iPhone X IPhone X Could go End of Life Summer 2018 for Low Demand

[The-Real-Deal82]

Price is another story, but I don’t think it has been the deterrent some think it is.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. The X is nearly double the price of the 8 on contract and sales of older devices have started to boom since its release. That’s been reported quite extensively. I’m pretty sure price has become quite an important factor of late.

I'm sorry for the haters, but neither the price nor the notch and face id are going away. You might want to start looking for another Company to buy your phones from instead.

Or consumers who rely on the iPhone can buy older models and the cheaper alternatives Apple offer. Surely that’s better than Apple losing around 80 million consumers worldwide who don’t want to pay for the X? That would be a lot of profit and market share to lose and I can’t see Apple turning their backs on that part of their market.

 

[Precursor]

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. The X is nearly double the price of the 8 on contract and sales of older devices have started to boom since its release. That’s been reported quite extensively. I’m pretty sure price has become quite an important factor of late.

Or consumers who rely on the iPhone can buy older models and the cheaper alternatives Apple offer. Surely that’s better than Apple losing around 80 million consumers worldwide who don’t want to pay for the X? That would be a lot of profit and market share to lose and I can’t see Apple turning their backs on that part of their market.

That's a killer strategy when you think about it. When Apple increased the price of their flagship, Samsung and other Androids followed, which left the iPhone 8 and below models superior to other middle class Android phones. That lured more people into Apple ecosystem. Win-win-win.

 

[apolloa]

Speak about things you know something about. In the US, why spend $999 all at once when carriers let you divide that up over 24 months ?

I do know about it thanks, and it depends on your usage, I was mearly pointing out the fact that buying an iPhone on contract is not always cheap and does not allow you to have ANY iPhone you want.
If someone didn’t care about the platform they had, they could look at the X and then the S8 and the S8 would be half the cost or less then the X. As an example.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

That's a killer strategy when you think about it. When Apple increased the price of their flagship, Samsung and other Androids followed, which left the iPhone 8 and below models superior to other middle class Android phones. That lured more people into Apple ecosystem. Win-win-win.

I’m not sure it lured people in so much. I think a lot of people who usually upgrade to the latest device actually saved money by going for older models or considered alternatives. I know an awful lot of people who did that.

I think it’s shaken the market up and made the average consumer question what they need in a smartphone and how much they’d like to pay.

 

[Precursor]

I’m not sure it lured people in so much. I think a lot of people who usually upgrade to the latest device actually saved money by going for older models or considered alternatives. I know an awful lot of people who did that.

I think it’s shaken the market up and made the average consumer question what they need in a smartphone and how much they’d like to pay.

I know a lot of people and companies who bought iPhone 7 & 7+ though, even after iPhone X came out. Sales numbers prove this as well.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I know a lot of people and companies who bought iPhone 7 & 7+ though, even after iPhone X came out. Sales numbers prove this as well.

The company I work for upgraded staff to iPhone 7’s too. Probably around 150 devices. Sales are healthy no doubt, but whether it’s the latest phones remains to be seen.

 

[rafark]

Well, so did the PowerPC Cube and it disappeared after flopping. The 5C also went bye-bye after flopping. The camera iPod Nano went bye-bye.

Just because it costed money doesn’t mean it won’t go away. Apple will just write those costs out. Also, the $1k price tag very likely made up for R&D.

All of those exmples were secondary, non-leading products, you can easily experimet and get rid of them as needed. This time we're talking about their most important product, which accounts for, I believe, 3/4 of their revenue: the iphone. All these years of developmet weren't only for one model (the x), but for all iphone models and most likely ipads as well. This is a big proyect and it has just started.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. The X is nearly double the price of the 8 on contract and sales of older devices have started to boom since its release. That’s been reported quite extensively. I’m pretty sure price has become quite an important factor of late.

