Do you folks see the grid when you are looking straight on at the screen -- that is, your line of sight is perpendicular to the screen? I don't. I have to hold it at an angle. I wouldn't use the phone at this angle, though. So, the whole issue is a non-issue for my iPhone. That's rotten if people see it head-on.
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iPhone Screen Checkered Pattern
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we need somebody to take pictures of BOTH models at the same time or in comparable environments.
I won't be able to do this for another week, unfortunately.
anybody knows somebody with an iphone with the 5*** model or vice versa?
we need two different one next to each other!
Edison, it's not as obvious head on, BUT, since the are there, and they are white, they tend to screw with the overall display of dark images.
nothing looks as black as on the other screens.
that is why i think there is a connection between the white dots and the sharpness issues.
find someone with a 5*** screen or check the stores for one, then you might see what i am talking about.
i can see it head on very easily... it definitely is stronger from an angle, but i can see them easily while looking straight at it...
so, i decided to check out this claim that the dots increase and decrease depending on how "touch interactive" the program you are using is..
so, i opened the camera app (only one thing to touch, the "take picture" button at the bottom of the screen) while covering the lens to make the picture pure black, and the dots decrease to about half! some more evidence that the dots are relating to the multitouch layer of the screen
so, i opened the camera app (only one thing to touch, the "take picture" button at the bottom of the screen) while covering the lens to make the picture pure black, and the dots decrease to about half! some more evidence that the dots are relating to the multitouch layer of the screen
Precisely.
I just went into a pitch black room (no windows), cranked brightness to 100%, turned Auto-Brightness "OFF" and took a look with another person (who has not terribly good eyesight).
She couldn't see the dots at ANY angle. I could still only see them at about a 30 degree angle, but absolutely could NOT see them head-on.
I have the 7455232 LCD ID.
Edison,
you can't see them, but they are there, and what they do is change the sharpness/definition on darker images.
If you think about it, looking at it from the front, it only makes sense to see how white dots, 2 or 3 pixels apart, laid out on a whole black screen, can make the screen look different and not as sharp/black as it would if it was without them.
again, this is really obvious if you put two iphones with a different screen model side to side.
ohhh my god, they change. ok i have to try and photography this. photos to come... i hope.
Nahh -- my iPhone screen is sharper than any cell phone I've ever used and sharper than any LCD I've used. If I can't see them, then they don't interfere with the image. I do see the nasty "banding" effect around the highlight glow on the large charging image when it is docked, but again only at certain angles -- but if I take my LCD computer monitor and move it around, bad things happen to the image there as well. This isn't a sharpness issue.
My iPhone screen is sharp. If I cannot see the dots, head-on, in a dark room with brightness cranked up -- then it certainly is not interfering with the image quality. And on my screen, even at a 30 degree angle, these dots are probably around an RGB(5,5,5) against the black (RGB(0,0,0)) -- so faint.
Your screen may vary, and if you see them head-on, that's bad and may affect image quality.
i seem to having the problem too and i have the 7XXX model
i also realized that the dots are spaced differently at the top and then get closer together near the icons...
heres a picture
i just dont know if i should exchange it or not, if this is a real defect then i would but i dont think we are really sure whats going on here because everyone with the 7XXX model is having the same problem.
i also realized that the dots are spaced differently at the top and then get closer together near the icons...
heres a picture
i just dont know if i should exchange it or not, if this is a real defect then i would but i dont think we are really sure whats going on here because everyone with the 7XXX model is having the same problem.
again, your screen might be sharp no doubt, but compared to a 5*** model is not as sharp/defined.
ask the other people on this thread, who had the chance to see/own both.
if this is your first iphone, then you have no reference, and it's great that you are happy with it.
it's like me going to a restaurant and eating a dish that is really good, then the cook changes and you go for the first time with me in and order the same thing.
if i tell you "it's not as good as the other time" but to you is still delicious, and tell me i am tripping,who is right?
i would have made a right statement, since i have something to reference it to.
I am sorry for the comparison...i couldn't come up with anything better.
I tried!
Hah! Okay -- I will have to check phones at an Apple store to see this for myself. However, the fact still remains that I have a 7*** with dots that are not apparent head-on. I'm not sure if this is limited to just the LCD ID #, as my case doesn't fit the mold.
here is a link to another thread about this "issue" on Apple's discussion boards:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4949543#4949543
go contribute if you can.
Great, Lets try to get noticed because apple's tech support seems to be oblivious to the situation when i called they simply told me to exchange it for a new one. (which i wont in fear of getting a worse one)
yes, unless we know for sure that model 5*** gets in the stores again, there is no point in trying.
all I'm seeing are pictures of the 7 model, taken at an angle with the brightness all the way up... unless I see a picture of a 5 model taken under the same conditions, this whole thing is BS.. where are the pictures of the CLEAR dot-less LCD's? all iphones have this checkered pattern, deal with it.. live with it.. it's not the end of the world... the screen still looks beautiful.. get a life people
thanks for the help.
your input is greatly appreciated....
my brightness levels are around the middle, usually a little less.
read the previous post to see why even from the front , this dot matrix pattern changes the brightness/definition of the screen.
until apple acknowledges something about this issue we're all pretty much SOL...especially considering that every new model has the problem.
