iPhone X iPhone X is too expensive and poor for the price

[BeforeTheMeds]

People keep flinging around the 1000. price like the us is the only country out there. For the uneducated its not and for example its over 1300.00 here in mexico. I think to people in many countries price is a very valid discussion. Not to mention places like our country have horrible phone service so storing everything in the cloud is not possible, more than 64mb may be needed. The version with more storage is 1500.00 us.

That being said people should buy what the want but I don’t want a 1300.00 phone. I got my 6s plus when in the us for 1000.00 and thats probably where I stay.

I think apple is pricing people like us out of it. Does anyone seriously think iphone sales will not drop in countries like this? Mx is our example, many countries have much higher prices than 1000.

 

[geoff5093]

i didn't feel it was worth the money either so you are not alone.

Same. I picked up the Essential phone for $399 and love it, I don't see how the iPhone X is worse $999 in comparison.

 

[thadoggfather]

I don't know.... not that many years ago here was my daily carry:

Motorola Razr phone (don't remember cost of phone with contract)
Palm Tungsten T5 (had PalmOS devices starting with the IIIx and up to the iPhone 3G) $399
Creative Zen Vision M 30 GB multimedia player $329
Panasonic DMC-LX2 10MP camera $480

So that adds up to a bag full of gear that cost $1,200 and that doesn't include the price of the phone and the mobile contract. The iPhone X replaces all of those devices. You could make the argument that even a less expensive iPhone 6s or 7 could replace all of those devices, but the camera is where things get tricky. Have you priced a modern compact camera that can shoot 4K video at 60fps? Now I currently shoot a lot of my stills with an Olympus OM-D E-M5 m4/3 camera. It's a few years old so it can't do better than 1080p video. It's great for stills, but the iPhone X is going to be better for video unless we are talking low light conditions. If you want to buy a video camera that can shoot 4K to compliment an older iPhone then you are going to spend at least $300 to shoot 4K at 30fps. If you want 60fps you need to spend at least $400 for something like a GoPro Hero 6.

I guess given my gadget purchasing history I have a hard time seeing the iPhone X as a bad deal. That said, it makes the iPhone 8+ a bargain and the 7+ a steal. It just depends on whether the differences are worth it to you. Of course I would prefer to pay less than I did for the X, but I know I will get my money's worth out of it.

It’s not a matter of being a replacement for multiple pieces of equipment all in one. That’s your rationalization. Consolidation isn’t a new phenomena specific to 2017/2018.

It’s that phone market is saturated and relatively mature, and sales #’s show phones in mid $500 range is the sweet spot to usher in demand from virtually everyone

That’s why 7 / 7+ still sells like hot cakes, as you mentioned. The average person doesn’t see what they’re getting in return for the price increase from 7 to 8,

 

[cbreze]

I didn't return it 'cause I didn't buy it. I knew it wasn't for me before it was even available for sale. So I passed. To pricey? Check. To swipey? Check. Face ID to annoying? Check. Dislike notch? Check. Still the same icon grid layout? Check. Anything exciting enough to justify the high price? Nope and Checkmate. Checked all the wrong boxes for me. No brainer.

 

[BeforeTheMeds]

Same. I picked up the Essential phone for $399 and love it, I don't see how the iPhone X is worse $999 in comparison.

The wife has a moto z2 force and loves it. I like it too. We got it for under 400.00. On special. The x here is 1300. No way the x is over 900.00 better.

Again, people should buy what they want, more power to them, but 1300. Us is a lot of money here in mx.

 

[MacDawg]

It’s not a matter of being a replacement for multiple pieces of equipment all in one. That’s your rationalization. Consolidation isn’t a new phenomena specific to 2017/2018.

It’s that phone market is saturated and relatively mature, and sales #’s show phones in mid $500 range is the sweet spot to usher in demand from virtually everyone

That’s why 7 / 7+ still sells like hot cakes, as you mentioned. The average person doesn’t see what they’re getting in return for the price increase from 7 to 8,

I had a 7 Plus and was happy with it and I could have kept it and been fine, it was a great phone
But I got the X because I liked it, and the price didn't bother me
Also because I am on an upgrade program, otherwise I might not have upgraded

I get that others don't see what they are getting in return for the price differential, or that they don't like the notch or Face ID, etc.

