iPhone X IPhone X Could go End of Life Summer 2018 for Low Demand

[apolloa]

Three other members indicated your assertion is skewed. You can speak for the UK, but when smart phones are bridging over $1000, the majority finance their phones because it's more transitional in payments. Even for those who could purchase their iPhones out right, why wouldn't they take the option if carriers are allowing them to divide the payments over 24 months with no interest? It's logic. In Which the consumer likely would upgrade again when the 24 months is due, That's the logical reason why somebody would finance depending on how often they want to upgrade and or keep their iPhone.

Especially since iPhone/smart phones are becoming more expensive in general, consumers are retaining their devices longer because it's so expensive to upgrade as it is. So that alone is an example of why somebody would might finance their smart phone.
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According to the latest report today, the iPhone X will be discontinued with the launch of the secondary generation X, which would make complete sense based To avoid conflation. And I agree at some point likely during the production months of July/August of 2018, the first X will be discontinued, which at that time Apple will have a better idea of what they have for remaining stock for the original X.

That’s a mobile phone contract, not a mobile phone finance deal. You are either talking about a contract with included minutes and data and text, or you are talking anymore it a finance deal for a photo me, which is it?
And my opinion is not skewed in the slightest, I just don’t have blinkers on looking at one market only.. the sheer number of sim only contracts available in the U.K. exist because people buy their phones outright. Doesn’t mean contracts or pay as you go don’t exist, but neither are those two options exclusive.

 

[44267547]

And my opinion is not skewed in the slightest,.

Disagree, see below:

If you have to finance your mobile phone, you have more serious problems......

Let's revisit your first post, if this is what you're stating, it's completely false. You can twist your narrative anyway you want, but Just because someone finances their phone, does not mean they have more "Serious problems". There is nothing accurate behind that statement. The point is, why wouldn't somebody take advantage of 24 month financing if they have the opportunity to even if they could purchase their iPhone out right regardless. It just seems you don't have a logical understanding behind the context over your own statement. You can turn the script anyway you want, but that's my point from the beginning, financing a phone in general doesn't necessarily mean someone has problems.

 

[Bawstun]

It may be the smartphone of the moment, but a new leak reveals Apple will soon cancel the iPhone X. And the source could not be more credible…

In a new report obtained by AppleInsider, acclaimed KGI Securities’ analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says disappointing sales of the iPhone X will lead to the cancellation of the model “with production ceasing in the summer”. This would be the first time Apple has canceled an iPhone model after just one generation since the iPhone 5C in 2014.
[doublepost=1516669385][/doublepost]Gosh, there are few things I love in life more than being RIGHT about things. I mean it takes time, and patience is a virtue, but it just seems so much sweeter!

For months and months and months I posted that the iPhone X was a “test” model that would be buggy and incomplete - and probably hurt sales due to lack of headphone jack and ugly notch, etc etc.


Noooooo I was told, never in a hundred thousand years! Apple tests everything! Apple knows their base!

Hahaha! Discontinued after 1 cycle. Joining the plastic 5C as a trash release.

Try something UNDER $1,000 for a phone, Apple. Saw this flop 15 miles away.

 

[boltjames]

It may be the smartphone of the moment, but a new leak reveals Apple will soon cancel the iPhone X. And the source could not be more credible…

In a new report obtained by AppleInsider, acclaimed KGI Securities’ analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says disappointing sales of the iPhone X will lead to the cancellation of the model “with production ceasing in the summer”. This would be the first time Apple has canceled an iPhone model after just one generation since the iPhone 5C in 2014.
[doublepost=1516669385][/doublepost]Gosh, there are few things I love in life more than being RIGHT about things. I mean it takes time, and patience is a virtue, but it just seems so much sweeter!

For months and months and months I posted that the iPhone X was a “test” model that would be buggy and incomplete - and probably hurt sales due to lack of headphone jack and ugly notch, etc etc.


Noooooo I was told, never in a hundred thousand years! Apple tests everything! Apple knows their base!

Hahaha! Discontinued after 1 cycle. Joining the plastic 5C as a trash release.

Try something UNDER $1,000 for a phone, Apple. Saw this flop 15 miles away.

Not going to happen. Stop already.

