iPhone SE (2016) iPhone SE 2 in 2018?

[thadoggfather]

I really hope it sa baller se2

Not just a faster chip drop in and camera

My se1 is blazing fast on 10.2

A9 (6s) and a iPhone 5 screen wooo

 

[carlvi]

Just saw something about the new SE featuring a glass back. Obviously this is just a rumor, but it got me thinking about how cool that would be. My favorite iPhone design of all time has got to be the 4/4S with its glass back -- imagine a 4-inch phone based on the 4S design

 

[apolloa]

Just saw something about the new SE featuring a glass back. Obviously this is just a rumor, but it got me thinking about how cool that would be. My favorite iPhone design of all time has got to be the 4/4S with its glass back -- imagine a 4-inch phone based on the 4S design

With a solid state Touch ID 2 home button, 3D Touch, iPhone 7 camera with OIS, brushed stainless steel edges hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Oh yeah dreaming of that one! IMO iPhone 4 was the best design they’ve made!

 

[bluecoast]

The other day, I was playing around with the current SE.

I had forgotten how good it was to use the iPhone with one hand without straining your thumb to reach up to the top of the screen etc.

Compared to my 7, I didn’t like the screen or home button though and don’t miss them.

I hope that we at least get the components of the 7 in the new SE.

I suspect like the current SE, it’ll be a combination of parts from different generations.

I’m betting on the 8’s processor (and wireless charging?) with the camera and screen from the 7 all in a slimmed down chassis similar to the 8.

I wonder if we’ll get the Taptic Engine and no headphone socket? I suspect so.

Anyway, let’s hope we’ll soon SE (sic).

 

[Beau10]

Just saw something about the new SE featuring a glass back. Obviously this is just a rumor, but it got me thinking about how cool that would be. My favorite iPhone design of all time has got to be the 4/4S with its glass back -- imagine a 4-inch phone based on the 4S design

My only issue is it adds some weight. I'm fine with that if we have wireless charging - it's probably the one thing I truly miss from the X I returned.

Ultimately though I'm fine enough with the design as is with updated internals so it can push out obsolescence for another couple years. I am a bit concerned that Apple may drop the smaller form factor entirely due to market demand as cost to manufacture the larger devices comes down.

 

[44267547]

The other day, I was playing around with the current SE.

I had forgotten how good it was to use the iPhone with one hand without straining your thumb to reach up to the top of the screen etc.

Compared to my 7, I didn’t like the screen or home button though and don’t miss them.

I hope that we at least get the components of the 7 in the new SE.

I suspect like the current SE, it’ll be a combination of parts from different generations.

I’m betting on the 8’s processor (and wireless charging?) with the camera and screen from the 7 all in a slimmed down chassis similar to the 8.

I wonder if we’ll get the Taptic Engine and no headphone socket? I suspect so.

Anyway, let’s hope we’ll soon SE (sic).

There Was a recent rumor yesterday that it would incorporate wireless charging, which would require a glass backing. But I question that rumor heavily. It won't retain a 3.5 mm Jack and I don't fo see Apple adding 3-D Touch either. If Apple treats the iPhone SE 2 similarly to the iPhone SE, it's about keeping it affordable as well, which you can only have so many features due to the rising cost.

If there was one thing I would like to see the iPhone SE 2 upgrade, would easily be the display/resolution. That was the biggest hindrance to me with the first generation iPhone SE.

 

[bluecoast]

There Was a recent rumor yesterday that it would incorporate wireless charging, which would require a glass backing. But I question that rumor heavily. It won't retain a 3.5 mm Jack and I don't fo see Apple adding 3-D Touch either. If Apple treats the iPhone SE 2 similarly to the iPhone SE, it's about keeping it affordable as well, which you can only have so many features due to the rising cost.

If there was one thing I would like to see the iPhone SE 2 upgrade, would easily be the display/resolution. That was the biggest hindrance to me with the first generation iPhone SE.

Yeah agree: I think the wireless charging rumour doesn’t sound right because of affordability (and durability) as you say.

3D Touch also seems a little bit suspect as:

a) the Taptic Engine wouldn’t leave much room for the battery - and I suspect that battery life will be a big sell for this phone.

b) component cost, as you say.

I’ve heard though that one of the biggest points of failure for 6s and Uber phones, is the physical home button. So I wonder if we’ll see a ‘mini’ Taptic Engine that just works with a iPhone 7-8 style home button?

Finally, yes the screen feels so washed out compared to the 7-8 series phones.

Even if apple produced a new SE with the iPhone 7’s camera, screen and home button (no 3D Touch) I’d be tempted to upgrade.

