After 30 pages, I think we should realize that user Just_My_Opinion is a troll. He blew his cover with that sensationalist youtube video he posted.
I sort of had the same reaction when I saw it, but you have to remember where you are. Considering the thread's clear agenda, I think this is an unfair accusation, and doubly so because there really are bad trolls in this forum that actually do deserve to be called out.
We should just petition to have 2 subforums- one for the cMP, and one for the nMP. No more inflammatory threads and posts being created on here by the usual 5-6 people who are known to be instigators.
It would have been fascinating to see what MacRumors would have done if Apple had EOL'd the Mac Pro model name altogether and introduced the nMP with a different name... would MR have created a separate forum? Would the MP trolls hang out there bashing it and giving everyone a hard time?
Don't know or care much about who is and isn't a troll, and I've honestly learned almost nothing about anyone in the 12 or so years I've been on this forum. But I will say that sometimes people who provide negative feedback about the direction of a company or product line are doing so with the best of intentions.
The surest recipe for withering on the vine, for any company or product, is to only take feedback from the converted. I've lived through that with Apple, in most of the 90's, and it wasn't pretty.
I don't know if you've been lurking the past dozen years in this subforum, but based on your posting history, you've only recently started posting here. As far as the general MP forum goes, we are WAY beyond offering negative feedback with "
the best of intentions". And Apple's 90's wasteland had nothing to do with which customer feedback they were listening to. Apple had no visionary direction, no intelligent market strategy, and was being run by bean counters who **** all over their customers with a ****** product line while they hovered near going out of business. They probably survived the 90's because their cult fan base kept them afloat, but it wasn't because they were
listening to their cult fan base.
But again, speaking for myself, I'd probably pony-up and buy a nMP, if it had relatively modern specs. Expansion-aside, the fact that they haven't touched the platform in over two years tells me that they don't care much about it. This alone speaks volumes.
Like many on here, I probably uploaded a nMP in my Apple cart dozens of times, in the last few months. But I just couldn't get myself to pull the trigger, knowing that I'd be laying out that kind of dough for a system that was somewhat outdated and couldn't be upgraded. One or the other, I could have probably overlooked. But with both going against it, I just couldn't make the leap.
Yeah, you're not going to get any argument from anyone here other than the total Apple sheep (which despite many accusations, you'd be hard pressed to find one around here). The thing is, once again, this has been expressed a thousand times before. You can express it again of course, but when you see the
same people expressing the exact
same things again and again and again and again... it does get old pretty fast, and it's just not cool.
The video was not in offend anyone, but point out the 6,1 deficiencies. I'm a Mac user, which disagrees with the design choices for the 6,1. Just because someone disagrees with the 6,1 does not make them a troll. Your needs for a desktop workstation are different than another user's needs. 56.7% of the users in this forum think the 6,1 is a failure. Since joining I've helped several mac users on the forums! Sad to see such an unwelcoming in the mac community.
The video is flamebait because it's extremely one-sided and isn't an accurate or fair comparison, and that's why it's considered trollish. Personally, I think it's kind of amusing, and again, in a thread like this, seems entirely appropriate to share.
56.7% of users
voting in this forum think the 6,1 is a failure. Again, if people are going to use
the poll as some sort of rationalization, the poll is going to get called out for exactly what it indicates:
that 56.7% of users who had an inclination to vote in a Mac Pro thread (on Mac Rumors forum) suggesting the nMP is a failure, voted that it indeed is a failure. There's
nothing else to extrapolate from that. I do continue to be surprised it's actually down to 56.7%. If it was 56.7% voting the other way, I'm sure some nMP users would gloat, but the poll still wouldn't mean anything.
As far as "unwelcoming" goes, I entirely agree with you, though the "unwelcoming" part undeniably leans 75-90% from the anti-nMP crowd. Thread after thread where nMP buyers and potential buyers are consistently told it's a toy computer, called all sorts of names, they're an idiot for buying/considering it, and so on. I don't see the nMP users saying the cMP sucks, putting down cMP users, and going into every cMP upgrade thread and calling everyone idiots for not buying a nMP instead.
