"It's not a phone, it's a Galaxy"

[Andres Cantu]

You fail to see the bigger picture. Samsung is more focused on it's mobile brand at the moment. Trying to meet sales for it's flagship phones is most likely just a short term goal to level share prices. Q4 is about to start soon along with the holiday season. This kind of promotion only makes sense.

T-mobile and Samsung are basically allies like AT&T and Apple were. T-mobile is the only one of the 4 big carriers offering one free year of Netflix. That not desperation, that's being smart.

Big or small picture, the fact is that Samsung's market share has been falling for quite some time. The new design from the Galaxy flagships was supposed to be the hero feature the company desperately needed but failed to be reason enough for people to buy and/or switch to Samsung phones.

On top of that, they fail to realize that the mid-range Android market is where Android is heading. People are starting to realize that Samsung phones are always heavily discounted after a couple of months to be able to compete with Apple and are also starting to realize that mid-range Android phones such as Motorolas are more than powerful enough to do the job.

 

[Truefan31]

I think samsungs issue is more with other android oems than Apple. Apple has its market down pat with iOS. Phones like the one plus 2 and moto x and the vast amount of cheaper android handsets make it harder for Samsung to sell their flagships.

Also, too many handsets like usual. Less than a year you have a s6, s6 edge, s6 active, note 5, s6 edge plus, then by rumors another galaxy, the s7.

 

[Andres Cantu]

I think samsungs issue is more with other android oems than Apple. Apple has its market down pat with iOS. Phones like the one plus 2 and moto x and the vast amount of cheaper android handsets make it harder for Samsung to sell their flagships.

Also, too many handsets like usual. Less than a year you have a s6, s6 edge, s6 active, note 5, s6 edge plus, then by rumors another galaxy, the s7.

You make the point that I wish others (including Samsung) would see (just for the sake of making smart business decisions, not because I like them). Apple is not their main enemy, they'll never be able to beat them because Apple has a one-of-a-kind community along with being the innovators behind multi-touch, which literally created the industry as it is now (there's no arguing that). They need to realize that the other OEMs have their targets set on Samsung, not on Apple (because unlike Samsung, they know better).

You also make the great point of handset consolidation. They should do the following next year: Galaxy S7 (with an edge as the standard model, too bad, suck up the cost), Galaxy Note 6 (also with an edge standard), a mid-range Galaxy phone that can stack up to Motorola's offerings, and a low-budget Galaxy phone that can also stack up to Motorola's offerings. That is literally all they need, no need for edge or no edge, active, mini, plus, nothing.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Big or small picture, the fact is that Samsung's market share has been falling for quite some time. The new design from the Galaxy flagships was supposed to be the hero feature the company desperately needed but failed to be reason enough for people to buy and/or switch to Samsung phones.

That's due to other manufacturers. Since 2012, both Samsung's and Apple's mobile market share has dropped. So does your logic apply to Apple as well?



Apple has only gained a slight recovery by introducing the 6 Plus. But worldwide, other manufacturers combined are becoming a challenge for both Samsung and Apple.

On top of that, they fail to realize that the mid-range Android market is where Android is heading. People are starting to realize that Samsung phones are always heavily discounted after a couple of months to be able to compete with Apple and are also starting to realize that mid-range Android phones such as Motorolas are more than powerful enough to do the job.

If Apple phones ran on Android, they would still be the top OEM market share in America based mainly on Apple's brand. Building it's mobile brand is what Samsung is focusing on.

While your saying Samsung is failing, Samsung is becoming more and more of a household name. Holding the title of having the best camera on a phone, best display on a phone, and etc, is making Samsung a household name. My grandmother, who's lost on anything technology even knows that there is an iPhone and a Galaxy. Name any other brand and she's completely clueless. This is exactly what Samsung wants. Make yourself noticed, become a household name in the mobile business, then when you do introduce "the next big thing" (like folding displays), consumers will have trust and comfort for the known mobile brand.

Also, in America and most other westernized countries. People want the latest and the greatest, this is why Samsung doesn't have to worry much about cheaper Android OEMs hurt their flagship sales much.

 

[grkm3]

I have no idea why Samsung does not push gear vr on people.

I would bet money if I walked up to any random kid waiting to get a new iPhone and asked him to try the gear vr he would be blown away.

Every single one of my friends droped a couple hundred f bombs after trying it and every single one of them that had an iPhone asked if they could get it on there phone lol

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I have no idea why Samsung does not push gear vr on people.

I would bet money if I walked up to any random kid waiting to get a new iPhone and asked him to try the gear vr he would be blown away.

Every single one of my friends droped a couple hundred f bombs after trying it and every single one of them that had an iPhone asked if they could get it on there phone lol

Well the $99 price for the new one being released will surely help.

