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Is the new Mac Pro a Failure for traditional Mac Creative and Professional customers


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56.7% of users voting in this forum think the 6,1 is a failure. Again, if people are going to use the poll as some sort of rationalization, the poll is going to get called out for exactly what it indicates: that 56.7% of users who had an inclination to vote in a Mac Pro thread (on Mac Rumors forum) suggesting the nMP is a failure, voted that it indeed is a failure. There's nothing else to extrapolate from that. I do continue to be surprised it's actually down to 56.7%. If it was 56.7% voting the other way, I'm sure some nMP users would gloat, but the poll still wouldn't mean anything.

As far as "unwelcoming" goes, I entirely agree with you, though the "unwelcoming" part undeniably leans 75-90% from the anti-nMP crowd. Thread after thread where nMP buyers and potential buyers are consistently told it's a toy computer, called all sorts of names, they're an idiot for buying/considering it, and so on. I don't see the nMP users saying the cMP sucks, putting down cMP users, and going into every cMP upgrade thread and calling everyone idiots for not buying a nMP instead.

The thread would have offered better results should it have been titled would you buy a nMP, Yes/No, explain what you would like to see in future updates. As it stands this poll is 100% opinionated, with no scientific backing. All I ever pointed out was missing features or specs that might have improved the 6,1. We should start a new thread as to features or specs upgrades that would make the MP line better.
 
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I think this thread should be closed, besides being land of trolls I have deep suspects on this poll, and I'd like MacRumors to audit it and check the votes come from regular users or "dormant" users (fake user ID created to promote polls tendencies).

That video plus the biased behavior of almost 4 users named here plus a 5th user which actually seems really an legit user just unsatisfied with the nMP all other 4 seems a team, the same kind of guys we can see posting "nightmare reviews" at Amazon or else where just to indirectly promote rival solutions.
 
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I think this thread should be closed, besides being land of trolls I have deep suspects on this poll, and I'd like MacRumors to audit it and check the votes come from regular users or "dormant" users (fake user ID created to promote polls tendencies).

That video plus the biased behavior of almost 4 users named here plus a 5th used which actually seems really an legit user just unsatisfied with the nMP all other 4 seems a team, the same kind of guys we can see posting "nightmare reviews" at Amazon or else where just to indirectly promote rival solutions.

they're not a team.. many people in this thread are regulars posting their regular spiel. (myself included)

if this thread closes, the same never-ending conversation will just move to another thread..

also, that video has been posted around here a few times already.. idk, to me.. it's funny.
like- a real computer user is the freaking cowboy hat guy? nice.. consider me anything but a real computer user ;)


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figuratively or whatever.. yeah, they're a team.. or a club.. etc.
but, not working together as a means to rile up the forum or anything like that.. just people with similar points-of-view is all.
 
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Here are people keeping it's savings for a 7.1 Mac Pro, outside there are people selling workstation "more powerful" and "more convenient" than a mac pro waiting for these money those are those who sponsors trolls to promote a fake opinion matrix about some products which will help you sell their crap.

The nMP is overdue for an update and people needing a workstation is holding until the new update is available people here is tired to wait from Apple and these troll come here to pasture them.

Apple should release a sneak peek on the nnMP just to send to the hell these trolls.
 
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Apple should release a sneak peek on the nnMP just to send to the hell these trolls.

that would make things worse
(or maybe not worse.. just more)

the gist of the argument here is Mac Vs PC... you know, the argument that started back when the internet was invented.

what's funny is that around here, you get to see the people that used to argue on behalf of mac now arguing on behalf of PC.

i don't know.. you'd think after 30 years or so, people would realize that in a spec war, PC has always and will continue to-- come out on top.. why people feel the need to continue to point this out is beyond me.
 
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The "Apple Tax" on hardware is always something we've accepted as a price of entry. It's not that bad relative to similarly specced PC workstations when the hardware is new. But when they let the hardware languish for 2 years without so much as a minor spec bump yet keep the same price tag, we've got major problems.

We're frustrated with Apple's apparent lack of enthusiasm for workstation Macs and their unwillingness to compete with PC workstation makers, not so much arguing on behalf of PCs.
 
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The "Apple Tax" on hardware is always something we've accepted as a price of entry. It's not that bad relative to similarly specced PC workstations when the hardware is new. But when they let the hardware languish for 2 years without so much as a minor spec bump yet keep the same price tag, we've got major problems.

i'm not quite sure i follow the 'needs more frequent updates' line of thinking.

personally, i fully expect to use a mac pro for at least 5 years.. what's it matter if there are 1or2or3or4 updates within that span?


