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Is Catalina as bad as it looks on this board?
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Sometimes, but other times things really are worse in real life than on the web...
The point is not to rely on any one method, and the Finder is FAR more refined and reliable than spotlight. The Finder is literally a staple of the OS. Spotlight is a convenient feature. And the more people rely on a simpler way, the more they devolve their basic computing ability over time. @JM-Prod and their recent client loss if proof of this.
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Agreed. I also feel Spotlight contributes to laziness. I feel a user should know where every one of their own files is in their Home folder. If they don't, then they need to develop a new cataloging paradigm.
My personal view is that people SHOULDN'T have to use multiple technologies just to find a file, because of lazy good for nothing programming.
Is it not reasonable to expect that a system claiming that it can find ALL of your files, and even search within them, ensuring that you will never lose a file again, and always be able to find exactly what you're looking for whenever, no quibbles...to work as it's being sold...why should I have to use several methods to locate a file in case one doesn't work....
Why would anybody promise something that they cannot deliver? Or would it be that they could deliver this, but they are still trying to get the programming right...
Seems to me that they have a great idea, rush it to the market to be the first, and release it as a result with such sloppy alpha quality code.
Is it not reasonable to expect that a system claiming that it can find ALL of your files, and even search within them, ensuring that you will never lose a file again, and always be able to find exactly what you're looking for whenever, no quibbles...to work as it's being sold...why should I have to use several methods to locate a file in case one doesn't work....
Why would anybody promise something that they cannot deliver? Or would it be that they could deliver this, but they are still trying to get the programming right...
Seems to me that they have a great idea, rush it to the market to be the first, and release it as a result with such sloppy alpha quality code.
Here's a rule I have always followed... I never upgrade to the new OS until it's at least at the .5 revision, if not .6 or higher. And I'm actually still on High Sierra.
Early adopters always suffer through BS like this. When High Sierra first came out everyone hated it. Now is the most stable macOS ever in my experiences.
Early adopters always suffer through BS like this. When High Sierra first came out everyone hated it. Now is the most stable macOS ever in my experiences.
Early adopters shouldn't have to suffer when the OS is enforced upon them - the 16" MBPr for example, have to take it with 10.15.x or not at all..there should be an alternative.
In my view, apple should have a break from releasing the next OS as per their schedule, put it into an extended beta cycle, and release it when it would otherwise be the .5 release as the .0 - and then carry on with their cycle.
What I find most annoying is that stuff fixed in a .x release never seems to find its way into the next .0 release, and we start all over again...the network share cannot be found bug for example, that's been in the majority of .0 released since 10.10.x....
You would like to think that whoever the programmers are fixing the issue, passes that fixed code to the programmers working on the .0 release...
When you run your own IT company, supporting quite an array of users - it's you that has to take it on the chin when things don't work, not Apple - so they don't really have a clue in all honesty what goes on in the real world.
If we could have downgraded the 16" to 10.14.6 then we would have kept them, and decisions would have been different with regards to the upgrade are refresh program that one of my clients wishes to take.
In my view, apple should have a break from releasing the next OS as per their schedule, put it into an extended beta cycle, and release it when it would otherwise be the .5 release as the .0 - and then carry on with their cycle.
What I find most annoying is that stuff fixed in a .x release never seems to find its way into the next .0 release, and we start all over again...the network share cannot be found bug for example, that's been in the majority of .0 released since 10.10.x....
You would like to think that whoever the programmers are fixing the issue, passes that fixed code to the programmers working on the .0 release...
When you run your own IT company, supporting quite an array of users - it's you that has to take it on the chin when things don't work, not Apple - so they don't really have a clue in all honesty what goes on in the real world.
If we could have downgraded the 16" to 10.14.6 then we would have kept them, and decisions would have been different with regards to the upgrade are refresh program that one of my clients wishes to take.
Take the above situation where @JM-Prod is unable to find a file with spotlight, something that they could do with 10.14.6 and worked flawlessly, but with 10.15.x isn't no longer working...
What do you tell the user, would you tell them "sorry you can't do that anymore as there is a bug in the OS" - what kind of response do you think you're going to get? They then complain to their boss that they have lost a client because of the OS.
In the mean time, both you and the user have called this into apple who say that there is no such bug...even though you know that it's been reported by several users, so the user then starts disbelieving you because the manufacturer says it's not so.
Then what happens next?
I can tell you - this results in the situation I'm in where I'm now providing quotes to replace with Dell devices rather than continue with the apple ecosystem, and this is being seriously considered, and from the conversation on Friday is 99% the way they will be going forward, £250k over 3 years would have been spent on apple iPads, iMacs, MBPr's, iPhones - now it's going to Dell.
All I can say is thank goodness for this forum and this thread, as it's proven to my client that we are not saying that it's a bug because of out inability to provide support, but in reality it's broken because of Apple's inability to resolve bugs in a timely fashion.
What do you tell the user, would you tell them "sorry you can't do that anymore as there is a bug in the OS" - what kind of response do you think you're going to get? They then complain to their boss that they have lost a client because of the OS.
