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grkm3

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The thing that gets me when they compare devices is that the iPhone technically has less of everything, yet still holds its own. It's just a dual core, only 2GB RAM, yet still hitting similar marks.

I do like Android, I love my Note 3. However, it's running a ROM that's getting it to the best potential. So much redundancy, underclocking their own processors, clustered updates that can't be sustained.

I like iPhone and Android but for a phone that works to full potential right out of the box, that goes to iPhone. With a good ROM and the right tweaks, Android can easily speed ahead.

The question is, do most people mod devices like I do? No, probably not...

not sure what your getting at.My gs6 is on stock rom and runs perfect out the box.My responce was about the early leaked a9 that got a little lower results then a few members and I was only saying runs can fluctuate easily
 

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not sure what your getting at.My gs6 is on stock rom and runs perfect out the box.My responce was about the early leaked a9 that got a little lower results then a few members and I was only saying runs can fluctuate easily

That's what I mean, it's not just this a9. The fluctuations and inconsistencies aren't the fault of hardware. It's that some companies like Samsung are putting software that isn't always optimized for performance.

They are also limiting the ability more with each device and each software update they lock down.

This is just my feelings on it.
 

Andres Cantu

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I have geek bench runs of my gs6 from 1380 single core to 1570 single core and multi bench runs from 4300 to 5570

They do fluctuate based on a lot of things.heck having the phone battery under 30% makes a difference just from the heat the lipo pack makes draining it.

Here is my phone on a decent run to prove my point.there is also optimization in the OS from the time the leaked runs were made that could easily add a few hundred point multi scrore as well.

You do know it was done on a beta ios 9 right? I'm sure you have seen the new exynos leaks that just came out but if you haven't a known credible leaker just posted

2304 single score and 8038 multi score for the upcoming exynos 8890 aka m1

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You do make a good point. The fluctuation in points for the GS6 proves that Android phones are not good at keeping their maximum frequency for long periods of time the way the A8 can. iOS devices never have big fluctuations like that.

Even if that 8,000 Geekbench score is real, we have to wait for accurate benchmarks (and see fluctuations, not just the highest possible score) to see how the GS7 will perform (if it does not go with the Snapdragon 820). All of this makes me excited to see the A10's Geekbench score if it moves to a triple-core design like the A8X did. At least Apple and Samsung are putting Intel to shame, and we haven't even seen what the A9X is capable of.
 

grkm3

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You do make a good point. The fluctuation in points for the GS6 proves that Android phones are not good at keeping their maximum frequency for long periods of time the way the A8 can. iOS devices never have big fluctuations like that.

Even if that 8,000 Geekbench score is real, we have to wait for accurate benchmarks (and see fluctuations, not just the highest possible score) to see how the GS7 will perform (if it does not go with the Snapdragon 820). All of this makes me excited to see the A10's Geekbench score if it moves to a triple-core design like the A8X did. At least Apple and Samsung are putting Intel to shame, and we haven't even seen what the A9X is capable of.

The Android scrores will fluctuate not because of throttling as much but from the way the kernel schduler runs the cores and threads depending on load etc.if you force the governor to max performance it will rock all 8 cores at full clocks(and also eat your battery) it has a huge margin on multi core because every time you bench it the bench will get divided up differently across all 8 cores and they are always adjust there clocks on the fly.

The way the stock kernel runs its always looking for max performance AND max power efficiency to give you the best bang for buck at any power plane.

So when geekbench is running the gs6 at the kernel is always adjusting the load and core voltages to give the best of both worlds.

It's called big little and its always dynamically adjusting on the fly.Samsung got caught running the governor on max performance when a benchmark was detected and won't do that again lol.it technically didn't cheat because the CPU and gpu clocks were never higher then advertised but it primed all the cores at the kernel to run full blast without dynamically adjusting like they would in real day to day tasks.

You also can't directly compare ios geekbench to Android.Android is running in a virtual machine mode.its literally almost emulating the whole file system and for that you can't directly compare to ios.

Put it this way,the gs6 on ios would break records and would literally fly

I just got 73k in antutu and wonder what the 6s gets in that bench.
 
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The Android scrores will fluctuate not because of throttling as much but from the way the kernel schduler runs the cores and threads depending on load etc.if you force the governor to max performance it will rock all 8 cores at full clocks(and also eat your battery) it has a huge margin on multi core because every time you bench it the bench will get divided up differently across all 8 cores and they are always adjust there clocks on the fly.

The way the stock kernel runs its always looking for max performance AND max power efficiency to give you the best bang for buck at any power plane.

So when geekbench is running the gs6 at the kernel is always adjusting the load and core voltages to give the best of both worlds.

It's called big little and its always dynamically adjusting on the fly.Samsung got caught running the governor on max performance when a benchmark was detected and won't do that again lol.it technically didn't cheat because the CPU and gpu clocks were never higher then advertised but it primed all the cores at the kernel to run full blast without dynamically adjusting like they would in real day to day tasks.

You also can't directly compare ios geekbench to Android.Android is running in a virtual machine mode.its literally almost emulating the whole file system and for that you can't directly compare to ios.

