But the reality is, Apple can’t appease to every consumers wants or needs with touch ID, some want it on the back of the iPhone, some want it embedded under the display and others want Touch ID to remain as it always has since the 5s. Actually commend Apple for taking a completely different route with Face ID and offering a solution that likely other smart phone competitors will follow. Touch ID worked efficiently, but it wasn’t without its problems either where Face ID excels.
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iPhone X Is it me, or does Face ID suck? [MERGED]
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But the reality is, Apple can’t appease to every consumers wants or needs with touch ID, some want it on the back of the iPhone, some want it embedded under the display and others want Touch ID to remain as it always has since the 5s. Actually commend Apple for taking a completely different route with Face ID and offering a solution that likely other smart phone competitors will follow. Touch ID worked efficiently, but it wasn’t without its problems either where Face ID excels.
i thought it was because you’re still using an iPhone 6 that has Touch ID. It’s not like you were going to buy a new iPhone and didn’t because of Face ID. Using a 3 1/2 year old phone and complaining about the new tech on a new phone you don’t own, doesn’t make sense to me.
Right. We are discussing one element of the X's features. To which I said that I would not return a device because I struggled with one feature. My point was totally relevant.
Seems to me then that you would understand why some folks choose to complain.
First off, you stated and I quote
I did not need to quote that part of your statement to respond to it, as it was quite clear that I was, as another member has pointed out. Regardless, I did not misrepresent you. Juvenile is telling folks they can't discuss something because you fail to see the importance. Juvenile is creating straw man arguments because you don't understand the subject. And juvenile is telling other members what to do on a discussion forum. Regardless of weather or not I quoted your post, my point was valid. If you do not like the discussion, stop telling people how they should respond and use the ignore feature.
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Which was acknowledged how many times already in this thread that the argument goes both ways for those who appreciate Face ID and it’s not without its imperfections. Not sure why you’re reiterating something that’s already been discussed two or three pages back in the same thread. Being that you obviously didn’t read my prior post clear enough, I even reiterated to you and another member, biometric security will never be perfect, but being that you consistently make the same complaints over and over in this thread and other threads, doesn’t change this perspective of what Face ID is currently.
Actually, What you did was piece together some parts of my post to build your own agenda about Face ID (Being you consistently disparage against it for your own reasons), again; it’s completely unnecessary and juvenile to the discussion. If you want discuss Face ID, then do so in a manner that actually includes the quotes that others would understand versus trying to put something in place that you make it appear as two different things.
Also, this is a place for discussion, telling/suggesting somebody to move on already or use ignore feature (As you have twice) isn’t something necessary, its dismissive, when we all understand what those features are for, anyone can freely comment on anything they want in these posts without you having to suggest that otherwise. You can certainly can comment on Face ID all you want, Previously I was specifically alluding to how you pedantically complain about Face ID, but you don’t back up your argument specifically what you want to see changed or why, which appears your one sided with your arguments and you don’t want to see members views, just because you’re inconvenienced by Face ID when someone opposes you, you alter their post for the sake of your own discussion.
For the record, I never told anybody specifically anything or directed anything to anyone in this thread How to respond to any post. Another example of how you are side skirting the actual topic for Face ID.
Regardless, I think this discussion is exhausted and moving would be the best.
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And yet you felt it necessary to post why you fail to understand folks complaining about FaceID. You keep moving the goal posts.
I understand why you keep moving the goal posts. I called you out on your juvenile behavior and you are back pedaling. I did not piece together any of your posts. I quoted exactly what I wanted to respond to. I did not mis-represent you, nor make any false claims. You said what you did. Saying I disparage against FaceID is again, you not understanding the context and again making straw man arguments to back yourself out of the corner you painted yourself into.
Yet you said and I quote again for prosperity:
Apparently you do not understand what the ignore feature is for. Complaining about the complainers justifies only your inconvenience of having to read the complaints.
What? Why don't you stop lying. I have many times expressed why FaceID does not work for me and when. I have also stated numerous times how my struggles with FaceID will most certainly be addressed and fixed in future hardware versions. I have never suggested that I don't wish to see anyone's views that differ from my own. You are just a liar now, again moving goal posts. Welcome to my ignore list.
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Literally night and day for me...it works great during the day or in minimal lighting. It has never once worked in a dark bedroom, however. I have to use my passcode every time.
It's not just you, OP. I had such a mixed experience with it that I wound up selling my iPhone X (which I did love for a lot of reasons) and went to the iPhone 8 Plus. I just don't think that it's ready for the primetime - future iterations, perhaps. I find that TouchID works best for me.
I think the FaceID is a lot better than the fingerprint ID. I wear rubber gloves most of the time at work - I would always need to type my passcode into the phone to open it (or take off my gloves). Also, the touchID doesn't work with wet fingers - your fingerprint needs to be perfectly dry to open the phone. FaceID solves both of these problems, and it's also a lot faster for logging into keychain, bank apps, etc. Yes, it doesn't work while half my face is on the pillow in bed, but I think the tradeoff is worth it.
I find for my purposes that the TouchID has a much faster and higher success rate compared to FaceID; again, that's been my personal experience. For your situation, it does sound like FaceID is the better deal.
The ideal scenario would be having both systems in one device...maybe one day.
