Other It’s almost 2019 and apple announced a phone that cost 750 and can’t display a 1080 screen

[mi7chy]

Nothing wrong with near 720p on a <=6" display. What is wrong is the pricing when, for example, $50 Huawei Ascend XT2 has great 720p 5.5" display. Is it worth paying 15x more for the Xr? For the naive consumer perhaps but not for the smart consumer.

 

[1050792]

Nothing wrong with near 720p on a <=6" display. What is wrong is the pricing when, for example, $50 Huawei Ascend XT2 has great 720p 5.5" display. Is it worth paying 15x more for the Xr? For the naive consumer perhaps but not for the smart consumer.

The thing is most will buy it because it's an iPhone and it's cheaper than the other one.

 

[EugW]

Nothing wrong with near 720p on a <=6" display. What is wrong is the pricing when, for example, $50 Huawei Ascend XT2 has great 720p 5.5" display. Is it worth paying 15x more for the Xr? For the naive consumer perhaps but not for the smart consumer.

XT2 is 267 ppi. That would make my eyes bleed. Well, not quite that bad but you know what I mean. 267 ppi is more appropriate for a laptop, that is viewed from much further.

Xr is 326 ppi.

To be clear, I think the clarity of the X and 8 Plus is similar regardless of their effective pixel densities. I also think the 326 ppi iPhone 8 is perceptively worse than the Plus and Xs.

However I also think the 326 ppi is good enough, and that’s why I think Apple may release a another 326 ppi 750x1624 iPhone next year.

 

[Sedulous]

Nothing wrong with near 720p on a <=6" display. What is wrong is the pricing when, for example, $50 Huawei Ascend XT2 has great 720p 5.5" display. Is it worth paying 15x more for the Xr? For the naive consumer perhaps but not for the smart consumer.

I think the iPhone XR can have higher asking price because of other features (the A12 SOC appears to be a beast) and it works in the Apple ecosystem better than the other options.

 

[Dexterama]

Apple is a for-profit company and they will sell the Xr like hotcakes

 

[Peter K.]

Except the PPI of the iPhone XR is the same PPI as the iPhone 8 and 7 and 6. It is a reasonable compromise. Why is the PPI suddenly some major deal breaker when not a peep was made before? A 500 PPI LCD is completely pointless. The LCD does not have or need the extra colored sub pixels found in OLED and therefore it does not need the extra PPI.
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Yet some people on here seem to be under the impression that something posted in 1080p won't be able to play on the iPhone XR even though it has the same PPI as the iPhone 8.

This isn’t suddenly a problem for some of us. I’ve been bemoaning Apple’s PPI choices for years now.

From the still 326 PPI iPhones 6, 7 & 8 to the 264 PPI iPads Pro 9.7” and 10.5”, many of us have been saying these were bad choices for quite some time.

Also, no one is asking for 500 PPI LCDs. I’ve already said previously that 401, like the Plus models, would be fine.
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Xr is 326 ppi.

To be clear, I think the clarity of the X and 8 Plus is similar regardless of their effective pixel densities. I also think the 326 ppi iPhone 8 is perceptively worse.

However I also think the 326 ppi is good enough, and that’s why I think Apple may release a another 326 ppi 750x1624 iPhone next year.

I understand that I’m addressing your opinion here, but (IMO) these two statements cannot coexist.

 

[EugW]

I understand that I’m addressing your opinion here, but (IMO) these two statements cannot coexist.

Oops. Forgot to add the rest of the sentence. Fixed my post above.

To summarize, to my eyes, the iPhone 8's font quality is not quite as good as the Xs and Plus (and the Xr should be similar to the 8). However, I think it's good enough that most people don't realize or care it's not quite as good as the Xs.

This is in contrast to the 267 ppi of the Ascend XT2 mentioned above. That screen would be obviously worse to just about anyone.

 

[Sedulous]

This isn’t suddenly a problem for some of us. I’ve been bemoaning Apple’s PPI choices for years now.

From the still 326 PPI iPhones 6, 7 & 8 to the 264 PPI iPads Pro 9.7” and 10.5”, many of us have been saying these were bad choices for quite some time.

