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papbot

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Same issue on beta 2. Not fixed.
I went back and looked at the video I submitted through Feedback Assistant and there really isn’t any change after this new beta so I’d have to agree that it is not fixed.
 

hippopotamusglorypig

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How can it be „just the response time“ when scrolling on our M1 Pros was perfectly fine all the time until iPadOS 16.1? That doesn‘t make any sense. It is definitely a software bug.
I suppose it's more accurate to say that it has always been quite bad, but it's possible there is a software bug that is causing some kind of visual artifact that is unrelated to the physical limitations of the panel but that also produces a similar effect. That seems a little dubious to me, although I respect that your experience tells you otherwise.

We can already see there isn't a consensus on whether the new beta fixes the issue, however.

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Night Shift has to be on for you to see the smearing

Also, not to be obtuse, but the reason the "yellow smearing" looks worse with Night Shift / True Tone on is because these are settings that typically make the screen warmer, ie: more yellow. It's possible they've change the way they've implemented these features to exacerbate the effect of the slow response times, but that's about the only "bug" that would make sense here.
 
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the future

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I suppose it's more accurate to say that it has always been quite bad, but it's possible there is a software bug that is causing some kind of visual artifact that is unrelated to the physical limitations of the panel but that also produces a similar effect. That seems a little dubious to me, although I respect that your experience tells you otherwise.

It has not „always been quite bad“. From the first ProMotion iPad Pro on, scrolling has been a revelation. Right now it is atrocious and nowhere near a „similar effect“.

I was one of the folks who (temporarily) downgraded to 15.7 again on my M1 just to be sure this problem was introduced with 16.1. The difference was night and day, on the exact same device/panel.
 

iphoneuserinyyz

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Also, not to be obtuse, but the reason the "yellow smearing" looks worse with Night Shift / True Tone on is because these are settings that typically make the screen warmer, ie: more yellow. It's possible they've change the way they've implemented these features to exacerbate the effect of the slow response times, but that's about the only "bug" that would make sense here.

I raised the question a few pages back, but is it possible that whatever got added to the screen to allow the pencil hover function in the M2 iPads is also causing these screen issues?
 

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if i were in your shoes , i'd return it in the meantime . it's not like you dont have a 2020 pro right ?

if it turns out to be software and sw only , then buy a new one
 

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I was one of the folks who (temporarily) downgraded to 15.7 again on my M1 just to be sure this problem was introduced with 16.1. The difference was night and day, on the exact same device/panel.
It really is night and day... on the same panel for me too. I stayed on 15.7 and won't go back to 16.x until I know for sure that it has been completely fixed.
 
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iphoneuserinyyz

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if i were in your shoes , i'd return it in the meantime . it's not like you dont have a 2020 pro right ?

if it turns out to be software and sw only , then buy a new one
I'm not sure if this was directed at me, but the reason I have both an M1 and M2 iPad is that I initially bought the M2 and experienced the issues described in this thread. I then found an M1 on sale, and bought it with the intention of returning the M2. Now I have both for a while (at least until I decide which one to keep), so I am waiting to see if the M2 issues get fixed before my return period ends for either device. I would prefer to keep the M2 (being one year newer, I guess it is more "future proof", FWIW), but not if the screen issues aren't resolved.
 

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I'm not sure if this was directed at me, but the reason I have both an M1 and M2 iPad is that I initially bought the M2 and experienced the issues described in this thread. I then found an M1 on sale, and bought it with the intention of returning the M2. Now I have both for a while (at least until I decide which one to keep), so I am waiting to see if the M2 issues get fixed before my return period ends for either device. I would prefer to keep the M2 (being one year newer, I guess it is more "future proof", FWIW), but not if the screen issues aren't resolved.
no it ws directed at the OP :)

yeah that's fair ! just be careful not to cross the return period .
 

Pirographe

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I bought the M2 because I had an Air 2 that was eight years old. I'm thinking of sending it back and taking an Air 5.
 

