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now, there is no confirmation (yet) that these are two different models, but it seems to be a coherent assumption.

Yeah, wow the screen on the right looks washed out with bad contrast. Take that one on the right back right away. Since both phones seem to display a grid in those photos it looks like they all have that. At least the phone on the left has a nice contrasty look to it. The auto-brightness is on though so it will compensate for room lighting conditions so those shots are a bit limited in value.

-Jerry C.
 
im sooo mad i saw this post! i was so happy with my replaced iphone i got because of battery issues, my new one has much better battery and i was glad i exchanged it i thought i had a perfect model until.........i saw this i am now noticing the dots and i realize that my old one was brighter then this one. Now that i know its there its starting to really bother me i HATE when i have something thats not %100 perfect and its not like theres a point in returning this because thats the reason im stuck with this "defective" phone to begin with!:mad::mad::mad:
 
On the bad 7* LCD I got, it did have a reddish and yellow cast to it like the one on the left in the picture. It made the menubar and other gray and blue things look nasty. On another 7* phone I got, the red/yellow cast wasn't as obvious, there were no white dots, and overall it looked good.

It was however a bit brighter than my current 5* (unlike the picture), which has a blue cast in comparison. It makes grays and blues look nice and cool in temperature and pleasing to the eye, but whites don't look as white as a good 7* screen. But I'm happy enough with it, I don't want to keep rolling the dice for the perfect screen.
 
I think a good move now would be to take a series of pictures (I no longer have access to a 5** series screen) comparing both models from various angles. Also comparing the brightness level and sharpness. These pictures along with a letter describing the issue could be sent to variuos blogs reporting iphone news i.e. engadget (already suggested earlier in this thread). If they are skeptical suggest that they can duplicate the same picture if they can find two of the different models of phones, which I am sure they have the resources to do. As soon as this issue appears off forums and on a tech blog, I would imagine Apple would respond very quickly.

Also my phone with the screen issue also has the common battery problem (where when fully charged there is still a sliver missing from the green battery meter) Does everyone who have this screen issue also have this battery issue. Appple PR has said they are working on a software fix for the battery issue (Perhaps it will also address the screen calibration)
 
Then you can't see. It's there on every single iPhone model. It is on yours too.

Excuse me? Yes I can see and no I don't have them. Maybe if you would actually take a look at some of the photos posted or better yet take a look at the Apple PR photography. If all iPhones had it, it would CLEARLY be visible on the iPhone PR photos because its part of the design, right? Ummm, no.

http://www.apple.com/pr/products/iphone/iphone.html
 
I have a 7455232 LCD and I do not have any dots or light bleed from the edges. In fact, the LCD looks great! Very strange...
 
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this is what i see.

if those are not dots, i don't know what else to tell you.

They are not on the 5*** LCD revision
 
Has anyone seen something like this on any other lcd's, Ever? I've seen some crapy screens, but never with lil pixel like dots. If you look close they do look like pixels. But if we have never ever seen this b4 don't we have to assume it's a touch layer.
 
Has anyone seen something like this on any other lcd's, Ever? I've seen some crapy screens, but never with lil pixel like dots. If you look close they do look like pixels. But if we have never ever seen this b4 don't we have to assume it's a touch layer.


Spiroid,

if it would be the touch layer, it would show up on every screen, but it doesn't.
It seems to appear only on model 7****.
 
I wonder if its both. LCD displays use liquid quartz crystals that twist open and closed based on varying degrees of voltage - which is pretty darn low.

I wonder if the capacitive layer of the touch matrix is "leaking" a bit and causing the quartz LCD to react.

That may explain both the grid and the fact that it looks like pixels.
 
I wonder if its both. LCD displays use liquid quartz crystals that twist open and closed based on varying degrees of voltage - which is pretty darn low.

I wonder if the capacitive layer of the touch matrix is "leaking" a bit and causing the quartz LCD to react.

That may explain both the grid and the fact that it looks like pixels.

unity,

i am not too good with technicalities, but to your knowledge, is it something that can be fixed via software or is it something strictly linked to the hardware design?
 
Thought I'd chime in, since I've been following this thread.

I have LCD Panel ID: 7455232
I have good, sensitive eyesight.

