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I miss not knowing why a failed attempt to unlock my phone was a failed attempt. At least with a wet finger I could just dry it and 99% of the time it would work.

Face id is hit or miss in the dark or in bed when not in the exact distance or angle. I usually end up just putting in my unlock code.
 
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Do not miss fingerprint ID at all and think FaceID is the best thing to come along in a long time. I certainly hope the new iPad Pro incorporates it as well. Several folks have mentioned that it is great "...when it works". I cannot think of any time that it hasn't worked for me immediately upon raising the phone. Sunglasses have been no problem. The only time FaceID doesn't work is in relative darkness, which is understandable. Apple Pay is easier, as well, and I am really liking the ability to log into financial institutions with FaceID. Previously,even PW's that were imbedded and saved for various websites would occasionally need to be re-entered when the app/website/phone was updated, which usually meant having to go through the reset process if I had used a Safari suggested PW. With FaceID, that isn't necessary, so it's one less step in the log-on process subject to failure.
 
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When Face ID works, it's incredible. The prompt pops up, and my password is entered automatically, granting me access to whatever app I'm using. Same for unlocking the phone.

I can clearly say at this point that it does not always work reliably, and that I need to retry or adjust the phone sometimes which is bothersome. I'm optimistic for future revisions.

I feel the same way.

I also feel like the gen 1 touch id didn't fail as much as this version of face id which is why I sort of miss the touch id.
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I certainly hope the new iPad Pro incorporates it as well.

I hope they don't.

Having to hover over my ipad or lift it up just to unlock would be a terrible user experience IMO. Also as a designer that notch going into my canvas would be as a logo using Papyrus in all caps.
 
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I feel the same way.

I also feel like the gen 1 touch id didn't fail as much as this version of face id which is why I sort of miss the touch id.
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I hope they don't.

Having to hover over my ipad or lift it up just to unlock would be a terrible user experience IMO. Also as a designer that notch going into my canvas would be as a logo using Papyrus in all caps.
there would be no notch on the new pros.
 
I thought I would dislike Face ID. Had the X for about a week now and I gotta say I am thoroughly impressed. For most uses, it’s actually faster than Touch ID. It feels effortless. There are times it doesn’t work like lying in bed and I miss Touch ID for that. Overall though I am both happy and impressed with the tech.
 
There is zero reason why Apple would not include Face ID on the iPad, it will happen eventually. Mainly because the iPad is larger interface of what the iPhone already is. Its just a matter of when, not if.

It won't happen until Face ID works in landscape, as that's how people use the iPads.

& when that happens, we'll know the next iPhone will also have a portrait/landscape Face ID detection system, if it doesn't already.
 
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It won't happen until Face ID works in landscape, as that's how people use the iPads..

Don’t you think Apple already thought of that regarding the iPad? Seems fairly obvious that Face ID will be implemented to work both in portrait and landscape, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that iPhone will follow suit along those same guidelines. Specifically, it determines how Apple designs the iPad to be unlocked, then which position (Portrait/Landscape) can be used.
 
It won't happen until Face ID works in landscape, as that's how people use the iPads.

& when that happens, we'll know the next iPhone will also have a portrait/landscape Face ID detection system, if it doesn't already.

At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple released an iPad that didn’t support landscape face scans and still have Apple stans defend it as a “good” or the best way to implement it even though Apple still sells a keyboard that only works in landscape mode.
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there would be no notch on the new pros.

That’s actually a smart move imo.

Still would require a big change in UX meaning to unlock your iPad(unlike a laptop or desktop) you’d have to either stand up and hover over your iPad and be in the perfect angle and possibly distance away from the Face ID to unlock your iPad or physically lift up your ipad(unlike a laptop or desktop) and make sure you’re facing the Face ID perfectly and in the correct distance.

And if for some reason it has an error scanning your face.... lol
 
Touch ID had its advantages but now that Apple is looking into AR only Face ID
Will do.
Most likely the Face ID in the 2018 iPhones will be more sophisticated or improved than the iPhone X so it can be implemented in the iPad
While AR has begun to appear it will likely be a few years till it’s a significant feature
Apple could really give us both with the Touch ID being under screen....Wishful thinking....But it would certainly make everyone happy
 
Nope, don’t miss it one bit. Not had to put my passcode in to unlock my X apart from when I have rebooted when updating. I really want to go back to a Plus size phone but lack of Face ID is why I can’t. Hoping for Face ID on larger phones and iPads this year, I will deffo upgrade for this.
 
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple released an iPad that didn’t support landscape face scans and still have Apple stans defend it as a “good” or the best way to implement it even though Apple still sells a keyboard that only works in landscape mode.

I’m not finding your argument logical. You’re you’re insinuating Apple sells the keyboard , which only works in landscape mode, yet, I could make the opposing argument who uses a keyboard in portrait mode? Think about the user interface and how information is displayed in landscape. Or even a comparison, look at the average laptop, why would somebody use a keyboard other than landscape orientation?
 
Don’t you think Apple already thought of that regarding the iPad? Seems fairly obvious that Face ID will be implemented to work both in portrait and landscape, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that iPhone will follow suit along those same guidelines. Specifically, it determines how Apple designs the iPad to be unlocked, then which position (Portrait/Landscape) can be used.
Yeah they've thought of it of course.

What I'm saying is that I think they won't include Face ID on the iPad until it works both ways. They may have a working version of it now & include it in the iPads due for release later this year (I think so).