 

[barjam]

It may be the smartphone of the moment, but a new leak reveals Apple will soon cancel the iPhone X. And the source could not be more credible…

In a new report obtained by AppleInsider, acclaimed KGI Securities’ analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says disappointing sales of the iPhone X will lead to the cancellation of the model “with production ceasing in the summer”. This would be the first time Apple has canceled an iPhone model after just one generation since the iPhone 5C in 2014.
[doublepost=1516669385][/doublepost]Gosh, there are few things I love in life more than being RIGHT about things. I mean it takes time, and patience is a virtue, but it just seems so much sweeter!

For months and months and months I posted that the iPhone X was a “test” model that would be buggy and incomplete - and probably hurt sales due to lack of headphone jack and ugly notch, etc etc.


Noooooo I was told, never in a hundred thousand years! Apple tests everything! Apple knows their base!

Hahaha! Discontinued after 1 cycle. Joining the plastic 5C as a trash release.

Try something UNDER $1,000 for a phone, Apple. Saw this flop 15 miles away.

This doesn’t surprise me at all, the 9 will be an X style phone and the 8 will be the “cheap” option.

If folks think we are getting headphone jacks back or a return to the home button they are delusional.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

This doesn’t surprise me at all, the 9 will be an X style phone and the 8 will be the “cheap” option.

If folks think we are getting headphone jacks back or a return to the home button they are delusional.

Not sure how you can claim the 8 is the cheap option lol. It would have to be cheap in price for that to be a reality. Ironic considering the last word of your post.

 

[44267547]

Not sure how you can claim the 8 is the cheap option lol. It would have to be cheap in price for that to be a reality. Ironic considering the last word of your post.

Even if somebody wanted to consider the iPhone 8 "Cheap", at minimum, even the base model for the 4.7 iPhone 8 is $700. That's not cheap. And neither is the quality the iPhone 8. I think others misconstrue the word "Cheap" when applying in comparison to an iPhone.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I wouldn’t say most people are doing this with new flagships but the sim only deals are booming as smartphones are being kept longer I think. I know a lot of people who have come to the end of their contracts and bought these sims as you can get great deals for data etc.

I don’t know many people, if any that would buy a new iPhone outright though. I’m sure people do but not in any of my circles.

Maybe they are buying £300 or less android handsets outright. However I can’t see them buying iPhones or even Samsung flagships outright.

 

[boltjames]

Maybe they are buying £300 or less android handsets outright. However I can’t see them buying iPhones or even Samsung flagships outright.

Has Apple history taught you nothing?

They are the biggest company in the world and they sell expensive, luxury versions of commonplace electronics. They sell $2,000 notebooks while Dell and HP give ‘em away at Best Buy for $399. They sell $500 watches, $150 streamers, and now $1000 smartphones.

“Cheap” isn’t in Apple’s vocabulary. They are about to announce record earnings in a quarter where they by far have the most expensive iPhone lineup in their history. Ask yourself how that is possible and you will understand who Apple’s real customers are and why “buying outright” isn’t an issue.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Has Apple history taught you nothing?

They are the biggest company in the world and they sell expensive, luxury versions of commonplace electronics. They sell $2,000 notebooks while Dell and HP give ‘em away at Best Buy for $399. They sell $500 watches, $150 streamers, and now $1000 smartphones.

“Cheap” isn’t in Apple’s vocabulary. They are about to announce record earnings in a quarter where they by far have the most expensive iPhone lineup in their history. Ask yourself how that is possible and you will understand who Apple’s real customers are and why “buying outright” isn’t an issue.

I buy Apple phones outright but I don’t know anyone else who does apart from people who post oh tech forums. Most of my friends and family think I’m crazy for spending so much on a phone every year. Even my husband.

 

[DNichter]

I am not sure why I keep seeing posts about this. Why would it matter to any of us? They come out with new iPhone's every year, what's the point of discussing this?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Maybe they are buying £300 or less android handsets outright. However I can’t see them buying iPhones or even Samsung flagships outright.

That is a more likely scenario. I would say most iPhones are sold on contract these days due to it being easier to pay off monthly.

 

[boltjames]

I buy Apple phones outright but I don’t know anyone else who does apart from people who post oh tech forums. Most of my friends and family think I’m crazy for spending so much on a phone every year. Even my husband.