Jackbequickly

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Don’t understand how it can be on some and not others. Mine does not display this smearing that I see in the posted video. Why do only selected ones do this.
 

papbot

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Don’t understand how it can be on some and not others. Mine does not display this smearing that I see in the posted video. Why do only selected ones do this.
I no longer see what is displayed in the first posted video but I do see the dimming and slight blurring of text with night shift and True Tone enabled especially if there is white text on a black background. Do you see anything like that? Software issues can affect some devices and not others. Just look at that thread about stuttering when swiping to close apps on iPhones, particularly the new 14s. I have a 14 Pro Max and have never seen that.
 

shuvia666

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At the Apple Store right now, the iPad here is presenting the same problem too. Yellow smearing on the white text in dark background dark mode + Night Shift
 

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It is good news that the smearing / color shift is gone on 16.2. The slight dimming and blur when scrolling is not very noticeable and may very well be related to the slow pixel response time somebody mentioned earlier. Certainly I would have never picked up on it, if it would have not been pointed out.
 

shuvia666

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It is good news that the smearing / color shift is gone on 16.2. The slight dimming and blur when scrolling is not very noticeable and may very well be related to the slow pixel response time somebody mentioned earlier. Certainly I would have never picked up on it, if it would have not been pointed out.
Hey, did they fix it? Cool, I’m changing mine right not (If they agree) because even the motion blur is normal the only on my unit it’s excesive an event a slight scroll will make all the letters a mess and difficult to read
 

papbot

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At the Apple Store right now, the iPad here is presenting the same problem too. Yellow smearing on the white text in dark background dark mode + Night Shift
I think that combo is the source of the problem. I was just comparing this site, set to Macrumors light setting, on my wife’s 2018 12.9 iPP, both with night shift on and off. The scrolling behavior is exactly the same on my M2 but when dark mode or a site’s dark setting is brought into the mix on my M2 the dimming, or maybe it’s increasing in the yellowing that night shift causes, of the text becomes noticeable on mine but not hers. Mine is on the 16.2 beta and hers is on 16.1. So I’m guessing this issue is primarily with the M iPP models, not all, but from the posts here and my own experience with my previous M1 many of them.
 

papbot

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Hey, did they fix it? Cool, I’m changing mine right not (If they agree) because even the motion blur is normal the only on my unit it’s excesive an event a slight scroll will make all the letters a mess and difficult to read
If you don’t use night shift you probably won’t notice an issue. If you do you will see the issue especially if dark mode is also enabled, or a web site’s dark setting. This is not fixed in the current beta, at least on my M2. You can play around with all 3 settings - dark mode, night shift, and True Tone - to minimize it To where it’s barely, if at all, noticeable.
 

Mockenrue

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The slight dimming and blur when scrolling is not very noticeable and may very well be related to the slow pixel response time somebody mentioned earlier.
Since the dimming/blurring issue goes away with a rollback to 15.7, we know it's not related to the pixel response or anything to do with the panel itself. For those who think it's not very noticeable, I suggest scrolling a full page of white text on a black background in the Amazon Kindle app. You can't miss it.

That's not to say that inherent screen limitations aren't present on any iPad OS version. Minor refresh rate and blooming effects are visible either way, but 100% acceptable to me. The dimming/blurring effect brought on by 16.1 (that is not present in 15.7) is unacceptable in my opinion... and much worse than the yellow/orange discoloration which can at least be defeated by disabling true tone and night shift.
 
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Jackbequickly

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I no longer see what is displayed in the first posted video but I do see the dimming and slight blurring of text with night shift and True Tone enabled especially if there is white text on a black background. Do you see anything like that? Software issues can affect some devices and not others. Just look at that thread about stuttering when swiping to close apps on iPhones, particularly the new 14s. I have a 14 Pro Max and have never seen that.

I have the latest 12.9 M2 and 14 ProMax and have not seen any display problems like I saw in the yellow smearing video. I would be upset if I did.

Strange how some displays are not showing and some do.
 

Pirographe

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On my iPad 11 Pr, I have this problem without night schift and without true tone.It's very tiring for the view.
 
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