is the Galaxy S 7 a real threat to iPhone ? how many here would switch ?

[The-Real-Deal82]

No one posted this yet? Supposedly a real leak. If true is that the plus variant? Rumor has it that only one of the plus models will get the dual lens, which if true would suck for smaller iPhone lovers like myself.

I actually prefer having antenna lines to a plain almost boring back like that. Then again that's only if I want to be critical as the aesthetics are never a deal breaker. I won't be forking out for the iPhone 7 anyway as I'm cutting down on my mobile phone expenditure.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Somebody said above that there is a FaceTime alternative on the S7. This pricked my interest because it's one of the things that keeps me on iOS. Does this cross platform and work with FaceTime or is this a silly question? About 95% of the people I know use FaceTime and we even use it at work for one to one meetings so basically I need to still have it.

Is the Samsung version just for android or Samsung to Samsung devices?

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

We can agree to disagree. While I see your perspective I just feel like the overriding main factor is making money. Regardless of the company. Samsung was hoping to boost sales from the s5 to s6, not to appease all the criteria but to get people to buy them. The s7 is a return of some features because the s6 wasn't a runaway hit financially. Hence the vr promo and the early bogo promos.

We are actually not disagreeing. Your focus is on "money being the factor". That's correct and is a given. But any changes in order to increase sales is influenced by public opinion, and nowadays public opinion is influenced by techies. Samsung recognizes this, so they have there ears wide open to the techie criticism.

For Apple it's slightly differ, public opinion on the Apple brand has been very favorable and solid. So Apple has been fortunate enough to set it's own trends and depend on it's brand to make the public see it as favorable. But that's slowly changing as the iPhone isn't really in a class by itself anymore, it's just run of the mill of the flagships. Not everyone sees that yet or is in denial, as the Apple brand is strong.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

We are actually not disagreeing. Your focus is on "money being the factor". That's correct and is a given. But any changes in order to increase sales is influenced by public opinion, and nowadays public opinion is influenced by techies. Samsung recognizes this, so they have there ears wide open to the techie criticism.

For Apple it's slightly differ, public opinion on the Apple brand has been very favorable and solid. So Apple has been fortunate enough to set it's own trends and depend on it's brand to make the public see it as favorable. But that's slowly changing as the iPhone isn't really in a class by itself anymore, it's just run of the mill of the flagships. Not everyone sees that yet or is in denial, as the Apple brand is strong.

Apple also offers something unique in that the iPhone is the only option if you want iOS. I wouldn't say people are in denial over that. You are right that the flagship market is a lot tighter now as the iPhone is no longer the only premium device but for many operating system still comes before hardware. The Apple brand is strong because it's been well focuses and marketed well. Apple have never flooded the market with devices or become outdated quickly so this has enabled them to maintain this strong branding.

 

[Fernandez21]

The thing is back when Steve Jobs ran apple, he never let up. Think back to when the iPhone 4 was out. No other phone at the time had a screen that good. No other phone had a camera as good. No other phone used premium materials. No other phone ran as smoothly. No other phone integrated the front facing camera as well as it did. No other phone offered a way to shoot, edit, and export videos the way the iPhone did. No other phone had video calls as smartly integrated. And only phones significantly larger offered better battery life. It was head and shoulders ahead of everyone else in several categories at the time.

Now? Every phone is as well built. Every phone has a screen that's at least as good. Every phone offers a camera at least as good. The only area apple is significantly better in is customer support. But in just about every other aspect the competition has caught up.

Now does this mean apple can't compete? Of course not. They still offer great services, a great ecosystem, and one of a kind customer service with a phone that's still among the best. But it's no longer in a class by itself, and that's what we miss that we hope comes back. Because apple has the talent, the clout, and the money to be the only front runner again, the question is if they will.

It's funny, because I used to pick on Samsung the same way a couple years back, about their oversaturated pentile displays, over bloated lagging software, and cheap plastic build. And people always came to their defense because they were the number 1 android oem and selling as well as the iPhone. It took a couple of down years for Samsung to wake up and make the phones we all knew they were capable of, and look at the caliber of phones they're releasing now.