LOL @ F bombs ......It's that good?

 

[Andres Cantu]

That's due to other manufacturers. Since 2012, both Samsung's and Apple's mobile market share has dropped. So does your logic apply to Apple as well?

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Apple has only gained a slight recovery by introducing the 6 Plus. But worldwide, other manufacturers combined are becoming a challenge for both Samsung and Apple.






If Apple phones ran on Android, they would still be the top OEM market share in America based mainly on Apple's brand. Building it's mobile brand is what Samsung is focusing on.

While your saying Samsung is failing, Samsung is becoming more and more of a household name. Holding the title of having the best camera on a phone, best display on a phone, and etc, is making Samsung a household name. My grandmother, who's lost on anything technology even knows that there is an iPhone and a Galaxy. Name any other brand and she's completely clueless. This is exactly what Samsung wants. Make yourself noticed, become a household name in the mobile business, then when you do introduce "the next big thing" (like folding displays), consumers will have trust and comfort for the known mobile brand.

Also, in America and most other westernized countries. People want the latest and the greatest, this is why Samsung doesn't have to worry much about cheaper Android OEMs hurt their flagship sales much.

While I agree that "Galaxy" is a brand, it's not the same as the "iPhone" brand. You can own a "Galaxy" device that is worth $99 and you cannot compare that to a "Galaxy" device that is worth $649 (that would be the "Galaxy S" brand). On the other hand, all "iPhones" at one point or another were worth $649. The "iPhone" brand is obviously much stronger for that reason (among others such as almost being ten years old).

I don't know how you're looking at that chart, but I see Samsung's market share falling since the Galaxy S3. Apple's market share did fall due to their stubbornness on small screens, but has been growing since the iPhone 6 and will most likely continue to do so with the iPhone 6s.

 

[Andres Cantu]

I have no idea why Samsung does not push gear vr on people.

I would bet money if I walked up to any random kid waiting to get a new iPhone and asked him to try the gear vr he would be blown away.

Every single one of my friends droped a couple hundred f bombs after trying it and every single one of them that had an iPhone asked if they could get it on there phone lol

My guess is that kids would not make Samsung sell more Gear VR-capable phones. I don't think the average parent would buy their kid a Galaxy S6 and a Gear VR, that would be too much money.

We'll have to wait until next year to see how virtual reality plays out.

 

[pdqgp]

Force touch is probably the best few feature on the iphone right now. Where is androids version if Apple copied it.

My Note 3 and 5 have had this feature implemented in a slightly different way. Notes can sense pressure darken the pen line with greater pressure.




We already have true right-click button in most every application.




We have also had a hover and peak and pop type feature when using the stylus on emails, texts, photos.





We don't need to hover and peak into a web site as we can do both at the same time with multitasking.




The difference is in how Apple implemented it vs Samsung. I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung looks at the market response to what Apples version is and then just open it up across all the devices even without using a stylus. All it is, is basically a right click menu which again, Samsung pretty much already has. Not sure about other Android phones.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

While I agree that "Galaxy" is a brand, it's not the same as the "iPhone" brand. You can own a "Galaxy" device that is worth $99 and you cannot compare that to a "Galaxy" device that is worth $649 (that would be the "Galaxy S" brand). On the other hand, all "iPhones" at one point or another were worth $649. The "iPhone" brand is obviously much stronger for that reason (among others such as almost being ten years old).

Why would anyone compare a $99 Galaxy to a $649 iPhone? It's not like a brand has to be a "flagship only" or "high tiered" device to be a top brand.

Apple on the other hand has proven, they can't sell the 5C at $450. It's like their branding is locked at top tiered only. That could hurt them if they ever found themselves in a seriously competitive situation. Which can easily happen every time a new tech innovation is released to the public.

I don't know how you're looking at that chart, but I see Samsung's market share falling since the Galaxy S3. Apple's market share did fall due to their stubbornness on small screens, but has been growing since the iPhone 6 and will most likely continue to do so with the iPhone 6s.

And what happens when they are stubborn again? What happens if the Galaxy S8 has a folding screen? You think every iPhone user is going to wait until 2020 to get the same?

 

[Andres Cantu]

My Note 3 and 5 have had this feature implemented in a slightly different way. Notes can sense pressure darken the pen line with greater pressure.




We already have true right-click button in most every application.




We have also had a hover and peak and pop type feature when using the stylus on emails, texts, photos.





We don't need to hover and peak into a web site as we can do both at the same time with multitasking.




The difference is in how Apple implemented it vs Samsung. I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung looks at the market response to what Apples version is and then just open it up across all the devices even without using a stylus. All it is, is basically a right click menu which again, Samsung pretty much already has. Not sure about other Android phones.