If that does happen, then the 2018 iPhones should also have the same Face ID module included.

(I don't see a difference in size between the iPad & iPhone Face ID sensor array, so I think Apple will include it in both devices in succession).
 
Don’t you think Apple already thought of that regarding the iPad? Seems fairly obvious that Face ID will be implemented to work both in portrait and landscape, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that iPhone will follow suit along those same guidelines. Specifically, it determines how Apple designs the iPad to be unlocked, then which position (Portrait/Landscape) can be used.

This is a hardware"problem," and a pretty significant problem. Apple will need to change the FaceID dot projector and cameras significantly to permit use in landscape format - or install a second hardware set on the long edge of the display (= two notches, or reverting to a full-length bar).
 
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Yes, I miss Touch ID every moment of every day! Ok Ok maybe exaggerated a bit, but after 5 months I still can't get used to FaceID. Fails a lot under direct sunlight, when in bed it is pretty much impossible to align correctly so I dont even bother anymore and go straight for the password.

FaceID is the only thing I don't love of my iPhone X
 
Face ID is the ONLY thing I LOVE about iPhone X and it has been awesome fast makes it much easier to use plus lighter and no wasted space even the ‘notch’ is better use of space than button was or antiquated physical button.
 
So, if I want to pay with Apple Pay for example...I just tap the side button twice, it recognizes my face almost immediately, then I just hold to the reader. Done. I find it very fast.

Face ID even gets better as you use it, as it is machine learning. If it fails you use passcode (don't cancel or reset) and it will take that data information (from the angle, and so on) and use it for the future.


I did this at the baseball game last night. Just had my phone out. Waited for the total already had my Apple Pay ready just put it next to it and boom done. Love the X
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Face ID is the ONLY thing I LOVE about iPhone X and it has been awesome fast makes it much easier to use plus lighter and no wasted space even the ‘notch’ is better use of space than button was or antiquated physical button.

The only thing ? You don’t like anything else about the phone. ?
 
I’m not finding your argument logical. You’re you’re insinuating Apple sells the keyboard , which only works in landscape mode, yet, I could make the opposing argument who uses a keyboard in portrait mode? Think about the user interface and how information is displayed in landscape. Or even a comparison, look at the average laptop, why would somebody use a keyboard other than landscape orientation?

Exactly.

I wouldn’t put it past Apple to implement the Face ID scanner in a way that only allowed it to be used in portrait mode. This would mean the iPad users who primarily use their iPad in landscape or laptop mode would have to pick it up and turn it horizontally to unlock it and then return it back to a landscape orientation.

I’d even take it a step further and predict that, using the same exact Face ID tech on the iPad, Apple would make enable it so you actually could unlock the iPad upside down or even in landscape but for some unclear or unkown reason they couldn’t enable that feature on the X. THEN that feature will be present on a future version of the iPhone.

Regarding the design compromise they made with the “notch” and lightning port on the bottom of the Magic Mouse or how the Apple Pencil is charged or the “need” for dongles to add ports back to the macbook I’m fully expecting this style of quirky implementation for Face ID on the iPad.

In other words “This would’ve never been released if Steve was here”.
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So, if I want to pay with Apple Pay for example...I just tap the side button twice, it recognizes my face almost immediately, then I just hold to the reader. Done. I find it very fast.

Face ID even gets better as you use it, as it is machine learning. If it fails you use passcode (don't cancel or reset) and it will take that data information (from the angle, and so on) and use it for the future.

With the finger scanner, with my thumb on the button, I just pull it out of my pocket then put it up to the card scanner and it scans my thumb and submits payment.

With Face ID I have to double tap the power button, make sure my phone is facing the iPhone then put it up to the card scanner.

Imo the finger scanner is a way easier and faster to use for Apple Pay.

Using Face ID for Apple Pay actually adds maybe 3 more steps:
1. Pressing a button twice instead of just touching the home button once to begin the Apple Pay process
2. After pressing the button twice you have to make sure the phone is in front of your face
3. Technically the phone you also have to make sure the iPhone is a certain distance from your face in optimal light conditions also.
 
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This is a hardware"problem," and a pretty significant problem.

I think it’s difficult to make that assessment quite yet, and I understand your reasoning, but Even so, we don’t their design scheme to qualify the orientation as a problem, or at least how one perceives to unlock the device being a problem, when its dependent on the user who will find it to be an inconvenience, where others will use their iPads unlocking in one orientation without meaningless complaining.

(= two notches, or reverting to a full-length bar).

There won’t be two Notches on an iPad. Think about how that would horribly look (And insignificance) on an interface the size of an iPad screen with displaying information.
 
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Face ID is great when it works and it works 98% of the time. I still wish there was a fingerprint sensor on the back for backup purposes.
 
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Face ID is great when it works and it works 98% of the time. I still wish there was a fingerprint sensor on the back for backup purposes.

I Personally think Face ID is reliable enough where a fingerprint sensor on the back of the phone isn’t necessary. A passcode would suffice as a backup method as it’s currently intended.
 
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I wouldn’t put it past Apple to implement the Face ID scanner in a way that only allowed it to be used in portrait mode. This would mean the iPad users who primarily use their iPad in landscape or laptop mode would have to pick it up and turn it horizontally to unlock it and then return it back to a landscape orientation.

That would make a Smart Keyboard practically unusable, so it seems very unlikely.
 
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