But some mock the X as a status symbol, for the rich only, etc. simply because they don't see value and don't believe anyone else should either
If someone doesn't want the X, don't buy it, simple... and let supply and demand take its course

Simply put, the X isn't for everyone, but it is clearly for some

 

[thadoggfather]

I had a 7 Plus and was happy with it and I could have kept it and been fine, it was a great phone
But I got the X because I liked it, and the price didn't bother me
Also because I am on an upgrade program, otherwise I might not have upgraded

I get that others don't see what they are getting in return for the price differential, or that they don't like the notch or Face ID, etc.

But some mock the X as a status symbol, for the rich only, etc. simply because they don't see value and don't believe anyone else should either
If someone doesn't want the X, don't buy it, simple... and let supply and demand take its course

Simply put, the X isn't for everyone, but it is clearly for some

In some markets it is definitely a fashion item imo

I haven’t seen more iPhone X than when I was in south Florida for holidays the other week. Every person had one it looked like. And I don’t think that’s the most tech enthusiastic scene. More flashy cars and bling to show you’re better than the next scrub.

But In general I agree, it’s way more than a status item. And even where I am where I don’t see iPhone X all the time but they’re not rare at the same time not a single person afaik is phased that I have the X, or considers me a millionaire.

 

[sean000]

It’s not a matter of being a replacement for multiple pieces of equipment all in one. That’s your rationalization. Consolidation isn’t a new phenomena specific to 2017/2018.

It’s that phone market is saturated and relatively mature, and sales #’s show phones in mid $500 range is the sweet spot to usher in demand from virtually everyone

That’s why 7 / 7+ still sells like hot cakes, as you mentioned. The average person doesn’t see what they’re getting in return for the price increase from 7 to 8,

Device consolidation has happened at different paces for different people, depending on their wants/needs/expectations. The iPhone 3G replaced my Palm device and my mobile phone, but not my camera or my mp3 player. I stopped carrying an mp3 player around the time I got my iPhone 6 because the streaming services and cellular data plans had finally reached a point where I was able to easily and reliably play my own CDs and Internet radio from the cloud. But even with the iPhone 6 I felt like I wanted to carry a dedicated camera every day, but that's because I am an amateur photographer with higher expectations than the average person. Perhaps that would have changed if I bought the 7+ when it came out, but I skipped the 7's. The iPhone X matches my desire to have dual cameras in a smaller than Plus sized iPhone, and the photo/video quality are enough that I don't carry my Olympus on a daily basis anymore (I save it for times when I know I will be taking a lot of photos).

We all rationalize our purchases based on what value we think we will get out of it. I'm pretty amazed at how far things have progressed in 10 years. I've been buying/building computers and technology devices since the early 90's, and the price of the iPhone X doesn't feel that out of line to me (maybe a little bit out of line when compared to the Android flagship competitors, but that's the Apple tax)... but I am definitely not an average user. I agree with you that the average user is probably going to be satisfied by a less expensive model. Even if the X was priced lower than it is, the average user would go for the more familiar iPhone 8 or the less expensive iPhone 7.

 

[Konvictz]

Learn to service your own car especially Porsches. The iPhone X is free after one service.

$2000 for an inspection, some oil, and air filters? Screw them.

At least you're not driving a Bentley or something. Find half the parts have Audi logos on them with the same part numbers.

Didn't really want this thread to be about cars, it was just an example of perceived value where I personally feel that I am happy and willing to pay a premium to drive a certain car because it offers something which cars in the price range doesnt.

With regards to servicing, Porsche 911s are generally on the long life service plan. So generally speaking I would pay about £500 for the minor service and about £900-1000 for major service. Of course my last service was £2000 because I had a lot of work done to the car and its at 70k mileage which is rare in the lifetime. Regardless one of the reasons why I went with Porsche was because if you actually look at the running costs of a Porsche vs running a brand new Mercedes or BMW at the main dealer, the prices are similar.

The iphone X offers very little in comparison to its competitors, the iPhone 7 and 8 are competitors to this. iPhones are already high priced, around the £800 and I was happy to pay that because iOS works better for me. But £350 more, it is not right and I get an experience which in some ways is less, notch, no finger print etc. It is not an ideal situation.

 

[rojo99]

So I have had pretty much every model of iPhone since 4, certainly would never miss out on the hardware change versions.

I ordered iPhone X, and then decided to cancel it because I think the price is ridiculous.

The touch ID missing is a problem for me because I use my phone in many different places, including places where face id would not work. And many people are complaining about how bad face id is.

