iPhone X iPhone X is too expensive and poor for the price

[Superhappytree]

Totally agree. I feel personally $500 is the sweet spot for price I'm comfortable paying for an iPhone. I fell for the X hype and learned my lesson.

That's how things were up until profit-over-anything-else Cook took over. People just point you towards the numbers of the X selling well as if they're an executive at Apple or something when they should be more concerned with the quality of the product, you know, something we should actually be concerned with. The X for me has too many flaws to justify its ridiculous price anyway. I didn't see Apple increasing the price when we went from the 3GS to the 4 with the first ever retina display, the new (now classic and much loved) glass design, front facing camera, vastly improved back camera etc. The price remained the same even with all of those improvements and that phone was one of the most innovative and biggest leaps in iPhone history. It unnerves me when we're frowned upon from those who have bought one for mentioning the price as if we're not allowed to question it because it's justified to them given all the new "features".

 

[Ffosse]

Oh, I feel it's worth a grand in £££s, especially if you're paying upfront like most people (I only know of 1 person who still uses contracts), but is it worth the £300 extra over the 8?

 

[blairh]

That's how things were up until profit-over-anything-else Cook took over. People just point you towards the numbers of the X selling well as if they're an executive at Apple or something when they should be more concerned with the quality of the product, you know, something we should actually be concerned with. The X for me has too many flaws to justify its ridiculous price anyway. I didn't see Apple increasing the price when we went from the 3GS to the 4 with the first ever retina display, the new (now classic and much loved) glass design, front facing camera, vastly improved cameras etc. The price remained the same with all of those improvements. It unnerves me when we're frowned upon for mentioning the price as if we're not allowed to question it because it's justified to them given all the new "features".

I wouldn't take too much stock in a forum member defending the price of the X. I've been on this forum for a while. There will always be members who will defend anything Apple does no matter what.

I think the worst thing about the X price is that they made the most desirable phone so damn expensive. Before the Plus line was introduced, you could always buy the 'best' iPhone for a starting price of $649. While not cheap, it was a lot easier to stomach than $1000. Even the Plus starting at $749 back in 2014 wasn't that wild given its larger size. But with the X it just sucks because if you want no bezel and Face ID you are going to pay a huge premium for that.

 

[Ffosse]

Opinions differ; I think it's a fair price; others will disagree.

 

[Superhappytree]

I wouldn't take too much stock in a forum member defending the price of the X. I've been on this forum for a while. There will always be members who will defend anything Apple does no matter what.

I think the worst thing about the X price is that they made the most desirable phone so damn expensive. Before the Plus line was introduced, you could always buy the 'best' iPhone for a starting price of $649. While not cheap, it was a lot easier to stomach than $1000. Even the Plus starting at $749 back in 2014 wasn't that wild given its larger size. But with the X it just sucks because if you want no bezel and Face ID you are going to pay a huge premium for that.

It's the same for their Mac lineup today as well. I just can't stomach paying 2,500 for a MacBook Pro. They added a TouchBar (which many find to be useless), improved the speakers a little, slightly improved the screen within a slightly thinner shell and we have to pay almost 1k more for that? No, it should remain the same. It's just not right and doesn't sit with me well at all. Tim Cook and his never ending quest for maximum profit is almost sickening to me. I actually worry about how much more they'll be asking us to pay in the future.

 

[Gaelic83]

So I have had pretty much every model of iPhone since 4, certainly would never miss out on the hardware change versions.

I ordered iPhone X, and then decided to cancel it because I think the price is ridiculous.

The touch ID missing is a problem for me because I use my phone in many different places, including places where face id would not work. And many people are complaining about how bad face id is.

I'm not a stranger to spending stupidly, I have a stupidly expensive run car (Porsche) and spend thousands on servicing. But notch and no touch id, and smaller usable screen overall just seems ridiculous for the price and I decided not to pay for it.

If they release the rumored cheaper model without the OLED screen this year then I will consider buying it.

Anyone else feel similar? Poor value for money?