We're frustrated with Apple's apparent lack of enthusiasm for workstation Macs and their unwillingness to compete with PC workstation makers, not so much arguing on behalf of PCs.
but is that what the mac designers are thinking too?
do you think they're unenthusiastic about the mac pro? i get it how people may feel that way but is that what's really going on?

for all we know, they're just following a ten year plan that was drawn up 5 years ago.. you know?
something like "we'll take nmp to 10,1 by 2023".. seems like an ok plan to me.
 
i'm not quite sure i follow the 'needs more frequent updates' line of thinking.

personally, i fully expect to use a mac pro for at least 5 years.. what's it matter if there are 1or2or3or4 updates within that span?
But it doesn't work that way in practice.

You seem to be assuming that you buy it the day it comes out and keep it until the next one comes out 3+ years later.

But what if I need to buy one in year 2 or 2 1/2 of a 3 year product cycle. And I know there's now going to be a major update soon, because it'll have been 3 years since the last one?

Now I'm paying full price for technology that is already 2-3 years old, and if I plan to keep it for 5 years as you suggest, in year 2 of my ownership, I'll be using 5 year old technology.

Of course I can always sell it when the new one does come out, but I'll take a huge hit since I'm now selling a used 3 year old computer that I paid full price for 6 months ago.

It also creates supply problems since the buying cycle becomes extremely front-loaded as everyone buys it when introduced, there are product shortages, and then by year 2, no one wants to buy it because they're holding out for the new one, and sales plummet even further.

Along the same lines, if you're a business with a bunch of Mac Pros, you're having to put out a huge expenditure every 3 years rather than spreading the expenses out yearly as new computers are actually needed.

Spreading out the introduction of new technologies is a good thing as well... you don't want to make large leaps between product cycles.

No, multi-year product release cycles is a sucky way to do business and a great way to piss off customers. Any given computer may not need to be updated every year, but it evens out the purchasing cycles, technology, and doesn't leave users feeling like overnight their "new" computer is several years old when a new one comes out.
 
but is that what the mac designers are thinking too?
do you think they're unenthusiastic about the mac pro? i get it how people may feel that way but is that what's really going on?
This I think is a great point.

Whatever someone thinks of the nMP as a workstation or as a successor to the cMP, etc., it's really hard to deny that Apple didn't spend a lot of time and attention on the nMP.

However much someone thinks Apple got it wrong, they can't say Apple didn't try in their own way to make a freaking cool computer.

As has been pointed out many times, like it or not, the nMP is exactly the kind of computer Apple likes to make. People may hate it, it may not server their needs, etc., but it's like they've been ignoring what Apple design is all about for the last 30 years. The "tower" Macs were the exception to the rule this whole time.
 
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If Apple "didn't care" about the Mac Pro, then why would they completely redesign the computer in 2013 and build an entire new factory in the USA just to assemble and ship it?

That's my question for the haters.
 
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Mac Pro hasn't been updated for more than 2 years, and still got the same price as it was launched back then. I think that is a bigger problem than redesign itself.

I don't think everything has to be blamed on Apple though, since GPU has been stuck on 28nm generation and there are no GPUs currently available that would be considered meaningful upgrade from AMD that could fit within power n thermal limits of nMP.

AMD is releasing new GPU lineup next year so we will find out soon. If Apple still doesn't update nMP by then, it is probably safe to say Apple is phasing them out.
 
Mac Pro hasn't been updated for more than 2 years, and still got the same price as it was launched back then. I think that is a bigger problem than redesign itself.

I don't think everything has to be blamed on Apple though, since GPU has been stuck on 28nm generation and there are no GPUs currently available that would be considered meaningful upgrade from AMD that could fit within power n thermal limits of nMP.

AMD is releasing new GPU lineup next year so we will find out soon. If Apple still doesn't update nMP by then, it is probably safe to say Apple is phasing them out.

To be fair though those are all self imposed limitations. I'll go even earlier if we don't see a hint by May then it's probably gone at least in this form factor.
 
I would be pretty interested if the vote would be for nMP owners only btw. I have the feeling that a lot of people who like the nMP never even had one or used it over a longer period of time.
I wonder how many people who voted have ever bought a new Mac Pro of any version. ISTM that many of those singing the praises of the cMP are doing it because they got a good deal on a used system & then upgraded the hell out of it were never in the market for a new MP & therefore by definition are not Apple's target market.
 
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I wonder how many people who voted have ever bought a new Mac Pro of any version. ISTM that many of those singing the praises of the cMP are doing it because they got a good deal on a used system & then upgraded the hell out of it were never in the market for a new MP & therefore by definition are not Apple's target market.

Instead of an underhanded accusation how about starting a poll to ask?
 
The thread would have offered better results should it have been titled would you buy a nMP, Yes/No, explain what you would like to see in future updates. As it stands this poll is 100% opinionated, with no scientific backing. All I ever pointed out was missing features or specs that might have improved the 6,1. We should start a new thread as to features or specs upgrades that would make the MP line better.
The whole way the question is phrased is loaded & arse about face. The question should have been:-

Is the new Mac Pro a Success for traditional Mac Creative and Professional customers?
 