Or consumers who rely on the iPhone can buy older models and the cheaper alternatives Apple offer. Surely that’s better than Apple losing around 80 million consumers worldwide who don’t want to pay for the X? That would be a lot of profit and market share to lose and I can’t see Apple turning their backs on that part of their market.

Of course, but I meant in the future. Perhaps apple will decide to keep the iphone 6 as the new SE (cheap but old), while their main models will be X-like.

 

[44267547]

If you have to finance your mobile phone, you have more serious problems......

I have to disagree with your assertion, and I don't think it's necessarily accurate. I will say there are those who can afford the most expensive iPhone X and could pay out right for it, but finance it based on it's more convenient for them depending on when they upgrade based on their monthly payment situation. Very few consumers pay out right for their iPhones or smart phones anymore. It's not necessarily that financing is the answer, it's just a convenience factor to finance it.

Edit: For reference, read post #85 for an example Exemplifying my Post by Mefisto.

 

[Precursor]

The company I work for upgraded staff to iPhone 7’s too. Probably around 150 devices. Sales are healthy no doubt, but whether it’s the latest phones remains to be seen.

Same with my company
My point was that while not the latest phones, these sales are luring more people into Apple ecosystem. Many of my colleagues who had been using android phones for life became Apple fans after using the company given phones. Nobody in my company wants to use Android company phones anymore.

 

[Mefisto]

I have to disagree with your assertion, and I don't think it's necessarily accurate. I will say there are those who can afford the most expensive iPhone X and could pay out right for it, but finance it based on it's more convenient for them depending on when they upgrade based on their monthly payment situation. Very few consumers pay out right for their iPhones or smart phones anymore. It's not necessarily that financing is the answer, it's just a convenience factor to finance it.

This right here.

I could have bought the phone outright, it wouldn't have necessarily been comfortable, but certainly possible. But why would I when I can divide the cost to be added to my phone bill over 24 months on a carrier I've stayed on for 7 years already and have no intention of leaving? If at some time during those 24 months I want / need a new phone, I pay the remaining sum and that's it.

But it would appear that the system is somewhat different depending on the country. A while ago, if I'm not completely misremembering financing an iPhone here would actually cost less (measured in cents, but still) that buying one outright.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Of course, but I meant in the future. Perhaps apple will decide to keep the iphone 6 as the new SE (cheap but old), while their main models will be X-like.

I think a lot of the appeal of the current SE is it’s current size. My wife got rid of her 6 as it’s too big for here and the SE was ideal. I think there’s still a market for consumers after smaller phones.

Same with my company
My point was that while not the latest phones, these sales are luring more people into Apple ecosystem. Many of my colleagues who had been using android phones for life became Apple fans after using the company given phones. Nobody in my company wants to use Android company phones anymore.

We’ve always been able to get older iPhones cheaper though. It’s swings and roundabouts as there are people who are long term iPhones users now paying less because of the price increases. I think sales are healthy but supposedly there’s a drop in people upgrading too. Interesting times I think.

 

[apolloa]

I have to disagree with your assertion, and I don't think it's necessarily accurate. I will say there are those who can afford the most expensive iPhone X and could pay out right for it, but finance it based on it's more convenient for them depending on when they upgrade based on their monthly payment situation. Very few consumers pay out right for their iPhones or smart phones anymore. It's not necessarily that financing is the answer, it's just a convenience factor to finance it.

Edit: For reference, read post #85 for an example Exemplifying my Post by Mefisto.

And you are wrong as I know the majority of people in the U.K. do buy their phones outright, we have so many SIM only plans to back that claim up too.
You are consistently looking at one market, your own, for your argument, I am looking beyond one market as they all varie and are not the same. Your opinion is not valid across different markets.

And I would say again if someone has to finance a phone because they cannot afford it then they have more serious issues if they choose to do so.
A mobile contract exists to provide calls text and data as well as the phone, this to me is different to financing a phone on its own because you cannot afford it.
And contract prices are high for the iPhone especially the X as I stated above.

