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I actually expected this to be the only release - I’ve always viewed it as the 10th anniversary edition of the phone - a one-off version of their hardware showcasing something new.

Surely though the 6/7/8 design will be permanently retired, in terms of not releasing anymore new phones with this same design... right?
 
Surely though the 6/7/8 design will be permanently retired, in terms of not releasing anymore new phones with this same design... right?

Since the designs of the 6/6S/7/8 utilize touch ID, those designs are likely going to be discontinued with the continuation of Face ID and no home button. I think the rumors are very true with a 6.1 (LCD)/5.8/6.5 iPhone for 2018.
 
Isn’t the X being EOL a given? It was a special edition during the year of the iPhone 8.

I’d imagine next year will continue on with the iPhone 9 series of phones with the the look and functionality of the X.

It’s EOL because technically there won’t be an X2, X3, etc, but the phones will still be a continuation of the X design and functionality.
 
Heavens to Betsy, what will become of me?

Is that Betsy, or Beta-sy? :D :D :D

And just for the record, although I did return my X, I think referring to it as a "beta" attempt is...well, I should observe forum rules, so I'm just going to say...profoundly uninformed.
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I actually expected this to be the only release - I’ve always viewed it as the 10th anniversary edition of the phone - a one-off version of their hardware showcasing something new.

That might be right, but I think it's pretty clear that the FaceID hardware that Apple introduced in the X is here to stay, for better and/or for worse.
 
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And as I indicated earlier, I can't speak for the UK itself. But generally speaking in terms of how relative iPhones are becoming more increasingly expensive, financing is becoming more popular than ever because of inflation.

Here most people just buy the phone outright; contracts are still available but much less common with all the sim-only deals.
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Maybe they are buying £300 or less android handsets outright. However I can’t see them buying iPhones or even Samsung flagships outright.

I've always bought my phones outright; that's how I got my 8 then my X. I don't want to be in hock to any one carrier.
 
Isn’t the X being EOL a given? It was a special edition during the year of the iPhone 8.

I’d imagine next year will continue on with the iPhone 9 series of phones with the the look and functionality of the X.

It’s EOL because technically there won’t be an X2, X3, etc, but the phones will still be a continuation of the X design and functionality.

Agreed. Which is why all the YouTubers and media going on about Apple and its doomsday are ridiculous. The X sold incredibly well in the last quarter. And there will be an updated version in the next few months that looks like the X, but will be slightly different in some key ways.
 
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Isn’t the X being EOL a given? It was a special edition during the year of the iPhone 8.

I’d imagine next year will continue on with the iPhone 9 series of phones with the the look and functionality of the X.

It’s EOL because technically there won’t be an X2, X3, etc, but the phones will still be a continuation of the X design and functionality.

So you think Apple will enhance the X design and call it iPhone 9?

That doesn't make any sense. It will have better specs and a better antenna design, yet the number will drop from 10 to 9?
 
So you think Apple will enhance the X design and call it iPhone 9?

That doesn't make any sense. It will have better specs and a better antenna design, yet the number will drop from 10 to 9?

Can't speak for the other poster, but I believe the X is its own line and will not see it's look and featureset absorbed by the lesser models. Here's what I see:

X >>> X2 >>> X3

8 >>> 8S >>> 9 >>> 9S

The "X" Series gets Face ID and OLED exclusively and will always have better cameras and faster processors.

The "Number" Series advances beyond the 6/7/8 but still looks the same, keeps Touch ID and LCD and never gets the better features of the X Line.
 
Can't speak for the other poster, but I believe the X is its own line and will not see it's look and featureset absorbed by the lesser models. Here's what I see:

X >>> X2 >>> X3

8 >>> 8S >>> 9 >>> 9S

The "X" Series gets Face ID and OLED exclusively and will always have better cameras and faster processors.

The "Number" Series advances beyond the 6/7/8 but still looks the same, keeps Touch ID and LCD and never gets the better features of the X Line.

Based on your nomenclature, where would the 6.1" product fit? It has Face ID and a single rear camera along with LCD.

Personally, I would be surprised if iPhone 8 received another update. The 6.1" product already occupies the $699-799 space.
 