Those features are pretty neat, and I agree they were the first. The advantage Apple has is that you don't need a stylus or pen to do these things anymore, so you don't have to be taking it out and putting it back.

 

[pdqgp]

Those features are pretty neat, and I agree they were the first. The advantage Apple has is that you don't need a stylus or pen to do these things anymore, so you don't have to be taking it out and putting it back.

That's why I think it's just a matter of an update that Samsung makes them available without the stylus but rather just your finger. The pressure thing works when I write with my finger too so it can be done.

Shortcut wise, it's all just a matter of how it's done too. I use Nova Launcher but they aren't alone in allowing creative shortcuts.

1 Finger swipe up for my phone/dialer
2 Fingers up for my visual voicemail/voicemail
2 Taps brings up my text messages
1 Swipe down is my exchange email
Clockwise swirl my personal emails
Outward pinch my calendar
etc......

 

[Andres Cantu]

Why would anyone compare a $99 Galaxy to a $649 iPhone? It's not like a brand has to be a "flagship only" or "high tiered" device to be a top brand.

Apple on the other hand has proven, they can't sell the 5C at $450. It's like their branding is locked at top tiered only. That could hurt them if they ever found themselves in a seriously competitive situation. Which can easily happen every time a new tech innovation is released to the public.





And what happens when they are stubborn again? What happens if the Galaxy S8 has a folding screen? You think every iPhone user is going to wait until 2020 to get the same?

Yes, I agree Apple is locked at the high-end. But it's worked so far and has shown no signs of danger.

The Galaxy S8 could very well have a folding screen, but unless they can find a way to fold the components inside as well, what good will it do them? Plus, do you really think foldable screens is a more important innovation than what literally every customer is asking for (MUCH better battery life)? Whoever finds a way to double battery life and implements it first into their phones will have a huge advantage over others.

 

[Andres Cantu]

That's why I think it's just a matter of an update that Samsung makes them available without the stylus but rather just your finger. The pressure thing works when I write with my finger too so it can be done.

Shortcut wise, it's all just a matter of how it's done too. I use Nova Launcher but they aren't alone in allowing creative shortcuts.

1 Finger swipe up for my phone/dialer
2 Fingers up for my visual voicemail/voicemail
2 Taps brings up my text messages
1 Swipe down is my exchange email
Clockwise swirl my personal emails
Outward pinch my calendar
etc......

Yes, implementation will be key to 3D Touch. iOS 10 should give us the really interesting uses for it, much like Touch ID in iOS 8.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

My Note 3 and 5 have had this feature implemented in a slightly different way. Notes can sense pressure darken the pen line with greater pressure.




We already have true right-click button in most every application.




We have also had a hover and peak and pop type feature when using the stylus on emails, texts, photos.





We don't need to hover and peak into a web site as we can do both at the same time with multitasking.




The difference is in how Apple implemented it vs Samsung. I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung looks at the market response to what Apples version is and then just open it up across all the devices even without using a stylus. All it is, is basically a right click menu which again, Samsung pretty much already has. Not sure about other Android phones.

Well the S6 and S6 Edge has the same multitasking as the the Note line.

The S4 had the same type of hover and peak feature with your finger. Which they now took away from the S line.

I installed S Note on my S6 Edge and it works great with my finger, unfortunately not pressure sensitive.

 

[pdqgp]

Whoever finds a way to double battery life and implements it first into their phones will have a huge advantage over others.

I eliminated all Carrier Bloatware and many other apps that I'm forced to have on my phone yet don't use and I can easily get 24-36hrs out of my Note 5 even with moderate to heavy use.

I've had mine on for over 14hrs today with BT Connected to my Gear S and Location Services on and I have plenty of time left:

 

[Andres Cantu]

I eliminated all Carrier Bloatware and many other apps that I'm forced to have on my phone yet don't use and I can easily get 24-36hrs out of my Note 5 even with moderate to heavy use.

I've had mine on for over 14hrs today with BT Connected to my Gear S and Location Services on and I have plenty of time left:

That's pretty good! They should advertise that battery life in a way that people could compare to other phones.

I'm still expecting a new kind of battery technology that could make smartphones last for a week without charging. That kind of battery life would create so much buzz!

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Yes, I agree Apple is locked at the high-end. But it's worked so far and has shown no signs of danger.

Apple, of course not.

But the iPhone, who knows? I personally think things can change at any given moment.

The Galaxy S8 could very well have a folding screen, but unless they can find a way to fold the components inside as well, what good will it do them?

Fold the components? Have you seen Samsung's prototypes?