That along with the iPhone 8’s processor (for low power battery life) plus a new chassis would be something I’d be very likely to buy.

 

[kazmac]

I would be really surprised if Apple releases a glass back on the next SE and doesn't raise the price. I just want a better screen, same or better battery life, the headphone jack and newer internals for the same price. Then I might consider upgrading when I am ready to.

 

[44267547]

I would be really surprised if Apple releases a glass back on the next SE and doesn't raise the price. I just want a better screen, same or better battery life, the headphone jack and newer internals for the same price. Then I might consider upgrading when I am ready to.

No, Apple is not going to include the headphone jack on the SE 2 if released. That will completely go against all of Apples ideations of why they deleted the 3.5 Jack in the first place, which they iterated was antiquated technology and it was for using the space for camera and battery improvements, not to mention the gateway for the AirPods. A Number of Apple executives commented on how it's no longer needed.

http://bgr.com/2016/09/08/iphone-7-headphones-removal-adapter-schiller-explanation/amp/

Right here is your answer:

"You’ve got to do it at some point,” Schiller added. “Sooner or later the headphone jack is going away. There are just too many reasons aligned against it sticking around any longer. There’s a little bit of pain in every transition, but we can’t let that stop us from making it. If we did, we’d never make any progress at all.”

 

[bluecoast]

No, Apple is not going to include the headphone jack on the SE 2 if released. That will completely go against all of Apples ideations of why they deleted the 3.5 Jack in the first place, which they iterated was antiquated technology and it was for using the space for camera and battery improvements, not to mention the gateway for the AirPods.

I agree and I think they’ll have to mitigate the complaints against doing that by making an iPhone with insanely great battery life.

Then they can say to fit the biggest battery that they could into the chassis, there wasn’t room for:

the headphone jack
inductive charging
Taptic Engine

But hey you get the A11 (for battery life) and you still get a (relatively) cheap iPhone.

If the iPhone SE2 has 18-20 hours of real life usage, I’d be very happy (is that realistic?).

One other thing:

Please can the storage have a 64GB option?

That surely is the sweet spot.

32GB is not enough for most people. 128GB is overkill for most people.

 

[keatth]

No, Apple is not going to include the headphone jack on the SE 2 if released. That will completely go against all of Apples ideations of why they deleted the 3.5 Jack in the first place, which they iterated was antiquated technology and it was for using the space for camera and battery improvements, not to mention the gateway for the AirPods. A Number of Apple executives commented on how it's no longer needed.

http://bgr.com/2016/09/08/iphone-7-headphones-removal-adapter-schiller-explanation/amp/

Right here is your answer:

"You’ve got to do it at some point,” Schiller added. “Sooner or later the headphone jack is going away. There are just too many reasons aligned against it sticking around any longer. There’s a little bit of pain in every transition, but we can’t let that stop us from making it. If we did, we’d never make any progress at all.”

Wrong. iPhone SE 2 will have a headphone jack still.

 

[44267547]

Wrong. iPhone SE 2 will have a headphone jack still.

Source please? I (And many others) would be interested in knowing how you are certain. And I strongly disagree with your asserted claim based on Apples views contradicting what you posted without evidence.

 

[Beau10]

Source please? I (And many others) would be interested in knowing how you are certain. And I strongly disagree with your asserted claim based on Apples views contradicting what you posted without evidence.

I think it will largely come down to whether or not there is a hardware redesign (ie. larger screen, glass back, etc). If not, then the cost to retool the design just to eliminate the headphone jack doesn't make much sense. If there is, I agree that Apple will likely be ditching it as they've done for all new iPhone designs since the 7.

My guess is if we do indeed get an updated unit in March that there will be no external changes - we're awfully close to that point and we have yet to see any real leaks from the supply chain or case manufactures.

 

[44267547]

I think it will largely come down to whether or not there is a hardware redesign or not (ie. larger screen, glass back, etc). If not, then the cost to retool the design just to eliminate the headphone jack doesn't make much sense.

The 3.5 mm Jack is gone. It's highly unlikely To make a return. That's been clarified already by three Apple executives who were quoted directly admitting it.

Phil Schiller, Dan Riccio and Greg Joswiak all commented on the exit of the 3.5 Jack. This is more than enough evidence to prove the 3.5 Jack's future.

http://bgr.com/2016/09/08/iphone-7-headphones-removal-adapter-schiller-explanation/amp/


"Riccio explained. “It was fighting for space with camera technologies and processors and battery life. And frankly, when there’s a better, modern solution available, it’s crazy to keep it around.”