I did not notice the white dots until I saw this thread. However, at 50% brightness (Auto-Brightness "ON") it's virtually unnoticeable on my screen. In fact, I also need to hold the screen at an angle that I would not use the phone at to see it. If I tune the brightness up to 100% (with Auto-Brightness "OFF" to max out the brightness), it's certainly more noticeable.

Only with the brightness up all the way can I see the white dots in a sunny room, while holding the phone at an angle. I can best see the white dots when holding the phone in portrait mode and tipping it back about 30 degrees from perpendicular to my line of sight. If I rotate the phone left and right, the dots fade. This is interesting because unlike a previous photo posted here, the dots become much fainter when holding the phone in landscape mode and tipping it back. There seems to be some variation between phones. For my iPhone, portrait mode tipped back 30 degrees makes the dots most apparent.

This is not a normal viewing angle for me (and I assume most people). When looking straight on at the screen, the dots are not visible, even in a dark room.

I did an experiment and found something interesting -- I took a picture with iPhone in a dark room while covering the lens. The result is a completely black image. If I view this image using the Photo program, tip the screen as described above, I get a great view of the dots.

But then something interesting happens. When the photo interface (the button bar along top and bottom) disappears, I notice the white dots change as well. Normally, these white dots sit about every 2-3 pixels. But when the interface disappears, it seems like half the dots disappear, making the gap between dots becomes 4-6 pixels.

This makes me think it's something to do with the touch sensitive technology and a battery saving feature -- the touch screen reduces its sensitivity or density when moving to an interface where the only touch-screen input allowed is any input to "wake" the interface. That is, I cannot do anything until I first touch the screen, then the controls appear, then I can touch a control. During that first stage where only a touch can wake the screen before proceeding, it makes sense that the touch-sensitive technology reduces its power consumption since it only needs to perform a simple, non-precise operation.

This is just speculation, but I'd be curious to see if other people experience this reduction of dots when the interface disappears. This won't work on the main menu, because it remains active to touch input until the device itself goes to sleep.
 
I have been reading through this thread and have taken note that my phone as this problem as well (7 series screen). At first I thought it was normal and just part of the phone but now that I think back, the phones in the apple store do seem alot crisper and sharper than mine when I would look. Has anyone successfully gone to an Apple store with JUST this screen problem and gotten a new phone with NO matrix? I am considering going today but so far it seems like nobody here has gotten a better phone or even been able to exchange.
 
Spiroid,

if it would be the touch layer, it would show up on every screen, but it doesn't.
It seems to appear only on model 7****.

Thats assuming that is doesn't become visible when active. Maybe for on some then others. Just a thought.
 
But then something interesting happens. When the photo interface (the button bar along top and bottom) disappears, I notice the white dots change as well. Normally, these white dots sit about every 2-3 pixels. But when the interface disappears, it seems like half the dots disappear, making the gap between dots becomes 4-6 pixels.

This makes me think it's something to do with the touch sensitive technology and a battery saving feature -- the touch screen reduces its sensitivity or density when moving to an interface where the only touch-screen input allowed is any input to "wake" the interface. That is, I cannot do anything until I first touch the screen, then the controls appear, then I can touch a control. During that first stage where only a touch can wake the screen before proceeding, it makes sense that the touch-sensitive technology reduces its power consumption since it only needs to perform a simple, non-precise operation.

This is just speculation, but I'd be curious to see if other people experience this reduction of dots when the interface disappears. This won't work on the main menu, because it remains active to touch input until the device itself goes to sleep.

I actually mentioned this in an earlier post. I was photographing it as i saw your post. Here is the img. Note the pattern change at the top of the screen. there is a stripe toward the left above the calendar button.
It also look like the dots might become more dense around icons and text.
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EDIT: Also the pattern is different during start up too. the closer pattern of dots is only on the lower right side then. and fills the screen more once the home screen comes up. I would photograph this but i'm using a very long shutter speed, and i don't think the startup screen is up long enough.
 
That's an awesome picture of the checkered screen!