Plus, do you really think foldable screens is a more important innovation than what literally every customer is asking for (MUCH better battery life)? Whoever finds a way to double battery life and implements it first into their phones will have a huge advantage over others.

http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-doubles-lithium-battery-capacity-620330/

Researchers at Samsung Electronics announced yesterday that they have developed a new technology to produce a silicon cathode material that coats Graphene onto a silicon surface for higher energy density. In other words, Samsung has found a way to almost double the capacity of lithium batteries, which are used to power smartphones and various other gadgets.

 

[Andres Cantu]

Apple, of course not.

But the iPhone, who knows? I personally think things can change at any given moment.



Fold the components? Have you seen Samsung's prototypes?





http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-doubles-lithium-battery-capacity-620330/

Two key words: "prototype" and "implements".

You're right, if Samsung can use that technology to give their phones a week of battery life and advertise it, the buzz it creates should translate into big sales.

 

[Fthree]

yeah they have wireless charging BUT the same laggy blocky android apps.

I could really care less about wireless charging when i have an iPhone that functions perfectly every time i turn it on.

 

[Truefan31]

That's due to other manufacturers. Since 2012, both Samsung's and Apple's mobile market share has dropped. So does your logic apply to Apple as well?

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Apple has only gained a slight recovery by introducing the 6 Plus. But worldwide, other manufacturers combined are becoming a challenge for both Samsung and Apple.






If Apple phones ran on Android, they would still be the top OEM market share in America based mainly on Apple's brand. Building it's mobile brand is what Samsung is focusing on.

While your saying Samsung is failing, Samsung is becoming more and more of a household name. Holding the title of having the best camera on a phone, best display on a phone, and etc, is making Samsung a household name. My grandmother, who's lost on anything technology even knows that there is an iPhone and a Galaxy. Name any other brand and she's completely clueless. This is exactly what Samsung wants. Make yourself noticed, become a household name in the mobile business, then when you do introduce "the next big thing" (like folding displays), consumers will have trust and comfort for the known mobile brand.

Also, in America and most other westernized countries. People want the latest and the greatest, this is why Samsung doesn't have to worry much about cheaper Android OEMs hurt their flagship sales much.

Samsung is already a household name. They've been in mobile way longer than Apple and are in many other things. It's silly to think they're ok with not selling more of their phones. They're latest moves mirror Apple business moves. They want to be profitable like any other company. They're reporting lower than expected quarter again. I'm sure they're not satisfied with that just because they're a household name or they have some scheme to try to blow the door off the industry with supposed foldable displays.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Samsung is already a household name. They've been in mobile way longer than Apple and are in many other things. It's silly to think they're ok with not selling more of their phones. They're latest moves mirror Apple business moves. They want to be profitable like any other company. They're reporting lower than expected quarter again. I'm sure they're not satisfied with that just because they're a household name or they have some scheme to try to blow the door off the industry with supposed foldable displays.

Samsung has only recently become an household name in the Smartphone market in westernized countries. Read my post again to see what I'm referring to.

 

[Truefan31]

Samsung has only recently become an household name in the Smartphone market in westernized countries. Read my post again to see what I'm referring to.

I still disagree. And your chart shows a steeper decline for Samsung, 11% over 3 year period, while Apple had about a 3% decline in the same period.

Nothing lasts forever but it's really absurd to think Samsung is ok with lower earnings every quarter oh but they're building a household name which they already had.

 

[Andres Cantu]

I still disagree. And your chart shows a steeper decline for Samsung, 11% over 3 year period, while Apple had about a 3% decline in the same period.

Nothing lasts forever but it's really absurd to think Samsung is ok with lower earnings every quarter oh but they're building a household name which they already had.

I also don't think Samsung is ok with lower earnings. I mean, what company would be?

They really need to listen to their customers and not just say in their presentations that they're listening to their customers when they're not really doing so. Bring back that micro SD card slot and that removable back cover. It's what their fans are asking for. I guess now Samsung fans know that Apple fans feel like when they ask Apple for better battery life and not get it

 

[pdqgp]

hey really need to listen to their customers.....Bring back that micro SD card slot and that removable back cover. It's what their fans are asking for.

and I'm sure you've heard the old saying that had Henry Ford asked early customers what they wanted they would have said a faster horse. I'm paraphrasing the saying but it holds true here.

Reality is the battery on the Note 5 is impressive and there's no need to swap it. Add in wireless and super fast charging and it's really not needed.

SD Card wise, I was resistant at first, but then I started to see how little I needed it and realized that it's not necessary. I have over 700 songs on my phone, several movies, nearly 5,000 contacts/customers - way too many really....and I still have over 36gb of free space on my 64mb phone.

I have really no need to keep my photos there as mine syncs to Google and my own WDMyCloud at home at the same time. YMMV though.