Nice troll. Are you with Android? I bought the iPhone and never looked back. It works beautifully and worth every $.

 

[Ffosse]

I've never had an issue with face ID; I like the notch; the X is the best phone Apple ever made; whether it's too expensive or not, well, that is subjective.

It was an impulse buy for me and I'm glad I trusted my impulses.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Oh, I feel it's worth a grand in £££s, especially if you're paying upfront like most people (I only know of 1 person who still uses contracts), but is it worth the £300 extra over the 8?

Paying upfront is very much in the minority in my circles. I can’t imagine paying a lump sum out for a phone especially a thousand pounds.

Opinions differ; I think it's a fair price; others will disagree.

Yeah I have to disagree, but I suppose I’d own one if I didn’t lol. I think the X would be more appealing around the £800 mark. I think we’d at least see them more often in public too.

 

[Ffosse]

I always buy outright: I don't want to be in hock to some carrier, my bank provides insurance...I've seen a couple of X's around but still many people on their 5s, and 6 devices.

 

[cbreze]

Apparently alot of people think the price tag is to high as Apple has cut production after disappointing sales. People who want something bad enough will pay the cost no matter what. But not enough of those folks around otherwise production woud be increased not cut.

 

[boltjames]

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Apparently alot of people think the price tag is to high as Apple has cut production after disappointing sales. People who want something bad enough will pay the cost no matter what. But not enough of those folks around otherwise production woud be increased not cut.

iPhone just had the largest quarter in its illustrious history, the X has been the best-seller every week since it’s launch, and Apple has just passed Samsung as the #1 producer of smartphones on the planet.

Don’t talk to me about “cut production“. Production is nothing but a forecast. You are grasping at straws trying to come up with a negative narrative on the greatest product Apple has ever created.

Reality is the iPhone X crushed the ball over the fence and it does not matter that a few outliers think it’s too expensive. Those of us who can afford it certainly have turned out in droves to purchase it.

 

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iPhone just had the largest quarter in its illustrious history, the X has been the best-seller every week since it’s launch, and Apple has just passed Samsung as the #1 producer of smartphones on the planet.

Hmm but iPhone unit sales are down 1% over last year. Basically stagnant growth even when factoring in last years extra week of sales.

I’m only playing devils advocate and fact checking here. Are you defining biggest by the increased cost per a unit?

 

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[boltjames]

Hmm but iPhone unit sales are down 1% over last year. Basically stagnant growth even when factoring in last years extra week of sales.

I’m only playing devils advocate and fact checking here. Are you defining biggest by the increased cost per a unit?

Fact checking? Read a business textbook. Revenue and profit pays the bills, not units sold.

Apple did what smart consumer electronics companies do when a hot category matures and starts to plateau- they focused on adding innovation and adding value, not taking prices down in a race to the bottom. By maintaining the commonplace portion of the assortment (SE, 7) and creating a new luxury portion of the assortment (8, X) Apple smartly sacrificed unit sales while driving profits sky high.

What Apple just accomplished was a thing of beauty. From a business standpoint, just brilliant. People are paying $800+ for iPhones that used to be free or $99 with a two-year contract, their best selling iPhone is $1200. And unit sales are off by only 1%? I expected it to be off 10-20%. Bravo Apple.

 

[cbreze]

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iPhone just had the largest quarter in its illustrious history, the X has been the best-seller every week since it’s launch, and Apple has just passed Samsung as the #1 producer of smartphones on the planet.

Don’t talk to me about “cut production“. Production is nothing but a forecast. You are grasping at straws trying to come up with a negative narrative on the greatest product Apple has ever created.

Reality is the iPhone X crushed the ball over the fence and it does not matter that a few outliers think it’s too expensive. Those of us who can afford it certainly have turned out in droves to purchase it.