I'm one of the few people who think Face ID is a lot better than touch ID. Face ID has been way faster than touch ID in my experience. It works every single time. I have sweaty hands so touch ID didn't work all the time. What I don't like is how I have to bring the phone to my face for it to work. Still, a worthy trade off for how fast and seamless it is.
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Overall I would agree with the OP that FaceID is overall a step down from TouchID... in same ways it's better in some ways it's worse, but at best it is a side step.
I could go into all the nitty gritty details of situations where one excels over the other, blah blah blah... but after months of using it, I've come to realize that still in majority of situations I have to intentionally insure that my face/device is oriented properly. It's just that little extra mental process combined with a little extra physical process which isn't intolerable, but it's still there. TouchID was just seamless and mindless.
I could go into all the nitty gritty details of situations where one excels over the other, blah blah blah... but after months of using it, I've come to realize that still in majority of situations I have to intentionally insure that my face/device is oriented properly. It's just that little extra mental process combined with a little extra physical process which isn't intolerable, but it's still there. TouchID was just seamless and mindless.
I never experience issues with FACE ID... it works for me laying down, sitting up, sideways, in the dark, in the shower, it just works... I don’t get it... I almost never have to input my password. However you should know that putting your password in after a fail actually trains FACE ID to learn your face so you should always input it
As much as I struggle with FaceID, much like yourself, I don't believe that FaceID is a step down. When FaceID works for me, it really is magical, and I prefer it to TouchID. I understand that we are in a minority who struggle with FaceID, and have no doubt that all of our issues will be solved in a future hardware upgrade. Much like TouchID was vastly improved in Gen2.
I have to say reading all these Face ID threads on here since it’s launch, it does seem a bit marmite??
I personally like it. Didn't think i would tbh and that delayed me getting the X until now (managed to bag 2 for £1500 on ebay too!). Its a bit strange but i honestly prefer it to touch id.
LOL...I find myself staring at my Wife's 7+ for a few seconds and then realizing I must use my finger to unlock.
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IMO at best it is a side step (at least as it currently performs). I'm trying to imagine what it would feel like if Apple switched from FaceID to Touch ID (ignoring the screen/bezel difference. i.e. assuming edge to edge screen was achievable though under the glass TouchID or perhaps that FaceID still had the bezels there was just no home button previously). I sorta think that moving from FaceID to TouchID would have felt like a big step up. For one thing it's more secure (twin problem and shove it in someone's face problem), and also it just seems so much more convenient. All you have to do is touch the iPhone which if you're using it you're gonna be doing already! For FaceID there are many situations where unlocking convenience is degraded. I really think the biggest advantage for FaceID is it gave the ability for an edge to edge display, but I don't feel that should be used to discriminate between which unlocking technology is better.
I also have a hard time imagining realistic solutions for some of the problems. Like laying down in bed with face againt the pillow, or when your face is partially obscured, the direct sunlight issue, laying on the table off to your side... All of these situations are handled so much better with TouchID.
If you have Face ID enabled, you have to input your passcode if it fails. That’s the only backup method possible, so you don’t have an option, as you mentioned ‘You should always input it.’ But regardless, yes, the machine learning process assists in retraining Face ID to become apt to learning the users face. Also, for Face ID to improve, I see it being more hardware-based to assist in the unlocking process.
Wrong. You can hit cancel or press the lock button and try again or sometimes simply turning the phone away and then back towards your face will unlock the phone. You do not have to input your passcode.
Do you have an iPhone X?
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Yes, Two.
There is some initial confusion. Kardinal mentioned ‘You should know that putting your password in after if fails actually retrains Face ID to learn your face so you should always input it.’ What I’m alluding to is I realize that you can use Face ID again for various methods as you already indicated, but it automatically resorts to your passcode (Which is the only option after so many attempts, I Believe its five total ) if it does fail by default, which it relearns your face By taking another Capture and enrolls Face ID with the updated information of the users face. It appeared to me, that member was indicating you have a choice not to not input it (Which to use Face ID, you have to register a passcode) in which case you do have to after so many failed attempts. I interpreted something differently from the way it was originally described based off the OP made it seem that a passcode was not required, when it is as a fail safe method.
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It doesn't, it uses the original scan that failed and uses your [manual] confirmation that it was, in fact, a valid scan. If it took another scan, it would be a totally unique, new scan that might be valid (so no learning would take place). Also, the process of 'enrolling/enrollment' is specifically the initial scan and creation of the authentication model, subsequent learning is training of the existing, enrolled model.
It's not just you, it's awful. I put my passcode in multiple times a day.
For face recognition in general, im sure it's above the competition. However, the angle and distance that it works are too rigid.
For face recognition in general, im sure it's above the competition. However, the angle and distance that it works are too rigid.
Nothing wrong with this belief. The current version of FaceID is at least as good as the first generation TouchID.
Well all the rumors certainly pointed to an under the display fingerprint scanner. This still would have allowed for minimal bezels. But I really do believe FaceID was the better choice. Generaton 2 of TouchID was leaps and bounds better than the first gen.
I'm sure with new hardware, many of these concerns will be addressed. I have sleep apnea, so I do wear a mask at night. FaceID will never authenticate me with my mask on, no mater how many times I have entered my passcode. In this situation, FaceID has never learned. No issues when I had touchID for obvious reasons.
TID 2 was faster. It wasn't more accurate. It was already accurate enough in gen 1. FID is not as good as first gen TID.
There is no fingerprint scanner coming to the iPhone. It's Face ID from here on out.