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If you remove any subjective gripes or praise for the X and look at purely from a design and tech point of view. The latest flagship device is meant to be the best implementation of every form of use over the previous device. It doesn't matter if you are not a gamer or a video watcher.

With this regard in certain situations (like gaming/media) the X doesn't perform this task better than the 8 (or 6 or 7) as the notch intrudes on content, whether or not you use the device where this would become an issue doesn't alter this fact.

The X should be better in every aspect of use, not just in portrait mode and under certain circumstances and this is where peoples critique comes from.

IMHO Apple have removed bezels which are wasted space and just introduced a different problem, to me that isn't innovation but a further compromise, your mileage may vary.
 
I understand your objections completely for the purpose of gaming or watching video on your phone. For some of us who rarely do those things on our phones, please help us understand why you would purchase the X at all. No disrespect intended.

Bingo.

Those who complain about the X on the grounds of streaming video and its compromise to battery life bought the wrong phone. The Plus is the iPhone for that kind of user.
 
Wrong.

The notch tells the world I've got an iPhone X that cost $1,200 at an Apple Store and not a used iPhone 6 that cost $49 on Craigslist. Call me shallow, but that's a little important to me.

I don't wear cheap shirts, I don't wear cheap shoes, I don't wear cheap watches, I don't drive cheap cars, and I certainly don't use cheap phones.

You dig?

Not necessarily true. Plenty of fake immitations out there. I mean seriously, if iphone XI comes with a big nazi symbol notch, you gonna dig that too, because it tells the world you're rocking an iphone xi? What about if if the xi comes with a 5cm camera lense bulgue at the back, that will definately let the world know you got an iphone xi. You gonna dig that? Think about what you're saying. You dig a compromise because it tells everyone what device you have.

What about if you had a giant birth mark which covered 90% of your face, everyone would always be able to recognise you as you. Would you dig that? Maybe get yourself a notch haircut, ala Samsung's ad.

Honestly I've never heard a more ridiculous justification for the notch. Doesn't the Apple logo at the back tell the world it's an iphone? And if people see no home button, they should be able to put 2 and 2 together and figure out what device it is.
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Actually, I think your post is more confusing than anything. All that member said was some people continue to post their disdain for the notch over and over again, because they likely feel the need to likely complain about something that they can’t change themselves. So you either support the current form of the iPhone or shun it all together. But continually complaining about it doesn’t make the notch go away either. Some just don’t have an issue with it.

In the legal world, you would be classed what is called a conventionalist because saying the iphone has a notch so therefore we have to accept it means you have a conventional level of thinking. The law says ABC so therefore it should be right. That's conventional thinking too. But hang on, just because the law says ABC does not make it right. It can be better. It can be changed. I'm post conventional. Just because Apple says a cut out of your screen is the way to go does not make it ideal. Because it simply is not. Do people notice the notch after a while? No. Does it stop the iphone from functioning? No. Does it intrude on your content when in landscape? Yes. Would it be better if there was no botch there at all? YES. Is it a compromise for something that could have been far better? YES!

I'm sure Apple aren't blind and deaf to what its customers want. If more and more customers started letting Apple know that the notch is not ideal, I'm sure they would change it. Apple eventually gives people what they want, bigger screens, third party keyboards, cheaper options etc etc etc. Maybe we should all be telling Apple the cut out which intrudes on your content has to go, because telling people yoy dig it certainly won't help.
 
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It's still bad Apple should do something, you don't like it just learn to live with it

The question still stands. So.... ----> How long have you had and used your X for?

Complaining about something that has never been owned or used is really quite odd... I've never had, owned or used an iPhone Plus so for me to slam the phone would be laughable and wrong. My only comment on the Plus is that it's to large for me. Notice the word me there? Making a general statement that the phone is to large and talking smack on it entails I am making a matter of fact statement that applies to everyone..

You are more than welcome to think the notch is ugly but don't cram your opinion down the throats of others. It's ugly to you perhaps..
 
The question still stands. So.... ----> How long have you had and used your X for?

Complaining about something that has never been owned or used is really quite odd... I've never had, owned or used an iPhone Plus so for me to slam the phone would be laughable and wrong. My only comment on the Plus is that it's to large for me. Notice the word me there? Making a general statement that the phone is to large and talking smack on it entails I am making a matter of fact statement that applies to everyone..

You are more than welcome to think the notch is ugly but don't cram your opinion down the throats of others. It's ugly to you perhaps..

You don’t have to own something to dislike the design or certain features, on the flip side of course by purchasing something and using it that opinion may change.
 
You don’t have to own something to dislike the design or certain features, on the flip side of course by purchasing something and using it that opinion may change.

Oh I agree 110%... I know that I don't like the Plus because of it's physical size. I don't need to own it to know that. But my point is that I do not run around posting my personal thoughts on it's size in every Plus thread in existence as an 'a matter of fact' statement that applies to everyone.