If something costs more than you want to pay you don't buy it simple. Doesn't mean it's a bad product, just means it's not worth the price for the value received for that individual consumer. It's a pretty well known(by now) news release from Apple that they have decided to halve production of the X in the first quarter of 2018. It doesn't mean they didn't sell millions in the previous quarter, just means they are forecasting more lackluster sales in the next quarter. I'm not grasping at straws to find something negative it's been in the news and common knowledge, I only thought it worth mentioning because it is not something Apple is used to, having lesser sales than they had anticipated. I could not care any less if I tried. I come in here for some "X" news and always managed to get trashed or see others getting trashed by the rich guy who thinks he knows it all. I do not dislike iPhones, I have one. I chose to pass on the X. Could not give two craps how many they sell or don't. as I decided that for me personally I was going to pass on it as I saw not enough value from the device for the cash outlay required. Don't know why you feel the need to defend Apple so much in an Apple forum . LOL.

 

[Vermifuge]

Fact checking? Read a business textbook. Revenue and profit pays the bills, not units sold.

Apple did what smart consumer electronics companies do when a hot category matures and starts to plateau- they focused on adding innovation and adding value, not taking prices down in a race to the bottom. By maintaining the commonplace portion of the assortment (SE, 7) and creating a new luxury portion of the assortment (8, X) Apple smartly sacrificed unit sales while driving profits sky high.

What Apple just accomplished was a thing of beauty. From a business standpoint, just brilliant. People are paying $800+ for iPhones that used to be free or $99 with a two-year contract, their best selling iPhone is $1200. And unit sales are off by only 1%? I expected it to be off 10-20%. Bravo Apple.

Yo, cool your guns. I don't disagree with you on that that point.

You said: "iPhone just had the largest quarter in its illustrious history,"

But thats wrong it didn't. It did VERY VERY well but the units are down. Yes cost per a unit was up and the quarter was over all, but not exactly as you stated the situation.

 

[boltjames]

Yo, cool your guns. I don't disagree with you on that that point.

You said: "iPhone just had the largest quarter in its illustrious history,"

But thats wrong it didn't. It did VERY VERY well but the units are down. Yes cost per a unit was up and the quarter was over all, but not exactly as you stated the situation.

Again, "units" don't mean anything in business. It's all about revenue and profits. Here:

You and a friend each spend $5 on lemonade mix. The powdery kind. You go home, you add water, you make a few gallons. Off you go, each to a different part of town, boiling and sweltering hot July day, crazy humidity.

You charge $1 a cup. He charges $3 a cup. After two hours, you're all out of lemonade and you meet up at his house. You tell him you sold 100 cups and earned $100. He tells you he sold 60 cups and earned $180.

It's not about popularity. It's about profitability.

 

[Vermifuge]

Again, "units" don't mean anything in business. It's all about revenue and profits. Here:

You and a friend each spend $5 on lemonade mix. The powdery kind. You go home, you add water, you make a few gallons. Off you go, each to a different part of town, boiling and sweltering hot July day, crazy humidity.

You charge $1 a cup. He charges $3 a cup. After two hours, you're all out of lemonade and you meet up at his house. You tell him you sold 100 cups and earned $100. He tells you he sold 60 cups and earned $180.

It's not about popularity. It's about profitability.

Yup you are correct. I totally agree with every one of your points, but you were wrong about the iPhone doing it's best because it missed in one key metric over the previous year. It is doing well. Hell, it's doing great. Certainly better than any one else.However, your statement was in fact false. That's all. it's ok we all make mistakes.

"iPhone just had the largest quarter in its illustrious history," It didn't. Unit sales shrank... Or it was stagnant depending on how you factor in the extra 13th week.

I'm sure you only misspoke. it's a mistake everyone makes.

 

[boltjames]

Yup you are correct. I totally agree with every one of your points, but you were wrong about the iPhone doing it's best because it missed in one key metric over the previous year. It is doing well. Hell, it's doing great. Certainly better than any one else.However, your statement was in fact false. That's all. it's ok we all make mistakes.

"iPhone just had the largest quarter in its illustrious history," It didn't. Unit sales shrank... Or it was stagnant depending on how you factor in the extra 13th week.

I'm sure you only misspoke. it's a mistake everyone makes.