Apple has it in them, the question is will they do it now while they're still selling like crazy, or will it take a down year or 2 to light their fire.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I don't think any company is capable in this day and age of leaping as far ahead as Apple did in 2010, even Apple. People still use that era as a benchmark and judge Apple on this, but I think the mobile industry has matured to a point where it's easy to identify what makes a good smartphone. We were all still learning back then and everything was new. Technology and market demand has reached saturation point and it's now a case of consumers deciding on preferred OS and a decent list of well designed flagship phones.

To be honest I don't think it's a need any longer to upgrade every 2 years even, it's just a desire.

 

[Fernandez21]

I don't think any company is capable in this day and age of leaping as far ahead as Apple did in 2010, even Apple. People still use that era as a benchmark and judge Apple on this, but I think the mobile industry has matured to a point where it's easy to identify what makes a good smartphone. We were all still learning back then and everything was new. Technology and market demand has reached saturation point and it's now a case of consumers deciding on preferred OS and a decent list of well designed flagship phones.

To be honest I don't think it's a need any longer to upgrade every 2 years even, it's just a desire.

I disagree with your first point. Back then no one thought about the materials of the phone. Screen resolutions were good enough. And no one expected a great camera on their phone because there wasn't enough space for the optics. Something like facetime was thought of as a gimmick. Yet apple did all those things when they still had what was arguably one of the best phones out.

And in that time frame they also released the MacBook Air when people thought PCs had plateaued and the iPad when people thought tablets were a lost cause. This is what keeps pushing things forward.

A couple posts back I posted about a scenario where I basically took the best of the S7 Edge and added to the iPhone. If Apple had made a phone like that, it would be considered the best phone out. Again in a class of its own.

As for your second point, I agree. These phones are good enough for what we ask of them that they should be good for those tasks for several years. But if all we're looking for is keeping the status quo then nothing moves forward.

 

[Truefan31]

We are actually not disagreeing. Your focus is on "money being the factor". That's correct and is a given. But any changes in order to increase sales is influenced by public opinion, and nowadays public opinion is influenced by techies. Samsung recognizes this, so they have there ears wide open to the techie criticism.

For Apple it's slightly differ, public opinion on the Apple brand has been very favorable and solid. So Apple has been fortunate enough to set it's own trends and depend on it's brand to make the public see it as favorable. But that's slowly changing as the iPhone isn't really in a class by itself anymore, it's just run of the mill of the flagships. Not everyone sees that yet or is in denial, as the Apple brand is strong.

See I don't agree with your premise. The Apple brand is strong no doubt but it isn't the curtain hiding anything in my opinion. Although you may see it as a run of the mill flagship, there's lots of happy and satisfied customers who find iPhone a pleasant experience. iOS is still unique, like it or not it offers something others cannot duplicate. The after sales support and service Apple offers further drives customer satisfaction. They at least act like they care. So it's hard for me to think they're not competing when they have a unique experience to sell, and have sold millions to customers who keep buying Apple devices.

 

[FFR]

Lol good job focusing on just hamburger. Why no mention of the laptop, tv streaming device or car? Ha-ha.

And so what if I used hamburger. YOU said sales = best product. But now you're backtracking, aww.

Now let me see if you continue to avoid the other examples and focus on the burger once more.

Sales in relation to profit.
You can't have on without the other.

I explained why your hamburger comparison was pathetic, but ok. Keep comparing the iPhone to a hamburger. ROFLMAO.

 

[FFR]

No, comparing marketing of products. The most popular, the most marketed =/= best product. Simple as that.

Uh huh.

 

[FFR]

I don't think anyone would argue sales is "meaningless." Of course not. No one is arguing whether or not Apple is a successful company. They're wildly successful.

Half the posters on this thread are arguing just that.

One more time, sales with out profit is meaningless.

 

[The Game 161]

It's a huge threat

If the iPhone 7 is a bad a upgrade I bet a lot will switch

 

[FFR]

It's a huge threat

If the iPhone 7 is a bad a upgrade I bet a lot will switch

Sorry but the same thing was said about the 6s at launch.

 

[The Game 161]

Sorry but the same thing was said about the 6s at launch.