I wonder how many people who voted have ever bought a new Mac Pro of any version. ISTM that many of those singing the praises of the cMP are doing it because they got a good deal on a used system & then upgraded the hell out of it were never in the market for a new MP & therefore by definition are not Apple's target market.
I would. In 2002 I started with a Brand New PowerMac G4 1.25DP, shifted to a Brand New PowerMac G5 1.8DP, then to a Brand New Mac Pro 2.66QC and finally to my current Create Pro built Mac Pro 3.46Hex.
A Brand New Mac Pro 3.5 Hex was going to be my next move until I discovered that everything is proprietary and almost impossible to upgrade and that internal storage options were crap. If they release a dual HDD version when they bump it, (along with one or two other improvements), I’ll re-evaluate.
Not in the target market’ is a crap excuse. If it’s good and even out of your target market that’s still a possible sale.
 
I would. In 2002 I started with a Brand New PowerMac G4 1.25DP, shifted to a Brand New PowerMac G5 1.8DP, then to a Brand New Mac Pro 2.66QC and finally to my current Create Pro built Mac Pro 3.46Hex.
A Brand New Mac Pro 3.5 Hex was going to be my next move until I discovered that everything is proprietary and almost impossible to upgrade and that internal storage options were crap. If they release a dual HDD version when they bump it, (along with one or two other improvements), I’ll re-evaluate.
Not in the target market’ is a crap excuse. If it’s good and even out of your target market that’s still a possible sale.
There isn't a lot of scope for upgrading a MP 1,1 & your other Mac Pro wasn't bought new & upgraded over the years. You bought a cheap used one that had been upgraded by a 3rd-party so I am not sure why you care about what components of the nMP can be upgraded. Having AppleCare on a new system & on-site support would be an essential comfort blanket for me rather than arguing the toss with some 3rd-party who sold you a 6 year old used system.
 
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If Apple "didn't care" about the Mac Pro, then why would they completely redesign the computer in 2013 and build an entire new factory in the USA just to assemble and ship it?

That's my question for the haters.

The factory was mostly a political move to placate the ever growing concern over outsourcing to china. Most of the parts are still produce in China.
 
The factory was mostly a political move to placate the ever growing concern over outsourcing to china. Most of the parts are still produce in China.

Moving final production to the United States was possible because of the much lower demand for workstations compared to its mobile devices. Even with iMacs & MacBooks.
 
I think this thread should be closed, besides being land of trolls I have deep suspects on this poll, and I'd like MacRumors to audit it and check the votes come from regular users or "dormant" users (fake user ID created to promote polls tendencies).

That video plus the biased behavior of almost 4 users named here plus a 5th user which actually seems really an legit user just unsatisfied with the nMP all other 4 seems a team, the same kind of guys we can see posting "nightmare reviews" at Amazon or else where just to indirectly promote rival solutions.
IOW you don't like the results / discussion so instead of just ignoring it you want to silence the nMPs critics.
 
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if you read through this thread (or this forum), i think you'll find very few nmp owners complaining about it.
Does this surprise anyone? I would hope someone who buys something would not be so unhappy with what they purchased that they'd complain about it. The problem, again, is not those who buy the system and are happy with it. The problem is:
  • How many people who purchased a nMP would have chosen a cMP update if it was available? IOW how many people settled for the nMP because there wasn't an alternative?
  • How many people who would have purchased a Mac Pro have not done so because the limitations of the nMP? IOW what is the lost opportunity?
I don't know why several people here fail to understand these two simple points.
 
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Yeah, you're not going to get any argument from anyone here other than the total Apple sheep (which despite many accusations, you'd be hard pressed to find one around here). The thing is, once again, this has been expressed a thousand times before. You can express it again of course, but when you see the same people expressing the exact same things again and again and again and again... it does get old pretty fast, and it's just not cool.
What's "just not cool" is participating in a discussion for which the topic is something you clearly do not want to engage in. It's not like the title is misleading as to what the discussion is about. If you don't find it or the participants to your liking then ignore it. No one is forcing you to participate in this discussion.
 
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Here are people keeping it's savings for a 7.1 Mac Pro, outside there are people selling workstation "more powerful" and "more convenient" than a mac pro waiting for these money those are those who sponsors trolls to promote a fake opinion matrix about some products which will help you sell their crap.

The nMP is overdue for an update and people needing a workstation is holding until the new update is available people here is tired to wait from Apple and these troll come here to pasture them.

Apple should release a sneak peek on the nnMP just to send to the hell these trolls.
Lose the whole troll argument...please. Just because someone doesn't share your opinion doesn't make them a troll. IMO accusing someone of being a troll is the lamest or lame responses.
 
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The whole way the question is phrased is loaded & arse about face. The question should have been:-

Is the new Mac Pro a Success for traditional Mac Creative and Professional customers?
What is a "traditional Mac Creative and Professional"?
 
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