Is the new Mac Pro a failure?

[filmak]

Why all the threads containing some skepticism about the nMP, and good willing criticism, have to end like this? It's unbelievable...

Are there people that the point of their life is to defend the nMP and its shortcomings?
Is it so difficult to understand that for many people the nMP, as a tool, is not suitable for the a or b reason? How can anyone deny this? Is it so hard to understand their disappointment?

Is it so difficult to understand that it's constructive and useful to discuss about the minus points of a product so it can be better in the future, or at least find other solutions?

Is there a thoughtful human being believing that Apple makes no mistakes ever?
We have to learn to hear other people's opinions and think a bit...

 

[Max(IT)]

Right, because anyone that does real time 3D modeling has no need for a faster card or is not a pro. Anyone that wants 10GB ethernet is not a pro. Anyone that wants a fast video capture card is not a pro. They should all be happy with hamstringing such needs through thunderbolt.

Al this debating about what a "pro" is and what is not is getting ridiculous.
There isn't an unique definition.
Everyone WORKING with a computer is entitled to the term "pro", and needs are very different ...

The only ones that surely aren't "pros" are the tech geeks looking for a gaming machine whining at the current Mac Pro on this forum (not directly speaking about you).
I didn't vote in this poll, because I'm not really in the market for a workstation (I'm a pro by all means, but a MacBook Pro and an iPad are my devices to work with), but I'm sure there are pro absolutely happy about the Mac Pro and others that are upset since it lacks something like internal bays and slots.

Why all the threads containing some skepticism about the nMP, and good willing criticism, have to end like this? It's unbelievable...

Are there people that the point of their life is to defend the nMP and its shortcomings?
Is it so difficult to understand that for many people the nMP, as a tool, is not suitable for the a or b reason? How can anyone deny this? Is it so hard to understand their disappointment?

Is it so difficult to understand that it's constructive and useful to discuss about the minus points of a product so it can be better in the future, or at least find other solutions?

Is there a thoughtful human being believing that Apple makes no mistakes ever?
We have to learn to hear other people's opinions and think a bit...

the same thing as usual could be said about you and all the complainers ... Is it so difficult to understand that for many people the nMP is suitable ?

 

[filmak]

the same thing as usual could be said about you and all the complainers ... Is it so difficult to understand that for many people the nMP is suitable ?

Who said that? Of course it's suitable for many people, I'm one of them myself.

I'm not a complainer, I'm satisfied with the nMPs I own, but we have to be a little bit open minded, why are all these people complaining? Perhaps because they face some difficulties with the new design?

So even if I am satisfied with the nMP, I think that we have to give the right to others not to to be so, for their reasons.

All of these attacks are completely unnecessary, a polite conversation is more useful...

 

[Max(IT)]

Who said that? Of course it's suitable for many people, I'm one of them myself.

I'm not a complainer, I'm satisfied with the nMPs I own, but we have to be a little bit open minded, why are all these people complaining? Perhaps because they face some difficulties with the new design?

So even if I am satisfied with the nMP, I think that we have to give the right to others not to to be so, for their reasons.

All of these attacks are completely unnecessary, a polite conversation is more useful...

I do agree.
My point is that a good part of the complainers are not even the target of the nMP.

 

[Bah-Bah]

It's a fail verdict from me. My 3.1 is still in service but the slow memory speed and aging CPU's are beginning to tell. I ran a Hackintosh for a couple of years which got me through but when that died and I needed some serious rendering grunt, I went with a 5960X 8Core system, overclocked at 4.2 Ghz, running Windows 7. This system cuts through Hi Rez Zbrush sculpts like a hot knife through butter and it's a beast at render time.

Something with similar capacity from Apple would have been 2 -3 times more expensive and still wouldn't have come with Nvidia options. I don't really like Windows but ultimately it's a machine for work and Apple have let me down. They just make sealed appliances now for a specific section of the consumer space and Pros, the once prized demographic of Apple have been either left out in the cold or fleeced in order to stay onboard with OSX.

 

[flat five]

Why all the threads containing some skepticism about the nMP, and good willing criticism, have to end like this? It's unbelievable...

Are there people that the point of their life is to defend the nMP and its shortcomings?
Is it so difficult to understand that for many people the nMP, as a tool, is not suitable for the a or b reason? How can anyone deny this? Is it so hard to understand their disappointment?

it's pretty clear you're (not necessarily you in particular) reading what you want to read instead of reading what has been typed.

how many times in this thread have i said 'i understand your gripes' (etc)?