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Can't speak for the other poster, but I believe the X is its own line and will not see it's look and featureset absorbed by the lesser models. Here's what I see:

X >>> X2 >>> X3

8 >>> 8S >>> 9 >>> 9S

The "X" Series gets Face ID and OLED exclusively and will always have better cameras and faster processors.

The "Number" Series advances beyond the 6/7/8 but still looks the same, keeps Touch ID and LCD and never gets the better features of the X Line.

The problem is that Apple has already said that the iPhone X is the “future of iPhone design” going forward. That implies to me that they’re going to have one unified design at some point, most likely next year.

I can’t see them carrying on in the way you’ve laid out above. That would mean that two years from now (at most), they’d absolutely have to come out with a new design for the 9 series and a completely different one for the X3.
 
The problem is that Apple has already said that the iPhone X is the “future of iPhone design” going forward. That implies to me that they’re going to have one unified design at some point, most likely next year.

I can’t see them carrying on in the way you’ve laid out above. That would mean that two years from now (at most), they’d absolutely have to come out with a new design for the 9 series and a completely different one for the X3.

Think different.

Look at the 12" MacBook which stands alone as a "future of notebook design" going on its 4th year now virtually unchanged and with features that haven't moved down the line to the other MacBook's. The Smartphone market is very crowded and Apple stands alone against 25+ Android competitors and in an age where phones are no longer $0 on a contract.

So having a top-of-the-line iPhone X Series with demonstrable feature differences from the plebeian 4/5/6/7/8 Series makes a ton of sense, no different than how Mercedes has it's C/E/S Class or BMW has its 3/5/7 Classes. That's what luxury brands do. They make one basic item (a car) and then differentiate them (size, features, price).
 
Think different.

Look at the 12" MacBook which stands alone as a "future of notebook design" going on its 4th year now virtually unchanged and with features that haven't moved down the line to the other MacBook's. The Smartphone market is very crowded and Apple stands alone against 25+ Android competitors and in an age where phones are no longer $0 on a contract.

So having a top-of-the-line iPhone X Series with demonstrable feature differences from the plebeian 4/5/6/7/8 Series makes a ton of sense, no different than how Mercedes has it's C/E/S Class or BMW has its 3/5/7 Classes. That's what luxury brands do. They make one basic item (a car) and then differentiate them (size, features, price).

Apple can target all markets without developing 2 or 3 parallel designs with significantly different features. The company can cascade down products in the same way they continue to sell iPhone 6s and 7. The iPhone X2, X3, etc. can drop in price over time.

Vehicles are undergo a refresh every 4-7 years. It takes manufacturers that long to recovery R&D costs. If manufacturers sold brand new 2016 and 2018 models side by side, many would choose 2016 due to the significant discount offered and minor difference between the two. Instead of selling old models, vehicle manufacturers develop several different models to account for the differences in total cost of ownership and lifestyles.

Unlike vehicles, iPhone receives relatively significant refreshes each year. And R&D is often recovered within that same period. The operating cost between iPhone models does not change. Most importantly, technology ages much faster than a vehicle. The difference between a 2016 and 2018 model iPhone is significant. As a result, Apple can sell old models from 2 years ago without cannibalizing current models.

Face ID buys Apple a 2-year advantage over Android. This is why we see Face ID limited to $799 models and up this year. But as Android competitors catch up, all of Apple's offerings will need to feature Face ID.
 
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Think different.

Look at the 12" MacBook which stands alone as a "future of notebook design" going on its 4th year now virtually unchanged and with features that haven't moved down the line to the other MacBook's. The Smartphone market is very crowded and Apple stands alone against 25+ Android competitors and in an age where phones are no longer $0 on a contract.

So having a top-of-the-line iPhone X Series with demonstrable feature differences from the plebeian 4/5/6/7/8 Series makes a ton of sense, no different than how Mercedes has it's C/E/S Class or BMW has its 3/5/7 Classes. That's what luxury brands do. They make one basic item (a car) and then differentiate them (size, features, price).

Like the guy above me said, you won’t be able to keep features exclusive to the X line forever. Other smartphone makers will immediately roll out similar features.

Look how fast everyone put finger print readers on their phones after the 5S. Imagine if the X came out in 2013 and TouchID was exclusive to it. Apple would be trying to sell the TouchID-less iPhone 8 today against a sea of competition that has a fingerprint reader. It would get slaughtered.

