iPad Pro Is yellow smearing when scrolling normal??

[papbot]

because more sites are offering (and more users are implementing) a dark mode feature,

I would definitely agree with that since this first came to my attention on this site because I was using the dark setting. And there are a few other sites where I also take advantage of their dark setting. So I appreciate your perspective in that regard. However I didn’t notice, at least not in any way that was distracting to me, this issue last year with my M1. I believe I got my M1 in May 2021 and was not aware of anything like this even on this site with its dark setting. Nor did I see any noticeable issue on native apps such as Settings and Mail where I see an issue now regardless of dark mode. All of this really became distractingly noticeable to me about the time 16.1 was rolled out to the iPads. I still had the M1 at the time. The M2 may well make all of this worse, I can’t make any determination there since it updated to 16.1 when I activated it and I never got a chance to use it before 16.1.

And yes I may wind up turning night shift and True Tone off since that virtually eliminates the issue which I would have done with the M1 had I associated those features with this problem. Right now I have night shift scheduled off and there is minimal issue, no one but me would even notice anything. Turn True Tone off also and there is no issue. I saw those response times mentioned in the articles you linked to but none of that is noticeable to me unless night shift and True Tone are both enabled, both of which are software features. I’m no authority but 16.1 was released in October I believe, and I had it early on my M1 because of being on the beta, so maybe it was installed on the ipad in September, maybe late August(?) That’s when I realized something wasn’t right. But nothing was apparent to me previously.

 

[jonnyb098]

Actually, a number of people reported that the same M1 on 15.7 did NOT have the issues being described here, then AFTER UPGRADING to 16.1, the issues appeared. It's not the panel, it's the software.

So is it fixed with 16.2? I still find it hard to believe screen response time can be affected by software. Tons of people on other forums and Reddit talk about last years m1 iPads and MacBook pros smear like crazy. The screens are almost double the response times as the 2020 models. However I do see turning True Tone off makes it a tad better so maybe true tone is much more aggressive in making the screen yellow. My screen definitely gets shifted a LOT when toggling it

 

[papbot]

So is it fixed with 16.2?

Unfortunately no.

 

[hippopotamusglorypig]

Well, you can influence response time behavior with software (that's what the various "overdrive" modes in monitors do), and that's what the YouTube reviewer who specializes in monitors that I linked to earlier refers to when they say that Apple could have spent more time to optimize the MacBook Pro display's response time characteristics. But it would be peculiar for Apple to have tuned it to be worse in a software update, and pretty unlikely to be behind whatever, if anything, is going on here.

I don't have it with me any longer so I can't speak to the latest iPadOS version, but I will just say that I was clearly able to see these artifacts on my 2018-era iPad Pro when I had it - and that had poor response times in the ordinary sense, rather than the bafflingly poor motion performance of the mini-LED models.

 

[Rafterman]

So is it fixed with 16.2? I still find it hard to believe screen response time can be affected by software. Tons of people on other forums and Reddit talk about last years m1 iPads and MacBook pros smear like crazy. The screens are almost double the response times as the 2020 models. However I do see turning True Tone off makes it a tad better so maybe true tone is much more aggressive in making the screen yellow. My screen definitely gets shifted a LOT when toggling it

The screens from the 2021 M1s and 2022 M2 iPads are the same. And as I said, there were no issues with 15.7. They only appeared with 16.x on the M1s (there is no 15.x for the M2s, but they are the same panel). So in this case it looks to be software. There are many reasons why software could be creating screen artifacts.

 

[papbot]

My wife uses the 2018 12.9 iPad Pro on 16.1 and I don’t see any such issue on it. I had used that device previously and didn’t notice anything on whatever the ios was at that time. The slight blurring, minimal and inconsequential to me, when scrolling can be seen if you focus on it. But night shift and True Tone, which she doesn’t use, don’t produce the effects I see on the M2.

 

[hippopotamusglorypig]

My wife uses the 2018 12.9 iPad Pro on 16.1 and I don’t see any such issue on it. I had used that device previously and didn’t notice anything on whatever the ios was at that time. The slight blurring, minimal and inconsequential to me, when scrolling can be seen if you focus on it. But night shift and True Tone, which she doesn’t use, don’t produce the effects I see on the M2.

I realize we're going in circles so I don't wish to overly dwell on this point, but the "slight blurring" that is "minimal and inconsequential" on the older model is a result of the same issue of slow response times. This simply gets compounded when you add dark mode, Night Shift, True Tone, and the even worse response time performance of the mini-LED model on top. It describes the same panel characteristic, just expressed differently.

It's all a spectrum of what you're willing to tolerate. And on the mini-LED model, it seems like you're happy with dark mode on, but with Night Shift and True Tone turned off. They're great panels! It's just a matter of living with the other characteristics and working around them.

