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nj-morris

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There has been some different opinions on this, some say it will be this year while others say next year, but would it make more sense for the iPhone 7 to have a design change (i.e. the all glass design) this year and then the OLED screen added in next years (2017) model with it being an S version it would match what Apple usually do, number models get a design change while the S models get more features. http://www.abplive.in/gadgets/iphone-7-may-sport-an-all-glass-casing-325846

Maybe they're doing a refresh every year :eek:

Still, it does seem weird that we're getting so many reports for the 2017 iPhone. Has this ever happened for a phone so far away?
 

Dave245

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Maybe they're doing a refresh every year :eek:

Still, it does seem weird that we're getting so many reports for the 2017 iPhone. Has this ever happened for a phone so far away?

I cant see them doing a major design refresh every year, Apple usually gives us a design change with the number model and then updates it with features in the S models. This could of course change, Apple are not bound by anything, the iPhone 6S was considered a big S update, it came with 3D Touch, the case material changed (to the same as the Apple watch sport i believe) the 12MP camera was introduced along with 4K video recording.

The reports for 2017 could be all over the place, it could be that some of those features are coming this year.

Apple do change things, for example they are planning to hold this years WWDC at the same place as the big iPhone 6s and iPad Pro event that was held September (the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium)
for the first time.
 

nj-morris

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I cant see them doing a major design refresh every year, Apple usually gives us a design change with the number model and then updates it with features in the S models. This could of course change, Apple are not bound by anything, the iPhone 6S was considered a big S update, it came with 3D Touch, the case material changed (to the same as the Apple watch sport i believe) the 12MP camera was introduced along with 4K video recording.

The reports for 2017 could be all over the place, it could be that some of those features are coming this year.

Apple do change things, for example they are planning to hold this years WWDC at the same place as the big iPhone 6s and iPad Pro event that was held September (the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium)
for the first time.

Never said major. Just more of a refresh than typical S upgrades. Then yes, a major refresh when needed.
 

HEK

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Antenna lines contribute to the overall design of the phone. Design is important, especially for Apple devices. It sets them apart, and is also the reason why they spend serious time and money on developing pioneering designs - a butterfly-effect of which can be witnessed on every device after a new iPhone is launched.

So yes, while you're perfectly normal as screen is where we all look at, without their distinct design iPhones would've been just like any other Android phone albeit with an iOS.
Still don't consider antenna lines worth much attention. And overall design is not influenced by having the lines or not, as witnessed by the upcoming iPhone 7, which reportedly removes some of the antenna lines.
 

Dave245

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Still don't consider antenna lines worth much attention. And overall design is not influenced by having the lines or not, as witnessed by the upcoming iPhone 7, which reportedly removes some of the antenna lines.

Considering this years model may not get a design change (recent rumours point towards this) then that might be why. However if this is true then Apple are changing the way they do things (number model followed by an S model) so we will have to see what happens. It does seem tho that Apple are paying more attention to the camera on the iPhone 7, a new rumour suggest Apple implementing a zoom feature as well as the Dual camera. http://idropnews.com/iphone-7-pro-e...zoom-powered-by-folded-telephoto-camera-lens/
 

iThingsGurl

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Considering this years model may not get a design change (recent rumours point towards this) then that might be why. However if this is true then Apple are changing the way they do things (number model followed by an S model) so we will have to see what happens. It does seem tho that Apple are paying more attention to the camera on the iPhone 7, a new rumour suggest Apple implementing a zoom feature as well as the Dual camera. http://idropnews.com/iphone-7-pro-e...zoom-powered-by-folded-telephoto-camera-lens/

Apple would indeed be changing its ways if the rumours turn out to be true. For the first time, the S variant will have a design change, which also makes us anticipate what design will the iPhone 8 have.

At times I wonder, what if the 2017 iPhone everyone's talking about is actually a new segment in itself - iPhone Pro - and it will be launched when they launched the iPhone SE this year? Just my speculation.
 

Dave245

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Apple would indeed be changing its ways if the rumours turn out to be true. For the first time, the S variant will have a design change, which also makes us anticipate what design will the iPhone 8 have.

At times I wonder, what if the 2017 iPhone everyone's talking about is actually a new segment in itself - iPhone Pro - and it will be launched when they launched the iPhone SE this year? Just my speculation.