 

[Eduardboon]

I have to disagree with your assertion, and I don't think it's necessarily accurate. I will say there are those who can afford the most expensive iPhone X and could pay out right for it, but finance it based on it's more convenient for them depending on when they upgrade based on their monthly payment situation. Very few consumers pay out right for their iPhones or smart phones anymore. It's not necessarily that financing is the answer, it's just a convenience factor to finance it.

Edit: For reference, read post #85 for an example Exemplifying my Post by Mefisto.

In the Netherlands most people just buy their phones outright. Some still use financing since our cellular providers offer a zero percent interest programme, but when buying phones that cost more than 300 euro's we get registered in a database which makes it harder to get a loan for housing.

So yeah, buying outright is the best thing to do here. It's also a culture thing I guess, we also don't use creditcards that much. Or cash.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

And you are wrong as I know the majority of people in the U.K. do buy their phones outright, we have so many SIM only plans to back that claim up too.

I wouldn’t say most people are doing this with new flagships but the sim only deals are booming as smartphones are being kept longer I think. I know a lot of people who have come to the end of their contracts and bought these sims as you can get great deals for data etc.

I don’t know many people, if any that would buy a new iPhone outright though. I’m sure people do but not in any of my circles.

 

[Falhófnir]

No validity whatsoever in ending production in the summer.

If they have enough stock backed up to comfortably cover projected sales up until September then why go on producing excess units? It might be the case that they will end X production and start XI production immediately after - I don’t see them selling the X at 899 and the XI at 999, so in all likelihood it will be a straight up replacement, the X will disappear in favour of the XI with the LCD ‘9’ taking the place of the 8 and the 8 and 7 moving down a slot respectively.
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I don’t know many people, if any that would buy a new iPhone outright though. I’m sure people do but not in any of my circles.

I tend to buy mine outright but I don’t know a lot of other people that do - I find it often works out cheaper to pay for the iPhone (especially if John Lewis have it for a discounted price) and then get a sim only deal to go with it (thank goodness we don’t have the US’ carrier lock & GSM - CDMA split!)

 

[Newtons Apple]

In the Netherlands most people just buy their phones outright. Some still use financing since our cellular providers offer a zero percent interest programme, but when buying phones that cost more than 300 euro's we get registered in a database which makes it harder to get a loan for housing.

So yeah, buying outright is the best thing to do here. It's also a culture thing I guess, we also don't use creditcards that much. Or cash.

Are you saying you government can penalize you for buying a phone over 300 euros?

 

[Eduardboon]

Are you saying you government can penalize you for buying a phone over 300 euros?

Practically; yes. But only if you finance it through a loan.

We had a problem with people going into serious debt because of phones and them still being able to renew their contracts with the most expensive phones. This helps with that because they won't be able to afford living in a house. (even though this is written very black and white, there are MANY nuances and it actually is working quite well)

I would assume it's similar to how your credit rating goes down if you just check it for a credit card, loan or etc. It doesn't effect it directly but indirectly since it shows you have a "loan"?

This.

 

[Closingracer]

Are you saying you government can penalize you for buying a phone over 300 euros?

I would assume it's similar to how your credit rating goes down if you just check it for a credit card, loan or etc. It doesn't effect it directly but indirectly since it shows you have a "loan"?

 

[Closingracer]

This right here.

I could have bought the phone outright, it wouldn't have necessarily been comfortable, but certainly possible. But why would I when I can divide the cost to be added to my phone bill over 24 months on a carrier I've stayed on for 7 years already and have no intention of leaving? If at some time during those 24 months I want / need a new phone, I pay the remaining sum and that's it.

But it would appear that the system is somewhat different depending on the country. A while ago, if I'm not completely misremembering financing an iPhone here would actually cost less (measured in cents, but still) that buying one outright.