These threads constantly go off topic and rehash the same over and over and over again. The OP asked if faceID was going to stay not if each person liked it or not.

I think faceID is going to stay (to get back on topic) and those who so passionately hate the notch need to start looking at Android phones. I have a strong feeling that come Sept 2018 notch'd phones are all Apple is going to be making. The 8 and 8 Plus may stick around for a year but even that is questionable IF apple releases the cheaper 6.1" LCD rumored notch having version.
 
Oh I agree 110%... I know that I don't like the Plus because of it's physical size. I don't need to own it to know that. But my point is that I do not run around posting my personal thoughts on it's size in every Plus thread in existence as an 'a matter of fact' statement that applies to everyone.

These threads constantly go off topic and rehash the same over and over and over again. The OP asked if faceID was going to stay not if each person liked it or not.

I think faceID is going to stay (to get back on topic) and those who so passionately hate the notch need to start looking at Android phones. I have a strong feeling that come Sept 2018 notch'd phones are all Apple is going to be making. The 8 and 8 Plus may stick around for a year but even that is questionable IF apple releases the cheaper 6.1" LCD rumored notch having version.

I do agree with you, but if a plus thread comes up asking if people think it’s too big , your opinion would be as valid as any one else. Whether you think it’s worth while voicing your opinion on the matter is of course upto you.

There are always troll comments but it seems any opinion on any of these devices if it isn’t positive is met with furious anger.
 
The notch can shrink if technology gets smaller and better. Camera is inevitable, speaker is inevitable, there needs to be space for those. All the components for FaceID need space unless you don't want a selfie camera and want to go back to fingerprint sensing, which FaceID has proved itself to be more convenient.
 
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I do agree with you, but if a plus thread comes up asking if people think it’s too big , your opinion would be as valid as any one else. Whether you think it’s worth while voicing your opinion on the matter is of course upto you.

There are always troll comments but it seems any opinion on any of these devices if it isn’t positive is met with furious anger.

If such a thread came up and I decided to post in it my comments would be something like this:

'The Plus is just to large or a phone for me as I am not into the larger phones'

I understand some are unhappy with the X. It's either the price, the notch, faceID, this - that - or the other... The problems is many of the complaints might not be justified IF the person actually used the X for more than a few minutes in a store. faceID can't be tested in store, the notch takes more than 5 minutes to fade away and become unnoticeable, especially if it's already being looked at in a negative fashion.. The price complaints? I get it, especially outside of the US. Even in the US I do think it's slightly overpriced but it's not what I'd say is absurd.

At any rate, I am way off topic here but I do believe that constant and as a matter of fact slamming should only be done if the device was actually owned and used over a period of time and NOT because it was seen or played with in a store for 2 minutes.. Most of the attacks are from non owners. Those who have the device appear to be overwhelmingly happy with it.
 
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Oh I agree 110%... I know that I don't like the Plus because of it's physical size. I don't need to own it to know that. But my point is that I do not run around posting my personal thoughts on it's size in every Plus thread in existence as an 'a matter of fact' statement that applies to everyone.

These threads constantly go off topic and rehash the same over and over and over again. The OP asked if faceID was going to stay not if each person liked it or not.

I think faceID is going to stay (to get back on topic) and those who so passionately hate the notch need to start looking at Android phones. I have a strong feeling that come Sept 2018 notch'd phones are all Apple is going to be making. The 8 and 8 Plus may stick around for a year but even that is questionable IF apple releases the cheaper 6.1" LCD rumored notch having version.

HAHA
Oh I agree 110%... I know that I don't like the Plus because of it's physical size. I don't need to own it to know that. if your answer make sense how come in not good for the people not buying the X , the notch is only one reasons
see you 8/2018
 
The notch can shrink if technology gets smaller and better. Camera is inevitable, speaker is inevitable, there needs to be space for those. All the components for FaceID need space unless you don't want a selfie camera and want to go back to fingerprint sensing, which FaceID has proved itself to be more convenient.

I agree.. I think Apple will shrink it over time but it's still going to be there and even if they shrink it by 1mm the haters will still hate.

What needs to happen is for Apple to push developers to update their apps. For video and game apps, the developer could blackout the sides of the notch and add a proportionately sized bar to the bottom side. Even if that's done, the complaints and tantrums would then be about letter boxing...

Apple is all in on the notch so people need to accept it or move on to an Android phone that does not have a notch. My hope is that developers will ratchet up their apps with notch adjustments... I'm not a big video watcher on phones and I don't play games but all of the apps I use have been updated.
 
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I agree.. I think Apple will shrink it over time but it's still going to be there and even if they shrink it by 1mm the haters will still hate.

What needs to happen is for Apple to push developers to update their apps. For video apps, the developer could blackout the sides of the notch and add a proportionately sized bar to the bottom side. Even if that's done, the complaints and tantrums would then be about letter boxing...