My wife thinks the same of me until she picks up her new iPhone; then she understands completely. The key for you is to make sure you get your husband his shiny new iPhone on the same day you get yours

We're in a transition period where the subsidies have stopped and people pay full price for their iPhone's now. Sticker shock for many people still in their iPhone 6's bought the old way and heavily discounted, some for as little as $99 or even $0 in the US.

Apple clearly is getting their smartphone division up to the same strategy and focus as their notebook, computer, streamer, and watch divisions- make superior products at luxury prices for luxury consumers. Those who would never pay $1250 on a smartphone mistakenly think that Apple is making a mistake and outpricing their customers. History shows us that's not the case and that Apple is willing to give up market share and make it back on profitability. That's what's going on with iPhone X. And the 8 and 8+ just by a slightly lesser extent.

 

[jav6454]

I am not sure why I keep seeing posts about this. Why would it matter to any of us? They come out with new iPhone's every year, what's the point of discussing this?

In this case because the iPhone X is supposed to be "the flagship device" for this new supercycle. So if it goes out, that means Apple screwed up somewhere.

 

[DNichter]

In this case because the iPhone X is supposed to be "the flagship device" for this new supercycle. So if it goes out, that means Apple screwed up somewhere.

I am not sure where you get that from. It's obviously still the flagship until they release the second generation later this year.

 

[jav6454]

I am not sure where you get that from. It's obviously still the flagship until they release the second generation later this year.

That's whats being discussed here. I am not pulling it out of thin air.

 

[DNichter]

That's whats being discussed here. I am not pulling it out of thin air.

The discussion is around whether or not the X is the flagship iPhone? Of course it is. They bring out a better iPhone every year. What's to discuss? It seems like it's more for people who like to trash Apple and/or the X and think it makes any difference to those who have one.

 

[Falhófnir]

This.

Current analyst estimates have Apple selling a “disappointing” 35 MILLION iPhone X’s.

That would produce “only” $43 BILLION dollars in revenue in a single quarter.

As a point of reference, Coca Cola does $43 BILLION in revenue in a whole year. Same for Volvo. What a failure the iPhone X must be.

Canalys are now saying 29 million - and a significant portion of which are via upgrade programmes that reduce the cost of the device. $29 billion is by no means a bad revenue from a single product for a single quarter, but it does raise some questions about the sustainability of a model at that price point when smartphones aren't exciting tech any more.

 

[newellj]

Canalys are now saying 29 million - and a significant portion of which are via upgrade programmes that reduce the cost of the device. $29 billion is by no means a bad revenue from a single product for a single quarter, but it does raise some questions about the sustainability of a model at that price point when smartphones aren't exciting tech any more.

Arguably, FaceID and pseudo-elimination of bezels was supposed to provide excitement for the 2017-2018 iPhone cycle? I guess the returns so far are good but not exactly overwhelming - Apple may have a second generation FID phone that will provide another attempt at market excitement? - which is consistent with making the X just plain disappear next year, rather than slide gracefully into the "recent/still for sale at discounted prices" category.

 

[Falhófnir]

Arguably, FaceID and pseudo-elimination of bezels was supposed to provide excitement for the 2017-2018 iPhone cycle? I guess the returns so far are good but not exactly overwhelming - Apple may have a second generation FID phone that will provide another attempt at market excitement? - which is consistent with making the X just plain disappear next year, rather than slide gracefully into the "recent/still for sale at discounted prices" category.

I think that highlights the issue, all they have left is form factor tweaks and reinventing the biometric wheel by way of innovations. To the average user, there is zero real benefit of a X over an 8+, other than because Apple says it’s the best iPhone ever... Because of that there’s little reason for most people to want one at an inflated price, and because of that, once the ‘latest and greatest’ seekers have one, there’s little demand left. This is why I don’t think a $1,000 model will work in perpetuity, they will just run out of people willing to buy it while having to come up with ever more expensive features to try and make it attractive.

 

[boltjames]

I am not sure why I keep seeing posts about this. Why would it matter to any of us? They come out with new iPhone's every year, what's the point of discussing this?

There are people who think that if Apple updates the processor in the iPhone X this Fall that somehow it's "end of life" and a poorly performing product. The X is a bust! The sky is falling!

Funny, no one ever said that about the iPhone 5 when it went 5S or the 6 when it went 6S. They just said "Apple is updating like they always do".