 

[Mockenrue]

Just to reiterate since it keeps getting lost in the shuffle:

• I can see and I do tolerate the slight blurring due to inherent panel limitations on my M1 iPad Pro 12.9" on iPadOS 15.7 (and previous).
• When I upgraded to 16.1 the "slight" blurring became the much worse dimming/smearing described by many here. And obvious discoloration with True Tone on that wasn't there before.
• When I downgraded back to 15.7 - which I'm still on - I was once again very happy with the scrolling performance, even though it is not perfect. The key point: it is substantially better than it was on 16.1.

The only reason I know about this thread is that I practically jumped online to search for this problem as soon as I upgraded. Even my wife confirmed it, and she's always the one who says "I don't see it" when I complain about visual issues.

When I scroll this thread right now, I see white text moving on a page. When I did the same on 16.1, white text turned orange and blurred. With True Tone off, the white text substantially dimmed and smeared. Same device, same panel - the only difference is 15.7 vs. 16.1.

 

[jonnyb098]

Unfortunately no.

I cant unsee it unfortunately. As soon as I go to scroll it’s a smack in the face….not what I expect from a near thousand dollar device.

 

[papbot]

Same device, same panel - the only difference is 15.7 vs. 16.1.

That’s my contention as well. For the entire time I had the M1 I never noticed or became aware of any display issue that bothered me. That was over a year, then some time toward the end of the summer or early September I became aware of this site in particular but also others that were blurring and dimming/yellowing. Which is about when I installed the 16.1 beta on my M1. With the M2 that replaced it I again noticed this and started looking for relevant posts and here they were. But I had never gone looking prior to 16.1 because my eyes weren’t aware of any issues. The blurring may be made worse by the 2 features but the problem, for me anyway, is those features, not the blurring. Whatever blurring or response performance there is with iPads, M models specifically, was not apparent to me. But this discoloration and dimming is very apparent and only since the end of the summer.

 

[papbot]

not what I expect from a near thousand dollar device.

I’m with you on that. But if this truly became a problem with 16.1, and remains so far in 16.2, then it seems it is something that can be resolved, I’m hopeful anyway. I never went looking for a thread like this prior to 16.1. Hopefully I can stop following it eventually. I do remember when I had gotten the newest 12.9 iPad Pro right before ios 11 was released. I was very pleased with it and then 11 comes out and the display was noticeably blurred, and I don’t think it was just while scrolling but I really don’t remember right now. That was software and was corrected soon after, I think with 11.1. I’m still holding out for a similar outcome.

 

[jonnyb098]

I’m with you on that. But if this truly became a problem with 16.1, and remains so far in 16.2, then it seems it is something that can be resolved, I’m hopeful anyway. I never went looking for a thread like this prior to 16.1. Hopefully I can stop following it eventually. I do remember when I had gotten the newest 12.9 iPad Pro right before ios 11 was released. I was very pleased with it and then 11 comes out and the display was noticeably blurred, and I don’t think it was just while scrolling but I really don’t remember right now. That was software and was corrected soon after, I think with 11.1. I’m still holding out for a similar outcome.

Yeah I don’t have a ton of confidence in Apple lately as far as software QA And seeing what a mixed bag stage manager is….I’m testing with True Tone off to see if I can tolerate it better. If so then I might be good….otherwise I might have to take a slight step back to an iPad Air or mini.

 

[Pirographe]

I'm going to receive a new iPad Pro this morning and i'll see if the problem persists

 

[Pirographe]

I'm going to receive a new iPad Pro this morning and i'll see if the problem persists.

 

[hippopotamusglorypig]

Just to reiterate since it keeps getting lost in the shuffle:

• I can see and I do tolerate the slight blurring due to inherent panel limitations on my M1 iPad Pro 12.9" on iPadOS 15.7 (and previous).
• When I upgraded to 16.1 the "slight" blurring became the much worse dimming/smearing described by many here. And obvious discoloration with True Tone on that wasn't there before.
• When I downgraded back to 15.7 - which I'm still on - I was once again very happy with the scrolling performance, even though it is not perfect. The key point: it is substantially better than it was on 16.1.

The only reason I know about this thread is that I practically jumped online to search for this problem as soon as I upgraded. Even my wife confirmed it, and she's always the one who says "I don't see it" when I complain about visual issues.

When I scroll this thread right now, I see white text moving on a page. When I did the same on 16.1, white text turned orange and blurred. With True Tone off, the white text substantially dimmed and smeared. Same device, same panel - the only difference is 15.7 vs. 16.1.

Yes, as I say, for all I know, I'm wrong, and there has been a change to the way True Tone or Night Shift is being implemented. But I suppose my skepticism arises from the fact that the only constant is the slow response times, and the descriptions of the issue are consistent with the descriptions of a display with slow response times, and the videos in this thread seem to depict a display with slow response times. Meanwhile, there are reports of 16.2 solving the issue, 16.2 not solving the issue, 16.1 M1 seemingly not affected by the issue, and 16.1 being the source of the problem on M1. That's a lot of overlap and contradiction that makes me question any alternate explanation when there is already another that accounts for the variability.

This would not explain your experience and I think one other in this thread, hence my remaining being open to other possibilities. What we need is more information.