"The audio connector is more than 100 years old,” Joswiak said. “It had its last big innovation about 50 years ago. You know what that was? They made it smaller. It hasn’t been touched since then. It’s a dinosaur. It’s time to move on.”

"You’ve got to do it at some point,” Schiller added. “Sooner or later the headphone jack is going away. There are just too many reasons aligned against it sticking around any longer. There’s a little bit of pain in every transition, but we can’t let that stop us from making it. If we did, we’d never make any progress at all.”

 

[Beau10]

The 3.5 mm Jack is gone

Clearly they mean for new designs. If there is no other hardware changes, it remains.

I'm an engineer who has spent an awful lot of my career in supply chain management. A change like this, and only this, is expensive - there is no incentive for Apple to do so.

 

[44267547]

If there is no other hardware changes, it remains

Without a source, what you're posting has no validity at all and is classified nothing more than an assertion. Furthermore, I completely disagree with you On all bases, there is no reason Apple is going to retain it on the iPhone SE2 if there is a second version. If they update the chassis, which in some respects they very well could, that would debunk your original theory of why they would retain it.

Furthermore, it would go against all realms of why they would even introduce the AirPods to begin with and how they claim it's their future of wireless audio. And three executives have commented not just in relation to future technology, but how old they believe it's archaic and antiquated technology that needed to go. It Doesn't get any more evidentiary than that. But feel free to believe based on your own ideations.

 

[Beau10]

If they update the chassis, which in some respects they very well could, that would debunk your original theory of why they would retain it.

I already agreed with you if they *do a design change*, which means updating the chassis. It is unreasonably expensive otherwise to update the tooling for just this change.

Stop it with this source nonsense. You have none yourself, just an article you're drawing too much from. We're all speculating on what the next SE will be. The SE that we have is a design unmodified from the original 5 series, so at least based on past behavior, there is a solid possibility we'll just get another device with revised internals.

 

[44267547]

Stop it with this source nonsense. You have none yourself, just an article you're drawing too much from. We're all speculating on what the next SE will be.

No, There's absolutely nothing speculatory about a definitive statement that you made below stating that if "there's no other hardware changes, the Jack remains". You don't know that. Therefore, I can legitimately request for source and how you would know otherwise. Its provoking discussion and/or determine your own claim, which in Told you don't have one.

For reference again:

If there is no other hardware changes, it remains.

Furthermore:

You have none yourself, just an article you're drawing too much from.

Distortion. What more evidence do you need other than Phil Schiller stating himself that sooner or later the headphone jack is going away,. He clearly stated there are too many reasons aligned against keeping it around. That article alone as evidence in itself regardless if he's talking about the headphone jack in the future or past, it doesn't correlate with Apples views anymore. Feel free to adjunct your own narrative into this, but if you don't understand or believe directly what he said, then that's you wanting to believe something personally versus what actually is a reality.

 

[Beau10]

No, There's absolutely nothing speculatory about a definitive statement that you made below stating that if "there's no other hardware changes, the Jack remains".

It's called common sense. I work in this space. Do you?

Distortion. What more evidence do you need other than Phil Schiller stating himself that sooner or later the headphone jack is going away

Which I never disagreed - if it's redesigned, it's most likely going away. If not, it most likely remains.

There is absolutely not a single, tiny, infinitesimal shred of evidence that Mr. Schiller saying Apple's aim to remove the headphone jack means the next iteration of the SE won't have one. None, nada, zip.

I'm done with you, have a nice day.

 

[44267547]

It's called common sense. I work in this space. Do you you .

Which means and adds nothing pertinent to the discussion at all. You pushing your credentials on me doesn't guarantee anything of your viewpoints or knowledge on Apple for something you can't directly answer yourself. I'm not interested in semantics.

Which I never disagreed - if it's redesigned, it's most likely going away. If not, it most likely remains

Interesting. Because now you are back tracking your narrative stating "It most likely remains", from when you said before "It remains". So you changed your own stance on what you were claiming earlier. That's Called a conundrum.

If there is no other hardware changes, it remains.

Which you altered your own wording to contradict yourself directly below:

If not, it most likely remains.

Furthermore:

There is absolutely not a single, tiny, infinitesimal shred of evidence that Mr. Schiller saying Apple's aim to remove the headphone jack means the next iteration of the SE won't have one. None, nada, zip..