I'm not misspeaking. You're misinterpreting what matters in big business. That's okay; not everyone is a big businessman.

 

[Vermifuge]

I'm not misspeaking. You're misinterpreting what matters in big business. That's okay; not everyone is a big businessman.

Not sure how many times I can say I agree with you and the you are right and have you still say i am wrong... but whatever.

78.2m - 77.3 thats 900k less. Less phones but bigger numbers. Apple's best quarter ever button not the iPhones best.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Not sure how many times I can say I agree with you and the you are right and have you still say i am wrong... but whatever.

78.2m - 77.3 thats 900k less. Less phones but bigger numbers. Apple's best quarter ever button not the iPhones best.

Apple will be very pleased profits are up in the short term but any business would have an eye on the fact less people are buying their product in their most important quarter of the year. It’s not just Apple either. It was reported 38 million less smartphones were sold in 2017 and with devices lasting longer and the annual upgrade trend becoming less popular, it’s concerning for everybody. The market can change very quickly and resting in their laurels because they’ve made a bit more money in one quarter would be foolish. They are also aware this last quarter was the Christmas period and attracts early adopters and people keen to get the ‘new’ iPhone. Next quarter always dies down if history is to be believed.

Apple have already projected a smaller second quarter with rumours of production reduction going into the summer. I think they are well aware consumers are upgrading less frequently and the only way to really react is to paint a more positive picture than keep hype high.

 

[Vermifuge]

Apple will be very pleased profits are up in the short term but any business would have an eye on the fact less people are buying their product in their most important quarter of the year. It’s not just Apple either. It was reported 38 million less smartphones were sold in 2017 and with devices lasting longer and the annual upgrade trend becoming less popular, it’s concerning for everybody. The market can change very quickly and resting in their laurels because they’ve made a bit more money in one quarter would be foolish. They are also aware this last quarter was the Christmas period and attracts early adopters and people keen to get the ‘new’ iPhone. Next quarter always dies down if history is to be believed.

Apple have already projected a smaller second quarter with rumours of production reduction going into the summer. I think they are well aware consumers are upgrading less frequently and the only way to really react is to paint a more positive picture than keep hype high.

yup totally agree with all that as well. Apple would have really hit a grand slam if they beat last years numbers. But they fell a little short in the raw unit numbers. Still doing phenomenal. It doesn't take a businessy business man to figure that out.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

yup totally agree with all that as well. Apple would have really hit a grand slam if they beat last years numbers. But they fell a little short in the raw unit numbers. Still doing phenomenal. It doesn't take a businessy business man to figure that out.

Yep, we don’t need a boastful fantasy internet persona and an elitist mind to understand how business works. It’s common sense and the figures Apple released offered a mixed bag. Hugely impressive profits with declining interest at the top end. The higher prices offset the drop in sales and to me that offers both a positive and negative result.

 

[44267547]

I've never had an issue with face ID; I like the notch; the X is the best phone Apple ever made; whether it's too expensive or not, well, that is subjective.

It was an impulse buy for me and I'm glad I trusted my impulses.

Referencing the part were you mentioned impulse in your post. I would say aside from Apples marketing tactics, the iPhone hype is so tense right around the September time frame, is absolutely incredible the amount people that will buy the iPhone just for the sake of having the latest device. Most end up liking their device and keeping it, but there are those who have the impulse to purchase it no matter what it is or what the cost is. It almost is possessive for some. Apple has a very strong like cult following.

 

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iPhone just had the largest quarter in its illustrious history, the X has been the best-seller every week since it’s launch, and Apple has just passed Samsung as the #1 producer of smartphones on the planet.

Don’t talk to me about “cut production“. Production is nothing but a forecast. You are grasping at straws trying to come up with a negative narrative on the greatest product Apple has ever created.

Reality is the iPhone X crushed the ball over the fence and it does not matter that a few outliers think it’s too expensive. Those of us who can afford it certainly have turned out in droves to purchase it.

How much does Tim pay you to post here? Just wondering.