I think that some have it slightly worse than others, my dots are not visible at 50% brightness where others have been. They only become apparent as the brightness reaches the upper end of the spectrum.
Im fairly confident that this a video calibration / screen calibration issue that can be handled via firmware corrections.
I'd love to see some pictures of the 5 series screens...
hey aren't 7-Series supposed to be better than 5-Series anyways? (at least when it comes to Bavarian automobiles
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I think that some have it slightly worse than others, my dots are not visible at 50% brightness where others have been. They only become apparent as the brightness reaches the upper end of the spectrum.
Im fairly confident that this a video calibration / screen calibration issue that can be handled via firmware corrections.
I'd love to see some pictures of the 5 series screens...
hey aren't 7-Series supposed to be better than 5-Series anyways? (at least when it comes to Bavarian automobiles
)phoneorpda, let's say that there was never 2 different LCD models.. and every model was the same.. and every model had the white dots... and there was no such thing as a dot-less LCD... would you accept the iphone then? would you accept that it was made that way?
Why are people leaving the "Auto-Brightness" on when taking comparison photos? This can be attributed to a sensor issue as one phone may be dimming the screen more than the other. The simplest science is to eliminate all variables, thats why when I tested my battery I ran the video test.
definitely, i would, because i wouldn't have anything else to compare it to.
in my case (and others' , as it appears form the length of this thread) i had an iphone with a 5**** lcd model before and it doesn't have that pattern and also is a lot sharper.I had to return it for other reasons.
my girlfriend (who i won't see until next sunday, i am afraid) bought her phone on release date, with me, and hers looks different from mine: sharper,ad rker and with more definition.Also, it doen't have this white dot pattern visible, not even when you tilt the screen.
so, in short, yes i would just accept it in that case.
but the truth is that there ARE 2 different screens, unfortunately.
pictures will come. Just give it time for people to gather information/awareness.
Ok, I no longer think this has anything to do with the touch layer.
What i did
1) made an all black img and put in on my iPhone
2) looked at the image in Photos app.
3) tapped to turn on the photo controls
4) tapped to turn off photo controls
5) dragged slowly in from the right
6) dragged slowly in from the left
7) switched back to home screen
What i Observed
When i looked at the dots on a all black screen the dots where spaced out and checkered.
When the photo controls where on the dots where tighter together and in line.
When i drag a photo in from the right (the next photo in the album, so i pull my finger left) the dots remain checkered.
Now the fun part: When i pull the photo in from the left (prev photo, drag my finger to the right) the dots become tighter in pattern on an angle (about 45 deg) down to the lower right. As i dragged further to the right the dots moved along with the top left corner of the prev image. further filling the screen.
then when i switched back to Home. they fill the screen with the tight pattern except at the top.
My conclusion (this is so much fun, like cem lab back in High School)
The dots appear on the LCD it itself, they appear tighter to the right and descend down from any on screen pixel. this is also why at startup, the tighter dots are only on the lower right of the screen, because of the big apple logo in the middle. also why the tight dots are not at the top of the home screen where there is no text.
I sill don't know what they are, or why. bit the fact that they only show half way through start up and def react to pixels on the screen leeds me to believe this might be fixed with software.
Here are my images. sorry about my hand, but I'm holding the photo. i adjusted the exposer to enhance the dots.
What i did
1) made an all black img and put in on my iPhone
2) looked at the image in Photos app.
3) tapped to turn on the photo controls
4) tapped to turn off photo controls
5) dragged slowly in from the right
6) dragged slowly in from the left
7) switched back to home screen
What i Observed
When i looked at the dots on a all black screen the dots where spaced out and checkered.
When the photo controls where on the dots where tighter together and in line.
When i drag a photo in from the right (the next photo in the album, so i pull my finger left) the dots remain checkered.
Now the fun part: When i pull the photo in from the left (prev photo, drag my finger to the right) the dots become tighter in pattern on an angle (about 45 deg) down to the lower right. As i dragged further to the right the dots moved along with the top left corner of the prev image. further filling the screen.
then when i switched back to Home. they fill the screen with the tight pattern except at the top.
My conclusion (this is so much fun, like cem lab back in High School)
The dots appear on the LCD it itself, they appear tighter to the right and descend down from any on screen pixel. this is also why at startup, the tighter dots are only on the lower right of the screen, because of the big apple logo in the middle. also why the tight dots are not at the top of the home screen where there is no text.
I sill don't know what they are, or why. bit the fact that they only show half way through start up and def react to pixels on the screen leeds me to believe this might be fixed with software.
Here are my images. sorry about my hand, but I'm holding the photo. i adjusted the exposer to enhance the dots.