That's a good point, however if they were to do that i cant also see Apple announcing/releasing the iPhone 7 in September and then another flagship phone in April time it would annoy a lot of people. What's got me wondering is why Apple have decided to go with the Bill Civic building for WWDC, something they have never done before. The last time they used that building it was for the iPhone 6S, iPad Pro announcement and the Apple TV 4 reveal and the time before that it was used for the Apple 2 computer announcement.
 

iThingsGurl

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That's a good point, however if they were to do that i cant also see Apple announcing/releasing the iPhone 7 in September and then another flagship phone in April time it would annoy a lot of people. What's got me wondering is why Apple have decided to go with the Bill Civic building for WWDC, something they have never done before. The last time they used that building it was for the iPhone 6S, iPad Pro announcement and the Apple TV 4 reveal and the time before that it was used for the Apple 2 computer announcement.

I for one will definitely be annoyed if the iPhone 7 turns out to be nothing more than a placebo upgrade. I decided to skip the 6S in favour of the 7, now I cannot possibly wait for another year.

They do have a few things in the pipeline which can be expected at the WWDC this year: Apple Watch 2, new MacBooks Pro, and maybe new iOS 10 and MacOS previews. Collectively, these may have the same effect as launching an iPhone or an iPad.
 

Dave245

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I for one will definitely be annoyed if the iPhone 7 turns out to be nothing more than a placebo upgrade. I decided to skip the 6S in favour of the 7, now I cannot possibly wait for another year.

They do have a few things in the pipeline which can be expected at the WWDC this year: Apple Watch 2, new MacBooks Pro, and maybe new iOS 10 and MacOS previews. Collectively, these may have the same effect as launching an iPhone or an iPad.

I also skipped the iPhone 6S and kept my 6 Plus, I'm hoping the dual camera is one of the really rumours. Yea I think the Apple Watch 2 along with new MacBook Pro's and the usual software updates will make it a bigger event than usual. I'm sure more leaks will follow soon.
 
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I for one will definitely be annoyed if the iPhone 7 turns out to be nothing more than a placebo upgrade. I decided to skip the 6S in favour of the 7, now I cannot possibly wait for another year.

So wait till the ip7 comes out and decide then. If it doesn't excite, the 6s/6s+ will be $100 cheaper though you don't strike me as someone who will wait, yet another year.

I think people tend to overthink at times...buy the phone based on what you need at the time.

Putting off something because next year's model with be "the one" is a fool's errand.
 

iThingsGurl

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So wait till the ip7 comes out and decide then. If it doesn't excite, the 6s/6s+ will be $100 cheaper though you don't strike me as someone who will wait, yet another year.

I think people tend to overthink at times...buy the phone based on what you need at the time.

Putting off something because next year's model with be "the one" is a fool's errand.

You are right. I will be waiting till September before I decide. What I meant to say, however, was that I usually buy one every 2 years. So the last time when I got the 6, I skipped the 6s hoping for a change in design with the 7. But more and more rumours now suggest that the 7 may not be such a huge upgrade as Apple has already focussed its attention on the 2017's "Mega Cycle" upgrade. This, thus, potentially leaves me in a dilemma whether to skip the 7 and go for the 2017 one, or get the 7 and keep using it for 2 years while Apple releases some much yearned features in 2017.
 

Andres Cantu

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The lack of iPhone 7 leaks is surprising. By this time two years ago, we knew all about the iPhone 6.

This is starting to sound like the most boring iPhone since the 3G.
 
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Doesn't matter to me whether it's successful or not, it's whether or not they go all out and not hold back features.

OK, that doesn't make sense. Doesn't matter if its a flop, but than you said if it has all the features and not hold back. If it had all the features we want, why would it be a flop ?
 

Andres Cantu

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OK, that doesn't make sense. Doesn't matter if its a flop, but than you said if it has all the features and not hold back. If it had all the features we want, why would it be a flop ?
Even if it has new compelling features, there's no guarantee that as a total package they will be more compelling to the market than the iPhone 6's bigger screen was. It could very well sell a bit less than the iPhone 6, then people could start calling the new iPhone a "flop" (even though we all know tens of millions of iPhone sales aren't a flop, even if it's less than the iPhone 6).