The level of anti-Apple sentiment in the forums is hitting outrageous levels. The people out to 'get' Apple are out in full force. And Apple just had its best quarter in company history. Awesome.
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In this case because the iPhone X is supposed to be "the flagship device" for this new supercycle. So if it goes out, that means Apple screwed up somewhere.

LOL. If the "flagship device" gets an upgraded processor, so what? "It's a supercycle screwup!" Oh, really? LOLOLOLOL.

 

[newellj]

I think that highlights the issue, all they have left is form factor tweaks and reinventing the biometric wheel by way of innovations. To the average user, there is zero real benefit of a X over an 8+, other than because Apple says it’s the best iPhone ever... Because of that there’s little reason for most people to want one at an inflated price, and because of that, once the ‘latest and greatest’ seekers have one, there’s little demand left. This is why I don’t think a $1,000 model will work in perpetuity, they will just run out of people willing to buy it while having to come up with ever more expensive features to try and make it attractive.

I think the points about what the average user perceives as valuable and the price point are probably right on target. Among other things, FaceID will have to do something other than just replace the functionality of TouchID if people are going to spring for the higher cost update. Right now, as far as I can tell, the only carrot Apple is offering is "more secure," which isn't exactly compelling for most people. People who had trouble with TouchID seem to be happier with FaceID, but there's a vocal group that really hates FaceID, too, so perhaps it all evens out as far as market adoption goes.

 

[sean000]

I think that highlights the issue, all they have left is form factor tweaks and reinventing the biometric wheel by way of innovations. To the average user, there is zero real benefit of a X over an 8+, other than because Apple says it’s the best iPhone ever... Because of that there’s little reason for most people to want one at an inflated price, and because of that, once the ‘latest and greatest’ seekers have one, there’s little demand left. This is why I don’t think a $1,000 model will work in perpetuity, they will just run out of people willing to buy it while having to come up with ever more expensive features to try and make it attractive.

For me the best reason to buy the X, by far, has been to get the dual camera in a smaller form factor. I simply cannot get past the size of the 8 Plus. Even the X is pushing the limit of how large a smarphone I'm willing to carry and use. As an amateur photographer I probably care more about the camera capabilities than a typical user, but my wife has also commented that the dual camera (and upgraded camera) is the most compelling reason for her to consider the X. She doesn't want a Plus phone either. She also likes the display of the X quite a lot. When you compare it to an iPhone 6 it's quite a bit larger and easier to read. Yes the 8+ might be even better in that regard, but the size of the 8+ is a nonstarter for many.

 

[newellj]

There are people who think that if Apple updates the processor in the iPhone X this Fall that somehow it's "end of life" and a poorly performing product. The X is a bust! The sky is falling!

Funny, no one ever said that about the iPhone 5 when it went 5S or the 6 when it went 6S. They just said "Apple is updating like they always do".

The level of anti-Apple sentiment in the forums is hitting outrageous levels. The people out to 'get' Apple are out in full force. And Apple just had its best quarter in company history. Awesome.
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LOL. If the "flagship device" gets an upgraded processor, so what? "It's a supercycle screwup!" Oh, really? LOLOLOLOL.

Having owned the X and the 8 and gone back to the 7, I would say that the CPU and GPU processor speeds in the X and the 8 are so immensely faster than the 7 that it's hard to imagine that speeding up the XI or other future iPhones is a big deal to most users. Then again, when I went back to the 7, which runs about half the speed of the X/8, i really didn't notice at all. I think there are diminishing returns here, which probably accounts for the surprisingly (at least to me) strong sales since September of the 6S and 7.

 

[boltjames]

Canalys are now saying 29 million - and a significant portion of which are via upgrade programmes that reduce the cost of the device. $29 billion is by no means a bad revenue from a single product for a single quarter, but it does raise some questions about the sustainability of a model at that price point when smartphones aren't exciting tech any more.

Big Business is all about profitability. It's not about unit sales. It's about profit dollars. If memory serves correctly, not only is the iPhone X the most profitable iPhone ever made on a percentage basis but it generates about 2.5x more profit per unit than the iPhone 7. So Apple could sell half as many iPhone X's as iPhone 7's (the sky is falling!) and make more profit dollars in the process (the sky is not falling) which would most certainly be the plan in a holiday selling season where Apple had the SE, 6, 7, and 8 competing with it.

You don't look at the X in a vacuum of sales units. You look at overall iPhone profits and that tells the story of Apple's strategy to take prices up and diversify the line.