I'm not a stranger to spending stupidly, I have a stupidly expensive run car (Porsche) and spend thousands on servicing. But notch and no touch id, and smaller usable screen overall just seems ridiculous for the price and I decided not to pay for it.

If they release the rumored cheaper model without the OLED screen this year then I will consider buying it.

Anyone else feel similar? Poor value for money?

Had an iPhone ever since the iPhone 4, but stopped paying massive amounts of $$$ once I got my 6s. I’m very happy with fingerprint id and ability to use wired earpods thank you very much. Just got my battery replaced after the Apple battery tweaking fiasco. NO WAY AM I GOING TO PAY $1000+ for a phone.....especially one with no wired earpods. I tried out a friends wireless earpods and they fell out too easily, and in the gym there is no way they’d stay in. The sales Apple doesn’t tell you about couldn’t been that great as I see very few people with wireless earpods.
I use my iPhone constantly and I believe I’ve gotten to the point where the few new features added with the latest iOS version or latest iPhone just isn’t worth it. For example, the new animated emojis......give me a break. Also, I’ll stay at iOS 11 for quite a while....don’t need any hidden iPhone tweaks to slow my phone down.
Apple obviously are pushing the envelope when it comes to marketing a new device and seeing how far people will go to keep up with the Jones’s. You simply will not get your ROI on the latest iPhone.

 

[thadoggfather]

Had an iPhone ever since the iPhone 4, but stopped paying massive amounts of $$$ once I got my 6s. I’m very happy with fingerprint id and ability to use wired earpods thank you very much. Just got my battery replaced after the Apple battery tweaking fiasco. NO WAY AM I GOING TO PAY $1000+ for a phone.....especially one with no wired earpods. I tried out a friends wireless earpods and they fell out too easily, and in the gym there is no way they’d stay in. The sales Apple doesn’t tell you about couldn’t been that great as I see very few people with wireless earpods.
I use my iPhone constantly and I believe I’ve gotten to the point where the few new features added with the latest iOS version or latest iPhone just isn’t worth it. For example, the new animated emojis......give me a break. Also, I’ll stay at iOS 11 for quite a while....don’t need any hidden iPhone tweaks to slow my phone down.
Apple obviously are pushing the envelope when it comes to marketing a new device and seeing how far people will go to keep up with the Jones’s. You simply will not get your ROI on the latest iPhone.

you might see your ROI if you plan to hold onto X for several years tho, like you have with your 6s

and I agree, 6s and above is "good enough" for many/maybe even most.

6s with a9 and 2nd gen Touch ID and markedly better camera than 5s/6, stays in the game.

My SE (with Touch ID gen 1) stays in the game too

 

[Kardinal1911]

FACE ID IS AMAZING TO ME... the 1249.00 I spent was worth it

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Didn't expect so much comments on the car. I'd say Porsche is incredibly value for money for what it is, and it beats every car in it's price range for all round performance. My 911 has back seats and I can get my friends in there just about. Yes I do spend thousands on servicing and maintenance each year but that is why I work so hard.

But as I said it is value for money. I went to Harrods the other day and saw they were selling bottle of coke for £4, which I didn't buy because its ridiculous pricing, but I did buy a pair of nice designer jeans because the quality of the material was nice and I can wear it many many times over my lifetime.

But the iPhone X falls into the poor value for money section. I would have gladly paid £800 or whatever I normally pay every year for the top model, but £1150 at a time when mobile phone hardware prices are decreasing rapidly, it is ridiculous, and it is no surprise Apple are dropping it for the new release.

On top of the very expensive price, is the fact that there are many issues with the phone. If the phone was perfect, and we all know it is far from perfect, then I would have paid the price, been a little bit angry for a day and moved on. Many times I don't want to pick up my phone to unlock it whilst it is resting on my desk. Touch id was perfect for this as I didn't have to bring my face forward or lift the phone up. Also it has been shown that there is less usable screen compared to the plus models.

I don't like the fact that I have to pay hundreds extra on an already expensive product which has several problems that the previous models did not have.

So if they release a model for around £800 with LCD, I will probably buy it - and obviously many people feel the same.
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2007 911 mate. Trust me it is a real Porsche. I'm don't get air cooled at all, I know that is a controversial statement but it's not for me. The modern Porsche 911s have all the technology, comforts and performance one would want - but that is my opinion - but just don't get the aircooled.