No it wasn't

6S design was always going to stay. 7 is when a lot is suppose to be better. I have faith it will be a good upgrade but if it isn't? People might not be in s hurry to upgrade

I have a lot of apple products so I won't jump ship again but some might

 

[2ilent8cho]

Having had a Samsung Galaxy S2 in the past, for me its no threat and i refuse to buy a Samsung phone ever again, after my S2 experience, i had several close friends who also had one and wanted to throw the S2 against a wall after 18 months of ownership so i know my experience was not isolated.

Dire call quality, slightest bit of wind and you could not be heard.
Battery that would from nowhere plummet extremely rapidly.
Phone would get extremely hot
Lots of random lockup and freezes.

To name but of the few games we had to play with those junkie phones. They seemed to be ok for the first year with all of us then it just starts going down hill.

 

[navaira]

Having had a Samsung Galaxy S2 in the past, for me its no threat and i refuse to buy a Samsung phone ever again, after my S2 experience, i had several close friends who also had one and wanted to throw the S2 against a wall after 18 months of ownership so i know my experience was not isolated.

That sounds like my experience with S3 – it bricked itself spontaneously, was unable to play music without either randomly stopping or skipping, terrible battery, freezes, SD card disconnecting randomly... I promised myself not to buy Scheissung ever again. My brother LOVES the S7 though, and it has 4 GB RAM, SD slot and is water/dustproof which is one of my biggest needs when choosing a smartphone. I can get a new one in August, so I'm going to use my brother as guinea pig for four months.

 

[I7guy]

You do realise Cellebrite knows what it can and cannot hack better than you,right?They already retrieved the iPhone directories and nearly extracted all the files without resorting to lasers

They say exactly what they can and can't do and on what models. Note the can't do part.

 

[tRYSIS3]

It's a huge threat

If the iPhone 7 is a bad a upgrade I bet a lot will switch

im switching now, mainly for the AMOLED screen. Im not expecting apple to change the screen for the iPhone7

 

[Blaze4G]

Sales in relation to profit.
You can't have on without the other.

I explained why your hamburger comparison was pathetic, but ok. Keep comparing the iPhone to a hamburger. ROFLMAO.

Lol keep showing off your ignorance. It fits you well. You can't have sale without profit? OH REALLY?

So if I sell a billion phones for $100 and it cost me $150. I have sales but no profit right? Or you can't grasp that simple concept?

Lol! Again, you avoid my other examples about cars, streaming device and laptop. You're a funny guy .

 

[epicrayban]

I disagree with your first point. Back then no one thought about the materials of the phone. Screen resolutions were good enough. And no one expected a great camera on their phone because there wasn't enough space for the optics. Something like facetime was thought of as a gimmick. Yet apple did all those things when they still had what was arguably one of the best phones out.

And in that time frame they also released the MacBook Air when people thought PCs had plateaued and the iPad when people thought tablets were a lost cause. This is what keeps pushing things forward.

A couple posts back I posted about a scenario where I basically took the best of the S7 Edge and added to the iPhone. If Apple had made a phone like that, it would be considered the best phone out. Again in a class of its own.

As for your second point, I agree. These phones are good enough for what we ask of them that they should be good for those tasks for several years. But if all we're looking for is keeping the status quo then nothing moves forward.

Your last few posts, so excellent. Especially this one.

 

[jamezr]

Apologetic for what? Antenna lines? See again other than the enthusiasts on forums like here I'd guess most don't care about antenna lines to the degree that it's a deal breaking criteria.

These companies don't really care about people like us. I know people don't like hearing their opinions aren't put on a pedestal to these companies but it's about making money to them. You have a iPhone and other phones so to them mission accomplished. You probably saw some kind of value owning these phones. For all the talk on these forums it seems like you'll still buy a version of the iPhone 7. Again if you do, mission accomplished. For all the accusations of me being an apologist or a fanboy, all I see are others feelings gettin bent outta shape over their wishlists supposedly not being met in their frame of time yet they think it speaks to the state of the company as a whole to the real world.