So you're asserting the fact that Schiller directly had to mention the iPhone SE to be referring to the headphone jack as a whole? That's asinine. Only the fact that he himself iterated there are too many reasons aligned to keeping it around any longer. If you choose not to believe this, it's your own denial versus what three executives have posted their own viewpoints of the headphone jack as a whole being abandoned, not just specifically for one iPhone or the future of the SE (Which they would never comment on an unrelated iPhone to begin with).

To me, you have your own personal disbeliefs based on you think what you know, But you continue to refute Apples opposition to the headphone jack in the future based off their own quoted statements.

 

[chinchillas]

Don't they mean this for thin phones such as 8 and X? The SE design is pretty thick and can support audio jack. Plus, its main market is 3rd world countries where wireless earpods/headphones aren't as popular.

The 3.5 mm Jack is gone. It's highly unlikely To make a return. That's been clarified already by three Apple executives who were quoted directly admitting it.

Phil Schiller, Dan Riccio and Greg Joswiak all commented on the exit of the 3.5 Jack. This is more than enough evidence to prove the 3.5 Jack's future.

http://bgr.com/2016/09/08/iphone-7-headphones-removal-adapter-schiller-explanation/amp/

 

[RobbyIdol]

So much heat over a headphone jack.

I was annoyed when Apple first moved away from the 3.5mm jack, but have accepted it's long term fate (particularly since competing Android/Google phones on the same level also seem to be removing the 3.5mm jack, so it's not like I can safely "switch" to a competitor anyway).

That said...

1) If the SE 2 maintains the 3.5mm jack, that is a plus for me (because I hate having 2 pairs of earbuds to mind between my phone and laptop)

2) If the SE 2 does not have a 3.5mm jack, it's about par for the course with new tech and I won't be mad or happy. It will just be expected - but it let's be real, it won't stop me from wanting an SE 2 if they keep that classic 5 chassis with modern internals/better camera.

My main gripe with Apple is MATCH YOUR LAPTOP AUDIO PORT TO YOUR PHONES ALREADY. I won't say whether Steve Jobs would have left the 3.5mm jack behind or not, but I'm pretty damn sure he wouldn't allow 2 mainstay devices to have different audio ports. That is a big hole in Apple's product design.

 

[geta]

Don't they mean this for thin phones such as 8 and X? The SE design is pretty thick and can support audio jack. Plus, its main market is 3rd world countries where wireless earpods/headphones aren't as popular.

Please stop this "its main market is 3rd world countries" nonsense! Many people enjoying carrying small sized phones instead of Phablets.
Just coz it cost less, using old casing with only 4” screen it doesn’t says anything. Some people forgetting that when it came out, it had the same internal parts from their flagship at that time (6s).

Looking forward to see if Apple gonna make only internal upgrades or full redesign for the next SE2.

 

[subjonas]

My main reason for preferring the SE over newer iPhones is the size. Low price is an added bonus, but if I could, I would pay more to get more bells and whistles.

Other reasons that I prefer the SE are the perfect case design, flush camera, Touch ID, and having at least one substantial bezel. I also like being able to occasionally use the aux headphone port.

Regarding the aux headphone port—bluetooth audio is a convenient option, but it is not a replacement for aux because of its lossy compression. They are different ways to connect for different purposes. I use the convenience of Bluetooth when I don’t care about audio quality. But when I do care I use wired connection—lightning if the sound system is compatible, otherwise aux. I would be ok losing aux if lightning became the new port standard across the board for all audio equipment. But that will never happen because lightning is Apple’s proprietary port. It would have to be usb-c. But Apple will never give up lightning. So I prefer aux stays.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

My main reason for preferring the SE over newer iPhones is the size. Low price is an added bonus, but if I could, I would pay more to get more bells and whistles.

Other reasons that I prefer the SE are the perfect case design, flush camera, Touch ID, and having at least one substantial bezel. I also like being able to occasionally use the aux headphone port.

Regarding the aux headphone port—bluetooth audio is a convenient option, but it is not a replacement for aux because of its lossy compression. They are different ways to connect for different purposes. I use the convenience of Bluetooth when I don’t care about audio quality. But when I do care I use wired connection—lightning if the sound system is compatible, otherwise aux. I would be ok losing aux if lightning became the new port standard across the board for all audio equipment. But that will never happen because lightning is Apple’s proprietary port. It would have to be usb-c. But Apple will never give up lightning. So I prefer aux stays.

My big gripe about Apple dropping the headphone jack is that their lightning-headphone adapter does not have a second port on it for charging the phone, and most all of the third-party products have poor reviews/build quality, and are too bulky.

I agree that forcing us to switch to Bluetooth audio leaves us to deal with lossy compressed audio, and leaves us another item that we have to charge.