If Apple purposely handicaps the non-X line, it will simply be unable to compete with other similarly priced phones in a couple of years and die.
 
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Face ID buys Apple a 2-year advantage over Android. This is why we see Face ID limited to $799 models and up this year. But as Android competitors catch up, all of Apple's offerings will need to feature Face ID.

Apple and its customers don’t care a thing about Android. We wouldn’t even know it existed if people in this forum didn’t mention it.
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If Apple purposely handicaps the non-X line, it will simply be unable to compete with other similarly priced phones in a couple of years and die.

LOL. If there were a worthy competitor you might be right. Android is a mess, more of a kids toy than a reliable mobile device.
 
LOL. If there were a worthy competitor you might be right. Android is a mess, more of a kids toy than a reliable mobile device.

Thats just plain silly. And I’m an iPhone guy to my core.

Android isn’t one device, it’s an operating system. And you do realize that more people use devices running on android than iOS right? Sounds like it’s fairly reliable to me.
 
Apple and its customers don’t care a thing about Android. We wouldn’t even know it existed if people in this forum didn’t mention it.

If that really were the case, Apple wouldn’t have developed an app or a support page to migrate Android users.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201196

You see specific messaging for Chinese customers in the link above, which so happens to be the market where Apple is having the most trouble due to WeChat dominance on Android.
 
Agreed. Which is why all the YouTubers and media going on about Apple and its doomsday are ridiculous. The X sold incredibly well in the last quarter. And there will be an updated version in the next few months that looks like the X, but will be slightly different in some key ways.

The media/YouTube does a great job of trying to fear monger the public about Apple and it's future. It's just another way for them to gain attention and or clicks for their videos/articles. But we all know Apples success and the reported numbers will be coming in the next week.
 
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The X is ending because the Beta testing will be complete by summer. Now Apple will release 3 new iPhones while the X plummets in value.


No worries here can still upgrade early in September once 50 percent of device is paid off. Won’t plummet in value to my carrier when they take it back.
 
No worries here can still upgrade early in September once 50 percent of device is paid off. Won’t plummet in value to my carrier when they take it back.
Same here. Come September I will just go in store pre order the next X and hand my current X back when it’s due to be collected.
 
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So you think Apple will enhance the X design and call it iPhone 9?

That doesn't make any sense. It will have better specs and a better antenna design, yet the number will drop from 10 to 9?

Nah. The 9 is either going to be the last TouchID phone (doubtful) or a missing number in the sequence (probably more likely). I think the X successors are going to be 11s.
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Do people honestly care whether or not Apple keeps their 2017 iPhone around the next year at a cheaper cost? I am still not seeing what the discussion is about. Why would anyone care about this?

Agree. Maybe for resale value? Maybe to feel like your 2017 phone decision was a good one? Not sure. I know I don't feel threatened when Subaru introduces the 2018 models and disco's the 2017s.
 
Nah. The 9 is either going to be the last TouchID phone (doubtful) or a missing number in the sequence (probably more likely). I think the X successors are going to be 11s.
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Agree. Maybe for resale value? Maybe to feel like your 2017 phone decision was a good one? Not sure. I know I don't feel threatened when Subaru introduces the 2018 models and disco's the 2017s.

Yea, that's what I am not getting. A new better iPhone comes out every year, not sure why this would be any different. It's not like your current X somehow becomes less of a product when a new one comes out.
 
Yea, that's what I am not getting. A new better iPhone comes out every year, not sure why this would be any different. It's not like your current X somehow becomes less of a product when a new one comes out.

Much the same thing happens with cameras. It's as if people think that introducing a new model somehow makes the pictures they took, or will take, with the camera - that were great last year - crappy next year. It's very illogical. :)
 
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I think the 8/8+ are the last devices that will feature a home button. I don't think there will be a replacement for the SE, either.
 
Do people honestly care whether or not Apple keeps their 2017 iPhone around the next year at a cheaper cost? I am still not seeing what the discussion is about. Why would anyone care about this?
At a guess I’d say it’s people who wish to buy it at a cheaper cost like the iPhone 7 and 6S. It’s a growing market and older models are selling well.
 
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