Also, no one is asking for 500 PPI LCDs. I’ve already said previously that 401, like the Plus models, would be fine.
[doublepost=1537581504][/doublepost]I understand that I’m addressing your opinion here, but (IMO) these two statements cannot coexist.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I do microsurgery on fetuses and iPhone retina displays have always been sufficient to my eyes. Yes, if the display is three inches from my eyes I can see some hints of pixels. It seems rather a more balanced use of system resources than scrutinizing the absolute finest details of the display.

Curiously, most laser printers print at 300 DPI for routine jobs. Why has that not been an issue?

 

[mi7chy]

This is in contrast to the 267 ppi of the Ascend XT2 mentioned above. That screen would be obviously worse to just about anyone.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. People will notice a difference between 1080p vs 720p than 326ppi vs 267ppi.

 

[AustinIllini]

That's a bit of an exaggeration. People will notice a difference between 1080p vs 720p than 326ppi vs 267ppi.

I don't think the average user will notice without a side by side comparison.

 

[Sedulous]

That's a bit of an exaggeration. People will notice a difference between 1080p vs 720p than 326ppi vs 267ppi.

Actually, depending on display size and/or viewing distance, 1080 and 720p could appear identical. Pixel density does matter but only in a range. Somewhere between 300 - 400 ppi is good.

 

[chad.petree]

Most common cellular plans mostly have 480p streaming. Only the top tier cellular plans have 720p+ streaming! Not many people can afford a $100 a month cellular unlimited plan! Most carriers charge an additional extra for the full 1080p streaming. A $10-$20 more surcharge on top of the 720p plan. Xr is the one to get if you use cellular to watch streaming content and you are not in a top of the line unlimited cellular plan with add on extra 1080p tied to it! I just do not see how one can pay over $120 just to get 1080p streaming on their smartphones. Just ridiculous expense for that privilege! Content in 720p which is still consider HD but not full HD is more then adequate for such a small screen. All Apple iPad even the pro are 720p with 264ppi I think? I know my iPad Mini is 720p with the same 326ppi

This isn’t suddenly a problem for some of us. I’ve been bemoaning Apple’s PPI choices for years now.

From the still 326 PPI iPhones 6, 7 & 8 to the 264 PPI iPads Pro 9.7” and 10.5”, many of us have been saying these were bad choices for quite some time.

Also, no one is asking for 500 PPI LCDs. I’ve already said previously that 401, like the Plus models, would be fine.
[doublepost=1537581504][/doublepost]I understand that I’m addressing your opinion here, but (IMO) these two statements cannot coexist.

I'm on the same boat, I've been critizing the display of the regular iphone for years, in fact it always amazed me how pretty much every review would praise the screen and not mention the resolution, but of course android flagships with the same resolution would be critized if they would choose a 72ßp on those same websites ....

And also please stop saying we're asking for crazy resolutions and 500 ppi , the 401 ppi apple used on the iphone 6 plus would have been perfect, they started using that resolution 4 years ago!

 

[Shanghaichica]

iPhone Xr does have the best solution regarding screen resolution of all iPhones! We get the first time an iPhone that display the "Plus" versions of iOS Apps, but the GPU doesn't need to scale graphics 60 times per second like on the Plus- or X/Xs modells. That's the reason iPhone 6 Plus was sooo slow. After 6S Plus we got faster graphic power, but it still need to scale the graphics 60fps, which needs CPU and GPU power.

From this technical point of view it's the best iPhone ever. Full App size, but no scaling needed!

I really understand if you complain regarding missing Dual-Cam or 3D Touch, but display-wise it's technically the best solution. Over 300dpi is enough. EOD.

Apple have made work arounds for the lack of a dual camera and 3D Touch. The low resolution screen can’t be negated.

 

[souko]

I do not think that it is problem. Yes, Xs has better screen.
But the screen is not about resolution so much.
None of these android phones has so good calibration. None of them has P3 gamut. None of them has as accurate and vibrant colors. None of them has as good viewing angles. And I can continue.

Yes, you will see pixels when you look at it from 10 cm. But you will not notice it from the usable distance. It is 6,1” screen.