Edit:

Also, to expand a bit on the last point, it is, at the very least, genuinely a bit odd that there are so few mentions of the issue, particularly in light of your experience in seeing this only after updating your existing device. There aren't many M2 iPad Pros out there, but surely there are quite a few M1 models and surely a number of them have been updated to the latest software by now.

I've tried a few keyword searches on Twitter, and all I see are two links to the "iPhone in Canada" article, and they have zero replies. Contrast that with the experience of searching for "iPad" and "jelly," for instance, or even "iPad" and "folder blur," and the difference is stark.

 

[sunking101]

Is this typical Apple premium quality again?

 

[Pirographe]

I received a new iPad and the problem is still there but very mitigated. I keep it. I didn't go to iOS 16.1.

 

[TheRealAlex]

Someone needs to do a “smear” test side by side because my new M2 11” iPad Pro smears more when scrolling than my iPhone 13 Pro Max.

 

[papbot]

Someone needs to do a “smear” test side by side because my new M2 11” iPad Pro smears more when scrolling than my iPhone 13 Pro Max.

You won’t see this on the phones with their OLED displays.

 

[papbot]

Just to throw another confusing observation into the mix here. I’m currently on my 2013 MacBook Pro. Dark setting on this site and night shift active. That yellowing is noticeable on Safari here. And I just went to another site where I am using their dark setting and it's the same, slight yellowing when scrolling. Not as bad as the iPads but noticeable with a dark setting active. Noticeable because I’m now looking for it. What this signifies I don’t know but there does seem to be some issue with the implementation of dark settings and night shift even on my computer. Night shift just went off according to my schedule and no yellowing while scrolling on a dark site. Now granted I was looking for this and may never have noticed it if it weren't for my iPad, but it is there.

 

[JabroniCorleone]

One thing confused me:
On 16.1 is the problem there and on 15.7 not? But what if my ipad comes with 16.0?

 

[papbot]

One thing confused me:
On 16.1 is the problem there and on 15.7 not? But what if my ipad comes with 16.0?

You should be fine if it comes with 16. Both here on this thread and in another forum those who have been able to avoid 16.1, and stay on 16 have not noticed the issue. With my previous M1 ipad I was using the 16 betas most of the summer and wasn’t aware of any problems, then they released the 16.1 beta only for the iPads and that’s when I started to notice a problem. Just stay on 16 as long as you can, there are a couple features you may not have but you probably won’t miss them.

 

[the future]

Wow you people don’t get it do you…..the response time of the display is just garbage it’s that simple….

Please read the thread before answering … it cannot be the display if the difference is night and day after “upgrading“ to 16.1 (and perfectly fine again when downgrading to 15.7) on the exact same device.

Just to reiterate since it keeps getting lost in the shuffle:

• I can see and I do tolerate the slight blurring due to inherent panel limitations on my M1 iPad Pro 12.9" on iPadOS 15.7 (and previous).
• When I upgraded to 16.1 the "slight" blurring became the much worse dimming/smearing described by many here. And obvious discoloration with True Tone on that wasn't there before.
• When I downgraded back to 15.7 - which I'm still on - I was once again very happy with the scrolling performance, even though it is not perfect. The key point: it is substantially better than it was on 16.1.

The only reason I know about this thread is that I practically jumped online to search for this problem as soon as I upgraded. Even my wife confirmed it, and she's always the one who says "I don't see it" when I complain about visual issues.

Exactly.

Also, downgrading an M1 iPad isn‘t an option anymore as Apple already stopped signing 15.7.

 

[papbot]

Please read the thread before answering … it cannot be the display if the difference is night and day after “upgrading“ to 16.1 (and perfectly fine again when downgrading to 15.7) on the exact same device.



Exactly.

Also, downgrading an M1 iPad isn‘t an option anymore as Apple already stopped signing 15.7.

It could be the placebo effect or just wishful thinking but the just released 3rd beta of 16.2 seems to have fixed this. There seems to be a connection to the stuttering that many phone users, mostly the 14s, have been reporting. Over on that thread they say that this update also fixes that. I’m flipping back and forth between sites that have a dark setting and I’m seeing no yellowing or smearing. Night shift and True Tone are both on. With those on I still saw the issue in Settings or in Mail with black text on the white background, but I see none of that now. I will keep checking, but unless I’m deluding myself this seems to be fixed. So hold out for 16.2, of course the next version could just bring it back, so I will continue to monitor it.

 

[Frankfurt]

It could be the placebo effect or just wishful thinking but the just released 3rd beta of 16.2 seems to have fixed this. There seems to be a connection to the stuttering that many phone users, mostly the 14s, have been reporting. Over on that thread they say that this update also fixes that. I’m flipping back and forth between sites that have a dark setting and I’m seeing no yellowing or smearing. Night shift and True Tone are both on. With those on I still saw the issue in Settings or in Mail with black text on the white background, but I see none of that now. I will keep checking, but unless I’m deluding myself this seems to be fixed. So hold out for 16.2, of course the next version could just bring it back, so I will continue to monitor it.

That‘s great to hear!