I too noticed that the pattern changed depending on the amount of black being shown on the screen. That is what leads me to believe it is a calibration issue, along with that picture of the battery charging icon that is washed out. On the bad LCD that I got the pattern was very visible from a foot away at medium brightness, so there is variation in how bad it appears, if at all.

I doubt it has anything to do with the touch panel, as the idea that it changes its sensitivity and that it somehow causes dots of llight to appear on the screen makes little sense.
 
I actually mentioned this in an earlier post. I was photographing it as i saw your post. Here is the img. Note the pattern change at the top of the screen. there is a stripe toward the left above the calendar button.
It also look like the dots might become more dense around icons and text.
21521.jpg


EDIT: Also the pattern is different during start up too. the closer pattern of dots is only on the lower right side then. and fills the screen more once the home screen comes up. I would photograph this but i'm using a very long shutter speed, and i don't think the startup screen is up long enough.


good shot!

yes, i think that this proves that the dots are somehow connected to the touch layer.
Now we need to find why they don't show at all on 5**** LCD screens.
 
I actually mentioned this in an earlier post. I was photographing it as i saw your post. Here is the img. Note the pattern change at the top of the screen. there is a stripe toward the left above the calendar button.
It also look like the dots might become more dense around icons and text.
21521.jpg


EDIT: Also the pattern is different during start up too. the closer pattern of dots is only on the lower right side then. and fills the screen more once the home screen comes up. I would photograph this but i'm using a very long shutter speed, and i don't think the startup screen is up long enough.

wow, nice shot!


mine looks exactly like this... 1/2 brightness, very easy to see... i have a 7... screen also...

i also noticed the spacing is different up top.. i have it just as you do (above the calendar app) and it is spaced further in the top right corner... if i have the apple provided earth wallpaper up, the dots show up really bad... makes the screen look horrible...
 
I doubt it has anything to do with the touch panel, as the idea that it changes its sensitivity and that it somehow causes dots of llight to appear on the screen makes little sense.

Why would you doubt that? I think a lot of the evidence is pointing to this being related to the touch screen hardware. It's certainly hard to rule out.

Some people notice the dots appear in the middle of the startup process (this could mean the OS has initiated the touch screen hardware at this point). The dots appear to have different densities at different parts of the screen (why add lots of sensitivity to areas that won't be getting touch buttons, like the bar along the top). The dots become less dense when the interface becomes inactive requiring a touch to wake it up (reduces energy consumption -- why have touch sensitivity cranked up if its only looking for a single touch anywhere on the screen, not a precise button click).

All speculation, but it seems like the touch technology is at work here -- not just a simple dithering problem with the graphics (which could possibly be fixed via software).
 
I just called tech support and she had me do a restore to no effect when i told her about the newer phones having a different "cheaper" screen she denied it and gave me a case # telling me to go to an apple store and exchange it. I dont know if theres a point being that so many people are having the same problems what makes me think ill get a good one? It could be a worse one for all i know....:confused::mad:
 
I just called tech support and she had me do a restore to no effect when i told her about the newer phones having a different "cheaper" screen she denied it and gave me a case # telling me to go to an apple store and exchange it. I dont know if theres a point being that so many people are having the same problems what makes me think ill get a good one? It could be a worse one for all i know....:confused::mad:

returning them hasnt seemed to have gotten other members here anywhere... some are on their 6th or 7th phone...

with so many people with screen like this, all we can do is investigate to find out more about the problem, and wait for apple to address it... so far, this thread has done a lot of good work, keep it up!
 
I just called tech support and she had me do a restore to no effect when i told her about the newer phones having a different "cheaper" screen she denied it and gave me a case # telling me to go to an apple store and exchange it. I dont know if theres a point being that so many people are having the same problems what makes me think ill get a good one? It could be a worse one for all i know....:confused::mad:

Yeah it could get worse.

So far, believe it or not, my screen looks perfect, besides the white dot grid issue.
that is why i hope it is something they can fix with software.
 
I actually mentioned this in an earlier post. I was photographing it as i saw your post. Here is the img. Note the pattern change at the top of the screen. there is a stripe toward the left above the calendar button.

You seem to be quite good at capturing this with your camera. I wonder if you can take a shot of the Photo program, with a complete black image on screen, before and after the Photo controls disappear?
 
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