Apple is all in on the notch so people need to accept it or move on to an Android phone that does not have a notch. My hope is develops will ratchet up their apps with notch adjustments...

Now you talk and make sense if you were following the subject you would see many said what you just so nicely put
 
Now you talk and make sense if you were following the subject you would see many said what you just so nicely put

Either way some people just don't get it and need things to be explained in n different ways before they actually get it. I've enjoyed my X so far, it's the best thing since iPhone 6... haters gonna hate, but for me, I was skeptical until I started using it, and got familiar with it since back when it launched and I haven't had any doubts since. To see the other week a huge line forming at the Apple store made me curious and I found out they were lining up for the iPhone X. Put a smile on my face and reminded me no matter how many haters there are, there are still plenty of likers that don't care about the notch and maybe like me, realize how great the iPhone X is... (and maybe through Macrumors and other news outlets... how minor the changes are for 2018's new iPhones)
 
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Either way some people just don't get it and need things to be explained in n different ways before they actually get it.

And some will never get it...

The notch is here to stay so much of the outrage could and should be directed at developers who have not updated their apps. If someone has an un-updated app, they should contact the developer. At some point they are all going to either be onboard or their apps will start to fall off the map..

For the never-notchers, there is always Android phones, many which are great phones and are notch'less...
 
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Not necessarily true. Plenty of fake immitations out there. I mean seriously, if iphone XI comes with a big nazi symbol notch, you gonna dig that too, because it tells the world you're rocking an iphone xi? What about if if the xi comes with a 5cm camera lense bulgue at the back, that will definately let the world know you got an iphone xi. You gonna dig that? Think about what you're saying. You dig a compromise because it tells everyone what device you have.

What about if you had a giant birth mark which covered 90% of your face, everyone would always be able to recognise you as you. Would you dig that? Maybe get yourself a notch haircut, ala Samsung's ad.

I like the notch. Please stop trying to convince me I don't.
 
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And some will never get it...

The notch is here to stay so much of the outrage could and should be directed at developers who have not updated their apps. If someone has an un-updated app, they should contact the developer. At some point they are all going to either be onboard or their apps will start to fall off the map..

For the never-notchers, there is always Android phones, many which are great phones and are notch'less...

Why do you send people to Android there is plenty iPhone 6S 5S+ 7 8 8+ Apple still sell them
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I like the notch. Please stop trying to convince me I don't.

I like it too just wish it was longer from edge to edge
 
Why do you send people to Android there is plenty iPhone 6S 5S+ 7 8 8+ Apple still sell them

They won't have any choice in the very near future. Form the X forward, It's notch, notch, notch. If Apple still sells the 8 and 8 Plus after Sept 2018 it will only be for a year. After they stop selling them, the never-notchers are either going to buy used phones or move on..

Here is what I've said:

I have a strong feeling that come Sept 2018 notch'd phones are all Apple is going to be making. The 8 and 8 Plus may stick around for a year but even that is questionable IF apple releases the cheaper 6.1" LCD rumored notch having version.

For the never-notchers, there is always Android phones, many which are great phones and are notch'less...
 
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Since Ben Lovejoy is reporting that Google is possibly designing a phone copying the notch, I would say yes it is not only going to stay but be found on other smart phones. He reports that Samsung most likely will not copy it as they have ridiculed it, but my take is that if other companies start using it then so will Samsung, especially if they find out that it is cheaper to use it than other methods.
Quote from article on Apple News:

“Google reportedly planning to mimic iPhone X notch in next-generation Android phones
We’ve already seen a couple of Chinese Android phones copy the iPhone X notch, but a report today suggests that Google is planning to do the same thing.
The report says that Google is specifically trying to persuade iPhone users to switch to Android by improving the look of its software and boosting the sensor tech …
Bloomberg reports on the plan, citing unnamed sources.
While Chinese brands may be focusing on simply copying the visual look of the flagship iPhone, Google wants to copy the tech too.
The piece notes that not all Android manufacturers are expected to follow Google’s lead, though Huawei is believed to be working on a similar design. The first phone to take the notch approach was the Essential Phone, created by Android co-founder Andy Rubin, though in that case there was just a small notch for the camera.
One Android phone maker who may not embrace the notch is Samsung, which last year made an ad mocking it.”

As for me I don’t even notice it any more.

Or maybe Google is just adapting to the Android phone that had a notch prior to iPhone? I had an Essential for a while. Formally accounting for the notch in software is necessary. I agree that Apple, despite being second with notched designs to an Android manufacturer, made the design very popular.
 
The notch will shrink but at this point in time looks like Apple is kissing Touch ID
Goodbye
Only way Apple goes back to Touch ID is if Samsung comes out with Touch I D embedded in the screen and Apple loses customers. Probability isn’t there
 
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