..but then you come back with 'is it so hard to understand?!?"
do you think i'm lying when i say that? does is somehow disappear into the page leading to you skimming over it? what gives?

read the posts at face value.

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this thread is about apple abandoning creative pros by a bunch of people who aren't creative pros.. they love to talk about this ever elusive pro.. arguing against me using these mystery people as their cornerstone.. and what's effed is that i'm the exact person they're using in their examples and they're too (whatever) to pull the head out the backside and realize that..

it's a bunch of geeks and tinkerers and geekbench players saying "macs aren't the best options for geeks and tinkerers and geekbench players".. that is the entirety of the message but guess what.. it's been the same way for at least 20 years.. probably more.. you're saying exactly nothing new..

the problem is this--- "macs aren't the best for geeks" in no way correlates to "apple abandons creative pros"... it's a huge stretch of the imagination to arrive at that conclusion..

call it for what it is.. don't try to strengthen your complaint by piggy backing onto other people who actually use these things day in day out in a professional setting.. doing that automatically weakens the argument.. not strengthen it.


in this thread (forum) you have a bunch of these guys:



...who think they're these guys:

 

[996085]

I do agree.
My point is that a good part of the complainers are not even the target of the nMP.

That's why they're "complainers"...because Apple has removed the capabilities they need / want and by doing so excluded them from the target market.

 

[flat five]

That's why they're "complainers"...because Apple has removed the capabilities they need / want and by doing so excluded them from the target market.

more like apple removed the capabilities they want..
they haven't removed the capabilities they need.

there's a huge difference between those two.

 

[996085]

more like apple removed the capabilities they want..
they haven't removed the capabilities they need.

there's a huge difference between those two.

And?

 

[flat five]

And?

and nothing.. that's the point. that's the entirety of pretty much everything i say around here.

for example.. this thread(forum) is full of people discussing wants..
and void of people discussing needs.(even when they've explicitly been asked what their needs are)

yet everyone talks as if wants are needs.

 

[996085]

and nothing.. that's the point. that's the entirety of pretty much everything i say around here.

for example.. this thread(forum) is full of people discussing wants..
and void of people discussing needs.

yet everyone talks as if wants are needs.

So wanting something, as opposed to needing it, excludes someone from having a legitimate gripe?

 

[NT1440]

So wanting something, as opposed to needing it, excludes someone from having a legitimate gripe?

No, but whining about tool sharpening to the end of the work day and never getting around to actually using the tool sounds a lot like the mentality of this thread.

I work at a well known company that also has a magazine. There is a "trashcan" (the internal name of the pro here) on every desk. I haven't had one person bitch about the lack of X or Y, they just want their software on it, plug it in, and you know....get to work.

 

[996085]

No, but whining about tool sharpening to the end of the work day and never getting around to actually using the tool sounds a lot like the mentality of this thread.

I work at a well known company that also has a magazine. There is a "trashcan" (the internal name of the pro here) on every desk. I haven't had one person bitch about the lack of X or Y, they just want their software on it, plug it in, and you know....get to work.

So your people don't take advantage of the missing aspects of the cMP. How does that negate the fact there are people who do and are voicing their displeasure to that effect?

 

[flat five]

So wanting something, as opposed to needing it, excludes someone from having a legitimate gripe?

no, it doesn't.

but the distinction between the two should be made instead of pretending as if they're one in the same.

the discussions would be entirely different and, i assume, much more civil then.

 

[NT1440]

So your people don't take advantage of the missing aspects of the cMP. How does that negate the fact there are people who do and are voicing their displeasure to that effect?

What I've seen here is "pros" that seem to think that they should never have to adapt their workflows to new technology.

If you don't have the components you need for your work to be done on the Mac Pro, expense the ****ing tool you need and get back to work. Whaaaaa my FW800 needs *shock* an adapter to work! My RAID array won't work, even though if it's mission critical I can easily purchase the Thunderbolt equivalent, but as a pro I don't want to spend any more money modernizing my tools!

 

[996085]

no, it doesn't.

but the distinction between the two should be made instead of pretending as if they're one in the same.

the discussions would be entirely different and, i assume, much more civil then.

Why does the distinction need to be made? We all know they're two different things. If neither negate the argument what is the point of making the distinction?

 

[NT1440]

Why does the distinction need to be made? We all know they're two different things. If neither negate the argument what is the point of making the distinction?

Because many of the posts here just boil down to "I don't want to change X". If the change is mission critical and the person is truly a professional, they'll get the damn tool they need and get back to working.

 

[996085]

What I've seen here is "pros" that seem to think that they should never have to adapt their workflows to new technology.