But I don't want to discuss sales, I want to see the leaks!
 

Dave245

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you don't know if it'll happen or not. it's your opinion, not a fact.

Yea I think that is a given, all things that are posted on here are opinions and not fact (until Apple announce other wise). It makes sense tho that they keep certain features back for the flagship. There are even rumours of an iPhone 7 Pro.
 
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Personally I think Apple needs to stop with this SE without 3D Touch, 4.7" 6S without Optical Image Stabilization but with 3D Touch, 5.5" 6S with 3D Touch and OIS, IPhone 7, iPhone 7 plus, iPhone 7 pro and consolidate it all to something a little more cohesive. Things are starting to get alittle skattered and mangled. They should just have a iPhone mini, iPhone and iPhone plus all with the exact same features and everything except for the screen size and battery. Then they should do the same thing with the iPad line. Would make it a lot easier for people to decide what they wanted. Now people have to spend a lot of time going threw each size and what feature they will or will not get that a lot of people get a headache and just walk out with nothing. Apple needs to make things more easier and not complicated for consumers.
 
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ValO

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Personally I think Apple needs to stop with this SE without 3D Touch, 4.7" 6S without Optical Image Stabilization but with 3D Touch, 5.5" 6S with 3D Touch and OIS, IPhone 7, iPhone 7 plus, iPhone 7 pro and consolidate it all to something a little more cohesive. Things are starting to get alittle skattered and mangled. They should just have a iPhone mini, iPhone and iPhone plus all with the exact same features and everything except for the screen size and battery. Then they should do the same thing with the iPad line. Would make it a lot easier for people to decide what they wanted. Now people have to spend a lot of time going threw each size and what feature they will or will not get that a lot of people get a headache and just walk out with nothing. Apple needs to make things more easier and not complicated for consumers.

Yes, sure.

So I buy an iPhone pro, that won' t have other features, because there is no room in the small 4 inch iPhone .
Would be really happy about that... NOT!
 

The Game 161

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After hearing the latest rumours on the note 6 I'm not sure apple can afford such an average upgrade
 

ValO

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That is the problem.
The galax/note range isn' t a real competitor to the iPhone , yet.
Now it is still about OS and ecosystem, for current consumers, that is why they make their current choises.
Not about brand or tech specs.
But with the expected weak upgrade of the iPhone 7, and the iPhone' s high pricing, it won' t attract new customers and android switchers . Just an upgrade cycle for current iPhone users.
Apple has to keep improving iOS and make it more flexible without compromising easy of use and speed, together with stellar hardware upgrades, to encourage customers to switch from android.
 

Dave245

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That is the problem.
The galax/note range isn' t a real competitor to the iPhone , yet.
Now it is still about OS and ecosystem, for current consumers, that is why they make their current choises.
Not about brand or tech specs.
But with the expected weak upgrade of the iPhone 7, and the iPhone' s high pricing, it won' t attract new customers and android switchers . Just an upgrade cycle for current iPhone users.
Apple has to keep improving iOS and make it more flexible without compromising easy of use and speed, together with stellar hardware upgrades, to encourage customers to switch from android.

Yea I wouldn't switch to the note 6, simply because of Andriod and Touchwiz. Personal i will get the iPhone 7 Plus, I'm currently on the 6 Plus and want to upgrade. I don't have a problem with the design that has been rumoured for the 7, I also think there are more features in the 7 than have been leaked so far, the phone hasn't gone into production yet.
 

The Game 161

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That is the problem.
The galax/note range isn' t a real competitor to the iPhone , yet.
Now it is still about OS and ecosystem, for current consumers, that is why they make their current choises.
Not about brand or tech specs.
But with the expected weak upgrade of the iPhone 7, and the iPhone' s high pricing, it won' t attract new customers and android switchers . Just an upgrade cycle for current iPhone users.
Apple has to keep improving iOS and make it more flexible without compromising easy of use and speed, together with stellar hardware upgrades, to encourage customers to switch from android.
Think it's foolish to suggest the new Samsung phones aren't a huge threat right now. They clearly are with what they have brought out this year. Their sales Fiqures for Q1 shows this
 
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