apologetics from you as usual. Someone post something about Apple and you run to Apple's defense. No denying it.....you have that reputation here and it is well earned.
You keep saying these companies don't care about us. But you are so quick to defend Apple for every little thing. I think in your mind you care about Apple a great deal. You can say otherwise but i think that is truth. You must put so much value on defending all things apple on this forum because you do it constantly. You have even said you would not own an Android device...yet you are here in the Alternative section a great deal of the time. For someone who has said he hates or dislikes Samsung....you sure do spend a lot of time discussing them. You seem to take Apple's defense personally and spend a lot of time here in a subsection of a forum to do just that. Everyone here knows it and sees it.
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That's where you're mistaken. The millions of viewers of Youtube vlog reviews, millions of readers of the well known tech blogs and forums, ... are the majority of average users that want insight from users like us.

Companies like Samsung knows how loud and influential the techie minority can be. Which is why we see such a drastic improvement over the last several years.

Yep who was complaining about lack of SD Card in previous models? Not the average consumer. But all the techies and reviewers and Samsung listened.

 

[epicrayban]

I actually prefer having antenna lines to a plain almost boring back like that. Then again that's only if I want to be critical as the aesthetics are never a deal breaker. I won't be forking out for the iPhone 7 anyway as I'm cutting down on my mobile phone expenditure.

It's definitely not the best design, if accurate.

 

[Truefan31]

apologetics from you as usual. Someone post something about Apple and you run to Apple's defense. No denying it.....you have that reputation here and it is well earned.
You keep saying these companies don't care about us. But you are so quick to defend Apple for every little thing. I think in your mind you care about Apple a great deal. You can say otherwise but i think that is truth. You must put so much value on defending all things apple on this forum because you do it constantly. You have even said you would not own an Android device...yet you are here in the Alternative section a great deal of the time. For someone who has said he hates or dislikes Samsung....you sure do spend a lot of time discussing them. You seem to take Apple's defense personally and spend a lot of time here in a subsection of a forum to do just that. Everyone here knows it and sees it.
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Yep who was complaining about lack of SD Card in previous models? No the average consumer. But all the techies and reviewers and Samsung listened.

I'm only speaking what I think is true. I represent myself, I speak for myself. I didn't know you spoke for everyone like you're saying. So you represent everyone in this forum now? If that's the case like you say can everyone else chime in too to verify jamezr's claim? If that's the case then I should only address you in these forums right?

I'm pretty sure I've never said I'd never own an android device. I've owned some previously. I use an iPhone at the moment. And I don't hate Samsung. I think I've said this multiple times yet you keep calling me whatever, a hater, apologist, etc. that's fine but it doesn't mean I can't have an opinion just like you.

I don't take anything related to a phone or company personally, on the contrary it seems like you are based on the name calling you seemingly like to throw out constantly. Name calling posters in a forum over a phone or company seems to me that you are taking it way too personal.

 

[epicrayban]

apologetics from you as usual. Someone post something about Apple and you run to Apple's defense. No denying it.....you have that reputation here and it is well earned.
You keep saying these companies don't care about us. But you are so quick to defend Apple for every little thing. I think in your mind you care about Apple a great deal. You can say otherwise but i think that is truth. You must put so much value on defending all things apple on this forum because you do it constantly. You have even said you would not own an Android device...yet you are here in the Alternative section a great deal of the time. For someone who has said he hates or dislikes Samsung....you sure do spend a lot of time discussing them. You seem to take Apple's defense personally and spend a lot of time here in a subsection of a forum to do just that. Everyone here knows it and sees it.

He thinks we're having a "discussion." Sarcastic straw mans, and all.

If profits are the final point, then his discussion is done. We all agree apple is wildly profitable. The end.

Now let those who are interested in discussing how and where Apple can improve continue the convo.

 

[FFR]

Lol keep showing off your ignorance. It fits you well. You can't have sale without profit? OH REALLY?

So if I sell a billion phones for $100 and it cost me $150. I have sales but no profit right? Or you can't grasp that simple concept?

Lol! Again, you avoid my other examples about cars, streaming device and laptop. You're a funny guy .

Are you talking about a loss?
That's the definition of sales with no profit.

Sure while I'm at it I will explain how strawberry sales correlates to iPhones and the s7.
Smh.

Your comparisons are flawed.