So you are comparing the cost of a new iPhone to driving an 11 year old car (with how many previous owners?) for value for money?

Hmm perhaps @boltjames is spot on about the craigslist crowd.

 

[TechGuy1530]

Absolutely love the iPhone X. I don't understand the complaints about the price either, as a 256 GB iPhone 8 Plus costs $50 less than a 64 GB iPhone X. If you can live with the smaller storage, it's a no-brainer, but it goes to show how inexpensive the innovations packed into the iPhone X is compared to a three-year tired design in the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus.

Nothing "ridiculous" about the iPhone X imo, what is "ridiculous" is spending so much on a Porsche when speed limit laws still apply to you. So literally, a Honda does the same job as a Porsche...

 

[Phone Junky]

... as a 256 GB iPhone 8 Plus costs $50 less than a 64 GB iPhone X. If you can live with the smaller storage, it's a no-brainer....

If "you can live with the smaller storage", you could get the 64GB 8 plus for $200 less than a 64GB X . Comparing apples to apples. Just sayin'...

 

[blairh]

Poor value? Yes. I totally agree OP. But I understand others will feel differently.

 

[HereIsTom]

Absolutely love the iPhone X. I don't understand the complaints about the price either, as a 256 GB iPhone 8 Plus costs $50 less than a 64 GB iPhone X. If you can live with the smaller storage, it's a no-brainer, but it goes to show how inexpensive the innovations packed into the iPhone X is compared to a three-year tired design in the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus.

Nothing "ridiculous" about the iPhone X imo, what is "ridiculous" is spending so much on a Porsche when speed limit laws still apply to you. So literally, a Honda does the same job as a Porsche...

Funny that people with an X are so eager to defend their overpriced purchase!

 

[Vermifuge]

Funny that people with an X are so eager to defend their overpriced purchase!

X owner here. I have been saying all along that the X when compared to other smartphones, and even the rest of the Apple lineup is nothing but a luxury [luxury noun US /ˈlʌk·ʃər·i, ˈlʌɡ·ʒər·i/ great comfort, esp. as provided by expensive and beautiful possessions, surroundings, or food, or something enjoyable and often expensive but not necessary] purchase and frankly serves as nothing more than a status symbol (let's not have this debate again.) The X and 8 generally share the same CPU, RAM (I know the 8 has 2 gb) and all can run the same apps. Arguably, the extra features of the X are of little to no benefit to most people. (please insert remarks from one off use case here) but for the other 95% or those buying the X could have been equally served with an 8 at hundreds less in cost.

 

[lexvo]

For me, the iPhone X is good value. I like the relative large screen in a small form factor. And face-ID is working better than I thought.

 

[sean000]

Funny that people with an X are so eager to defend their overpriced purchase!

It's no more curious than why some people who didn't buy the X care so much about defending their decision to NOT purchase it.

 

[thope]

So I have had pretty much every model of iPhone since 4, certainly would never miss out on the hardware change versions.

I ordered iPhone X, and then decided to cancel it because I think the price is ridiculous.

The touch ID missing is a problem for me because I use my phone in many different places, including places where face id would not work. And many people are complaining about how bad face id is.

I'm not a stranger to spending stupidly, I have a stupidly expensive run car (Porsche) and spend thousands on servicing. But notch and no touch id, and smaller usable screen overall just seems ridiculous for the price and I decided not to pay for it.

If they release the rumored cheaper model without the OLED screen this year then I will consider buying it.

Anyone else feel similar? Poor value for money?

If you didn’t actually buy the Porsche and experience it, you’d think is just a cheaply made ugly looking AMG competitor.

Just like a Porsche, you got to own to appreciate it.

 

[ipodssss]

So you don’t own one and you didn’t spend the money but you know it’s to expensive? Interesting.

While it’s a lot of Money I am shocked at how good and fast the phone is and how incredible the camera is alone, as someone who owns the phone and spent the money on the phone I can’t assure you, I don’t regret it

 

[gpoop]

You have a very strong opinion on something you've never experienced yourself. That's just asinine.

Do you realize if you don't like it you can return it within 30 days?

Why not try it out and see if you actually like it or not.

 

[Vermifuge]

Do you realize if you don't like it you can return it within 30 days?

Depends. it's 14 days in many countries

 

[gpoop]

Depends. it's 14 days in many countries

and? 30-14 days who cares?! The point I was trying to make was he can literally try it in the real world to see if he likes it.