In the mean time, both you and the user have called this into apple who say that there is no such bug...even though you know that it's been reported by several users, so the user then starts disbelieving you because the manufacturer says it's not so.
Then what happens next?
I can tell you - this results in the situation I'm in where I'm now providing quotes to replace with Dell devices rather than continue with the apple ecosystem, and this is being seriously considered, and from the conversation on Friday is 99% the way they will be going forward, £250k over 3 years would have been spent on apple iPads, iMacs, MBPr's, iPhones - now it's going to Dell.
All I can say is thank goodness for this forum and this thread, as it's proven to my client that we are not saying that it's a bug because of out inability to provide support, but in reality it's broken because of Apple's inability to resolve bugs in a timely fashion.
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uhm I love spotlight, I truly do and use it often. BUT I also have the old fashioned habit to store my files in folder and subfolder, also to name them with useful information like date, name, short subject. Maybe I'm too old.
The point is more that the user was using a feature in a specific way in previous OS versions, and it worked for them - they don't expect that feature to be broken in future releases, but instead to be enhanced - functioning the same way as previously, but adding additional functions.
I agree, in a perfect world this would be ideal. But sh*t happens and better be prepared.
Catalina scares me for the first time as OS after many many years of OSX/macOS. They seems to (still) beta test with our *data* (email, notes, calendars, keychain, ...) I assume/fear that the worst will be when they start to play with iCloud sharing...
I no longer upgrade immediately, but I've also never held out this long, either. I can't recall an OS that had this many basic bugs still being logged at this stage. Email notifications not working? Email address auto-complete not working? Really?
Your client needs to understand that Apple isn't a computer company any more. They are a communications competitor with the other smartphone makers and the entertainment industry.
Losing Mac business in situations such as yours is the only way their attention might be returned to their roots.
Until the iPhone surge and the Cook administration, Apple computers and software were their core. That's gone and whether it will ever return is debatable.
Look at their profit pie chart. Compare the Mac wedge with the iPhone and Services wedges and the answer is obvious.
Your client is in business to make money, not show one way loyalty to Apple.
Many of us are so saturated with the Apple environment that we can't afford to switch, just get along with Mojave and ignore Apple upgrade garbage.
Companies that rely on dependable, stable IT can and probably should find an alternative and tell the Apple board why.
Apple apologists on these forums waste their time. Catalina is junk, a product of failed QC due to Apple CEO policy.
This is gross exaggeration - based on what I’m seeing here on a 2017 MBP and a 2019 MBA. Catalina may have issues but it is far from “junk”. Your opinion may work for you, but my opinion works for me.
The client is getting to understand that, and after having Apple Macs running the publishing side of things for over 20 years, to switch to something else takes courage, but in their view this courage is needed as it's costing money with all the support calls, and things not working, together with not b being able to replace hardware because of certain issues...
They were even investigating the ability to install windows as the main OS on the hardware that's not due for replacement just yet, in order to have n uniformed approach to the environment.
When a software company releases a system with major production effecting bugs, they should be penalised for it - I feel sorry for the companies that have to pick up the tab because of users unable to work - In my time alone this will have cost close to 3 weeks worth of work so far...great for me, not so great for them....
From my early stint on the Low End Mac forums, to iMore in '12, let's say that the 'the latest macOS is junk' comment isn't exactly new!
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That's not Catalina's fault. It's flat design's fault!
My most critical workstation is still on High Sierra, and the only feature I miss from the newer OS's are the desktop icon stacking. In most other areas Mojave and Catalina feels like downgrades. 32 bit apps can't run, CUDA is not supported and Nvidia are not allowed to make drivers...
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Not true, new Mac models that ship with Catalina like the Pro and 16"MBP can't downgraded to Mojave, so we are stuck with new hardware and crap OS
The Finder vs Spotlight discussion is one of the sillier ones I've seen on Catalina. Surely one realizes that the Finder search IS Spotlight. And so much arrogance displayed by some. Many of us have a very organized file system but still use Spotlight to get to something quickly. I have to refer to thousands of PDFs and spotlight finds them quickly rather than drilling through to them. Yes I have a dedicated app for this (Devonthink) but Spotlight is sufficient most of the time.
I've been complaining about "flat design" for quite a while; after all, the world is NOT flat. I've also been bitching for several years about the creation of OS X CRAYON.
Well bully for you.
Us other poor sods who've got the 16" laptops (with working keyboard and decent RAM size) would love to be on Mojave are forced to use the Catalina mess with its many failures.
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Catalina ran better on my 2012 mac mini i5 then it does on my 2018 mac mini i5, it makes zero sense, I had to downgrade my 2018 mini to mojave so the 5GHZ wifi would stop dropping.
Different drivers for different hardware - and you can bet that the 2012 has been out for so long that the majority of the bugs have been ironed out in releases today.
can we return to this statement in 2, 3 years?...
meanwhile, here on 10.15.3, on both my macs... everything works.