 

[falainber]

Yet that phone will likely sell more than Samsung/pixel devices combined.

Are you saying iPhone users are suckers? It looks like they are. They are buying inferior products while paying top dollar.

 

[The Game 161]

Are you saying iPhone users are suckers? It looks like they are. They are buying inferior products while paying top dollar.

Actually no they are buying better products. Which for all iPhone users they are better products.

Software is a big reason why iPhones are better to buy than android for most people. IOS devices work perfectly together which android devices really don't for the most part.

 

[AppleHaterLover]

Are you saying iPhone users are suckers? It looks like they are. They are buying inferior products while paying top dollar.

Welcome to SuckerRumors. We're all suckers

 

[1050792]

Are you saying iPhone users are suckers? It looks like they are. They are buying inferior products while paying top dollar.

Inferior is highly subjective I personally didn't see anything inferior with the XS.

 

[ZombiePete]

It’s almost 2019 and my car doesn’t fly. The future is a lie.

 

[firewire9000]

Why so much fuss about the resolution? The important thing is how it looks in person, if it looks well, I don’t care about it. We are not talking about the baseline iMac and the 4K one which the resolution takes a big role there.

 

[EugW]

That's a bit of an exaggeration. People will notice a difference between 1080p vs 720p than 326ppi vs 267ppi.

267 ppi on a phone would be instantly obvious to most people. The pixelation is very easy to see even at normal viewing distances.

In contrast, a lot of people have problems seeing the deficiencies of a 326 ppi screen unless you specifically point them out, with a 401 ppi screen next to it for comparison.

 

[Peter K.]

Oops. Forgot to add the rest of the sentence. Fixed my post above.

To summarize, to my eyes, the iPhone 8's font quality is not quite as good as the Xs and Plus (and the Xr should be similar to the 8). However, I think it's good enough that most people don't realize or care it's not quite as good as the Xs.

This is in contrast to the 267 ppi of the Ascend XT2 mentioned above. That screen would be obviously worse to just about anyone.

I knew what you meant. I still believe the two bolded statements cannot coexist.

 

[EugW]

I knew what you meant. I still believe the two bolded statements cannot coexist.

Sure they can. For the very discerning eye, like yours or mine, we can see a difference. But most people either don't see it, or else don't care because the difference is very minor to them.

I can tell you my wife doesn't see a difference. The Xr is perfect for her.

Maybe if I pointed the differences out to her with the Plus next to it, she'd see it, but why bother doing that if she has no complaints?

 

[MICHAELSD]

$799 so that at the least the area for 16:9 content on the display was 1080p would be a lot more appealing.

 

[Broadus]

Sure they can. For the very discerning eye, like yours or mine, we can see a difference. But most people either don't see it, or else don't care because the difference is very minor to them.

I can tell you my wife doesn't see a difference. The Xr is perfect for her.

Maybe if I pointed the differences out to her with the Plus next to it, she'd see it, but why bother doing that if she has no complaints?

I have a 6s and a friend has a 6 Plus. When I compared our phones, I could tell that his display was a bit more crisp than mine, so I understand the criticism that the XR has only 326 ppi and should have 401 ppi. I like the display of my 6s fine, but, sure, I'd rather have 401 ppi if I could. Still, it's not a big issue.

And, sure, I'd love to have an XS or XS Max, but 64GB is too little storage for me, and I refuse to part with $1150 for the 256GB model or even more for the XS Max. I have other financial priorities.

So I'm back to the XR. The display is a small annoyance, but when I'm checking the news or weather, listening to music or a podcast, texting or writing an email, I really don't think about it. I can buy a 128GB XR for $799, and its camera may top the X in areas where only one lens matters thanks to having, from what I've seen and read. The XR has the same A12 chip that the XS and XS Max have.

No, the display won't be as dazzling, but the primary reasons I've stayed with iPhones are that Apple has great customer service, the phones are quality and last, they get timely iOS updates, and, most importantly, they nicely integrate with my 10.5" iPad Pro and my still-going-strong mid-2012 retina 15" MBP. Is the XR priced too high? Probably, just as the XS and XS Max are, too, in my opinion.