure Apple implementation will be much better as usual

"As usual" -First you need to prove how has Apple perfected ANY of Samsung's flaws in their own produuct because with the small bezels and the gorgeous screen along with widespread adoption of Samsung Pay in the US it seems the contrary is more true
 
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The Apple A9 chip (and any A series chip) is crazy strong in the single core. Which is what is mostly used for a lot tasks. Combine that with the faster flash. No 4 or 8 core from snapdragon or exynos can compare. More cores equals weaker single core. Which is why Apple stays with two (the only oddball being the A8X having three.) They understand what actually matters from a chip and don't cram in cores to look good on paper.

I really doubt the processor is what's behind the 1 min performance discrepancy. The flash may have more impact but there is something else going on. The guy in the video, at the end suggests something about Android encryption being the culprit of the slow down, notice the major slow downs seem to occur while loading the game data. I haven't seen anyone address this factor, I think we need more information and tests before jumping to broad conclusions.
 
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Or you know. It's the known fact that Samsung can't even manage 4gb of RAM efficiently vs 2gb Apple uses.

Your made up conspiracy theories continue...
It's not a conspiracy theory.Apple uses screenshots in the app switcher to make it seem as if the app hasn't reloaded

To prove that Apple does take screenshots, look at 2:06 in the video in the OP ..Watch very very closely to the game app. The screenshot is loaded into the view and absolutely nothing is moving. That is because there is a screenshot placed there while it reloads. You can tell it finishes the reload when the background stutters (removing the screenshot) and then there are things moving in the back (indicating that the app finished reloading).

Nifty tricks Which Android lacks
 
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I really doubt the processor is what's behind the 1 min performance discrepancy. The flash may have more impact but there is something else going on. The guy in the video, at the end suggests something about Android encryption being the culprit of the slow down, notice the major slow downs seem to occur while loading the game data. I haven't seen anyone address this factor, I think we need more information and tests before jumping to broad conclusions.

The comment he made on the encryption is based from the s6 not being default encrypted vs the s7 is encrypted by default (and I believe he was refering to s7 vs last years s6 tests and how the s7 seemed almost worse than when they tested the s6) iPhones are encrypted by default and have been since iOS 8. So it's not a disadvantage of any sort in the comparison of s7 edge vs 6s+. Both are encrypted.

Run geekbench side by side on both phones. Watch how the A9 just rips through the test in pretty much half the speed. It's because the stronger single core + faster read/write speeds of the flash. Perhaps the flash speed plays a bit more a role in that like you mentioned over the single core, but they both play the major roles in the test the OP linked.
 

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I really doubt the processor is what's behind the 1 min performance discrepancy. The flash may have more impact but there is something else going on. The guy in the video, at the end suggests something about Android encryption being the culprit of the slow down, notice the major slow downs seem to occur while loading the game data. I haven't seen anyone address this factor, I think we need more information and tests before jumping to broad conclusions.

Variables ..... like how many times the game has been played already which loads up faster with more cache. How much Play Games interfere with the start up of games vs Game Center. Same goes for the Game Lanucher. Then you have more permission checks on Android games/apps at start up. Also we couldn't tell if the S7 games were stored on external storage card. I can go on and on.
 
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Its irrelevant who had the patent first.Who put it on the market FIRST is whats important.Microsoft has a crap ton of very cool patents thanks to Nokia which are completely irrelvant as they never made it into a finished product

So now it's who puts it out first is the only relevant, important thing? You've used the reverse argument so many times before, but now that "who was FIRST" fits your argument you flip flop your own views.

Apple wasn't the first to do fingerprint as you've many times pointed out in various threads (which is what I talked about in the above paragraph of you flip flopping to fit your current argument.)

It sucked and no other phone copied. Apple came in and did it right a couple years later and set the standard of how well a fingerprint reader should work. They did it miles better and it took years for others to catch up (some still are behind.) Now almost no phone is without one.

So no, it's not about who was FIRST. It's about who does it better. Apple will no doubt do wrap around screen better.
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Variables ..... like how many times the game has been played already which loads up faster with more cache. How much Play Games interfere with the start up of games vs Game Center. Same goes for the Game Lanucher. Then you have more permission checks on Android games/apps at start up. Also we couldn't tell if the S7 games were stored on external storage card. I can go on and on.

"I could go on and on with excuses" is what I think you meant to write.

The test pits the two phones against each other how they come out of the box (minus a couple app installs.) Stop using Android or TouchWiz as excuses. It's not the iPhones fault both softwares (Android + TouchWiz) combined require specs higher than needed to operate. It shows the major flaw to their software. Which impacts performance.
 
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try to keep up with the conversation and get context.
apple doesn't always implement features well. 3DT is a prime example of it....what it will be is speculation at best. What is it now is what i commented on.
I have never said Samsung or anyone else has 3DT....please show me where i said that?
As to your speculation of what 3DT will be in the future and how it will evolve....i look forward to seeing it!
So something is still better than it not even being in existence anywhere else, right? And the context was comparison to others, as you mentioned:
No it wasn't. I was giving an example to MaxIT who said Apple's implementation is always better than all others. 3DT was my example of not so good implementation.
 

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"I could go on and on with excuses" is what I think you meant to write.

The test pits the two phones against each other how they come out of the box (minus a couple app installs.) Stop using Android or TouchWiz as excuses. It's not the iPhones fault both softwares (Android + TouchWiz) combined require specs higher than needed to operate. It shows the major flaw to their software. Which impacts performance.

Oh now it's all excuses. Then by your own logic, you sure have a ton of iPhone excuses regarding the camera. You sure didn't call out the massive iPhone excuses others made for the lack of 3D touch options. Shall I go on? :cool:
[doublepost=1458416694][/doublepost]It's funny how one video result in a sea of videos results with differ outcomes gets the most attention. Reminds me of FOX News.
 
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Oh now it's all excuses. Then by your own logic, you sure have a ton of iPhone excuses regarding the camera. You sure didn't call out the massive iPhone excuses others made for the lack of 3D touch options. Shall I go on? :cool:
[doublepost=1458416694][/doublepost]It's funny how one video result in a sea of videos results with differ outcomes gets the most attention. Reminds me of FOX News.

Apple has tons of "handicaps" that allow it to get a high single core score. Not everyone is objective. Some folks simply say that one phone is the best ever and will not be flawed. Every flagship has flaws. HTC has mediocre battery life. The Nexus phones didn't get decent cameras until the Nexus 6. Apple doesn't have wireless charging, quick charging, predictive dialing, etc. Choice is good. People arguing for the sake of arguing or promoting their agenda doesn't do much.
 
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