Yeah but now it's the same if you finance or not with the exception of sprint where you can actually lease it. I paid for my Note 8 in full and I can skip on Verizon when I want to. Actually considering it since Rok mobile (MVNO for Verizon, Sprint and AT&T) and is way cheaper then Verizon for about the same features

 

[jav6454]

It seems MR Bot did their article.

 

[44267547]

And you are wrong as I know the majority of people in the U.K. do buy their phones outright, we have so many SIM only plans to back that claim up too..

Three other members indicated your assertion is skewed. You can speak for the UK, but when smart phones are bridging over $1000, the majority finance their phones because it's more transitional in payments. Even for those who could purchase their iPhones out right, why wouldn't they take the option if carriers are allowing them to divide the payments over 24 months with no interest? It's logic. In Which the consumer likely would upgrade again when the 24 months is due, That's the logical reason why somebody would finance depending on how often they want to upgrade and or keep their iPhone.

Especially since iPhone/smart phones are becoming more expensive in general, consumers are retaining their devices longer because it's so expensive to upgrade as it is. So that alone is an example of why somebody would might finance their smart phone.
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If they have enough stock backed up to comfortably cover projected sales up until September then why go on producing excess units? It might be the case that they will end X production and start XI production immediately after - I don’t see them selling the X at 899 and the XI at 999, so in all likelihood it will be a straight up replacement, the X will disappear in favour of the XI with the LCD ‘9’ taking the place of the 8 and the 8 and 7 moving down a slot respectively.

According to the latest report today, the iPhone X will be discontinued with the launch of the secondary generation X, which would make complete sense based To avoid conflation. And I agree at some point likely during the production months of July/August of 2018, the first X will be discontinued, which at that time Apple will have a better idea of what they have for remaining stock for the original X.

 

[funinhounslow]

Three other members indicated your assertion is skewed. You can speak for the UK, but when smart phones are bridging over $1000, the majority finance their phones because it's more transitional in payments. Even for those who could purchase their iPhones out right, why wouldn't they take the option if carriers are allowing them to divide the payments over 24 months with no interest? It's logic. In Which the consumer likely would upgrade again when the 24 months is due, That's the logical reason why somebody would finance depending on how often they want to upgrade and or keep their iPhone.

Especially since iPhone/smart phones are becoming more expensive in general, consumers are retaining their devices longer because it's so expensive to upgrade as it is. So that alone is an example of why somebody would might finance their smart phone.
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According to the latest report today, the iPhone X will be discontinued with the launch of the secondary generation X, which would make complete sense based To avoid conflation. And I agree at some point likely during the production months of July/August of 2018, the first X will be discontinued, which at that time Apple will have a better idea of what they have for remaining stock for the original X.

Because (in the UK) the phone is then locked to the carrier's network for the term of the contract and it is then a bit of a faff to unlock it. It is also generally cheaper to buy the phone outright and get a SIM only deal to go with it.

 

[44267547]

Because (in the UK) the phone is then locked to the carrier's network for the term of the contract and it is then a bit of a faff to unlock it. It is also generally cheaper to buy the phone outright and get a SIM only deal to go with it.

And as I indicated earlier, I can't speak for the UK itself. But generally speaking in terms of how relative iPhones are becoming more increasingly expensive, financing is becoming more popular than ever because of inflation.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Because (in the UK) the phone is then locked to the carrier's network for the term of the contract and it is then a bit of a faff to unlock it. It is also generally cheaper to buy the phone outright and get a SIM only deal to go with it.

If you are with O2 you can unlock it at anytime through the app for free. Carriers like EE charge a fee and I think you can only unlock at the end of the contract but could be wrong. I unlocked my 6S one month into my contract.

 

[andyw715]

Makes sense to me.

Currently Apple sells - Do they need all these SKU's?
X
8/8 Plus
7/7 Plus
6s/6s Plus
6SE

Keep the 8/8 Plus around for another year - or maybe an update with FaceID (discounted), update the 6SE (2018 version of the feature phone), and of course new OLED phones (premium).