What new technology does the nMP bring that people are objecting to?

If you don't have the components you need for your work to be done on the Mac Pro, expense the ****ing tool you need and get back to work. Whaaaaa my FW800 needs *shock* an adapter to work! My RAID array won't work, even though if it's mission critical I can easily purchase the Thunderbolt equivalent, but as a pro I don't want to spend any more money modernizing my tools!

What is the Thunderbolt equivalent to a high performance graphics card? One which does not require a compromise in speed over what used to be available?

 

[NT1440]

What new technology does the nMP bring that people are objecting to?


What is the Thunderbolt equivalent to a high performance graphics card? One which does not require a compromise in speed over what used to be available?

If your job somehow requires always having the newest and fastest graphics card available, maybe you shouldn't be using a Mac which historically NEVER have the highest end or the newest cards. Get the right tool for the job, and get back to work.

For people who really rely on these things, I'd imagine they spend less time bitching, and more time getting the job done regardless of the tools needed. If high end graphics cards are the end all and be all of your job, why in the world are you using a Mac?

 

[filmak]

it's pretty clear you're (not necessarily you in particular) reading what you want to read instead of reading what has been typed.

how many times in this thread have i said 'i understand your gripes' (etc)?

..but then you come back with 'is it so hard to understand?!?"
do you think i'm lying when i say that? does is somehow disappear into the page leading to you skimming over it? what gives?

read the posts at face value.

----
this thread is about apple abandoning creative pros by a bunch of people who aren't creative pros.. they love to talk about this ever elusive pro.. arguing against me using these mystery people as their cornerstone.. and what's effed is that i'm the exact person they're using in their examples and they're too (whatever) to pull the head out the backside and realize that..

it's a bunch of geeks and tinkerers and geekbench players saying "macs aren't the best options for geeks and tinkerers and geekbench players".. that is the entirety of the message but guess what.. it's been the same way for at least 20 years.. probably more.. you're saying exactly nothing new..

the problem is this--- "macs aren't the best for geeks" in no way correlates to "apple abandons creative pros"... it's a huge stretch of the imagination to arrive at that conclusion..

call it for what it is.. don't try to strengthen your complaint by piggy backing onto other people who actually use these things day in day out in a professional setting.. doing that automatically weakens the argument.. not strengthen it.


in this thread (forum) you have a bunch of these guys:

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...who think they're these guys:

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Imho every experienced user, pro or not, knows pretty well his computing needs.
If I remember well you have stated that you have bought an iMac instead of a nMP, because it wasn't suitable for you, for your reasons of course.

Do you think that there are people complaining here on purpose, without any actual interest to buy a mac pro? Just trying to make some noise?

Why ? (And I really would like to know about it)

There is no reason for fighting.
As it is true for every device on earth, for some people it may be suitable for some not.
There is no need to fight about it.
I enjoy using my nMPs but I also try to listen and respect other people's thoughts or problems.

 

[Max(IT)]

That's why they're "complainers"...because Apple has removed the capabilities they need / want and by doing so excluded them from the target market.

Sure. Apple made choices , and some were "quite extreme", so I can understand some users aren't happy about that because the nMP surely is different from the old one.
That doesn't make it a failure.
In my opinion the only failure I can see is more than two years without an upgrade.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Well, it's official. The new Mac Pro is a failure seeing how the majority even on MacRumors agrees according to the poll.

Time for Apple to go back to the drawing board... or they could just bring back the cheesegrater Mac Pro with updated components and get it over with.

 

[996085]

If your job somehow requires always having the newest and fastest graphics card available, maybe you shouldn't be using a Mac which historically NEVER have the highest end or the newest cards. Get the right tool for the job, and get back to work.

For people who really rely on these things, I'd imagine they spend less time bitching, and more time getting the job done regardless of the tools needed. If high end graphics cards are the end all and be all of your job, why in the world are you using a Mac?

Why does it have to be the newest and fastest? Why can't it be better than what is currently installed? Perhaps people are using Macs because their tools are on that platform. Or their customers are.

 

[996085]

Sure. Apple made choices , and some were "quite extreme", so I can understand some users aren't happy about that because the nMP surely is different from the old one.
That doesn't make it a failure.
In my opinion the only failure I can see is more than two years without an upgrade.

It is to those who needed / wanted the capability of the cMP. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[ixxx69]

It is to those who needed / wanted the capability of the cMP. Why is this so hard to understand?

It seems like the only way you'll accept that we "understand" you is if we agree with you. That's not the way it works.