Put it this way,the gs6 on ios would break records and would literally fly

I just got 73k in antutu and wonder what the 6s gets in that bench.
While a hypothetical scenario, it would be interesting to see the results. I'm just glad that there is still one competitor (Samsung's Exynos) that can push Apple to design the best A-chips they can, since Qualcomm completely dropped the ball this year and have a lot of catching up to do. By the time they release the Snapdragon 820, the next Exynos will be here and not much longer afterwards the A10.
 

Dmaynard83

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You hit the nail in the head! That's EXACTLY how I feel about Samsung, especially when that kid gets away with it!

I would continue that analogy by saying that even though the kid might have gotten away with it a couple of times, he never learned anything and the lack of knowledge caught up to him and failed his classes.

Yep.

Or also the kid that waits to see what the "cool" kids will wear and proceeds to wear what they wear. Never a trend setter, just a follower.
 

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Yep.

Or also the kid that waits to see what the "cool" kids will wear and proceeds to wear what they wear. Never a trend setter, just a follower.
I think the first analogy suits Samsung better while the second one suits the other Android OEMs. Although I will admit Apple has done the same a couple of times, but it turned out for the better. Plus they were (and still are) the "cool" kids :)
 

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Yep.

Or also the kid that waits to see what the "cool" kids will wear and proceeds to wear what they wear. Never a trend setter, just a follower.
yep....and people wonder why Apple fans get called "snobs" a lot of the time.
Then look at how Apple follows the trend Android Oems started with larger screens.
Apple is not a trend setter......they take other peoples ideas and features and re-brand them as their own.
 
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yep....and people wonder why Apple fans get called "snobs" a lot of the time.
Then look at how Apple follows the trend Android Oems started with larger screens.
Apple is not a trend setter......they take other peoples ideas and features and re-brand them as their own.
Kind of like Android did with multitouch?
 

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I think the first analogy suits Samsung better while the second one suits the other Android OEMs. Although I will admit Apple has done the same a couple of times, but it turned out for the better. Plus they were (and still are) the "cool" kids :)
The funny thing is these companies tease each other with their marketing but the image of each is pretty much set in stone. Apple is a 'cool' brand and Samsung is a well known and popular brand but with a totally different public perception. Both make superb devices, however the iPhone has developed a cult status through its clever marketing/popularity and this has meant it's at the forefront of desirable devices. This could be damaged should they ever produce a lemon but that is yet to be seen. At the moment it is something Samsung are unable to compete with regardless of whether their devices have comparable build quality and better specs on paper. The iPhone is popular because it deserves to be I suppose.
 

jamezr

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Kind of like Android did with multitouch?
Kinda like Apple did with the the iPhone and iCloud names.....
Kinda like like they did with copy paste......The new 3d touch existed before the iPhone 6s too.....
Larger screens on iPhones...
wait for it.......the iPad Pro? Oh yeah Samsung had that first too. Samsung has had a 12 inch tablet for years.

Then there was the iPad Mini.....yep Android was first. Oh wait didn't Apple say they would never make a smaller tablet only to copy the market and make one anyway?


Bottom line...they ALL copy from each other.
 

GadgetSN

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If 3d touch is already available why is it not on our phones? Where can I use the 3d touch on my Sony devices or my Note 4? Not saying Apple hasnt copied it from somewhere (where have they copied it? Serious question) but you can bet their implementation of it will force Samsung and Sony etc to have it on their next phones.

As for Samsungs large pro tablet, this doesn't really exist because it is junk. Therefore Apples tablet will likely be considered the first proper large tablet.

Yes they all copy each other but Apple sets the standards when they enter. Look at the SmartWatch for example.
 

jamezr

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If 3d touch is already available why is it not on our phones? Where can I use the 3d touch on my Sony devices or my Note 4? Not saying Apple hasnt copied it from somewhere (where have they copied it? Serious question) but you can bet their implementation of it will force Samsung and Sony etc to have it on their next phones.

As for Samsungs large pro tablet, this doesn't really exist because it is junk. Therefore Apples tablet will likely be considered the first proper large tablet.

Yes they all copy each other but Apple sets the standards when they enter. Look at the SmartWatch for example.
Oh...double standard.........they all copy eachother but if Apple copies then its ok because they do it better? Don't care much for facts do ya......

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3D Touch functionality has existed.....of course it was not called that but it still existed.
There is a whole thread here on MR about.
 

GadgetSN

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The fact is is that when Apple does something it does it better. FACT. No double standards there.

Force touch is probably the best few feature on the iphone right now. Where is androids version if Apple copied it. Who did they copy it from. To me and probably to most they pioneered it because I dont know any other phone that has 3d touch and Im a gadget enthusiast who has bought nearly all flagship phones.
 
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jamezr

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The fact is is that when Apple does something it does it better. FACT. No double standards there.

Force touch is probably the best few feature on the iphone right now. Where is androids version if Apple copied it. Who did they copy it from. To me and probably to most they pioneered it because I dont know who has 3d touch and Im a gadget enthusiast.
No...it's only a fact to you........... big difference. You don't know because you not an informed gadget enthusiast.
You have blinders on when it comes to Apple.
 

GadgetSN

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No.. I respect Apple. I actually dislike Apple products and rarely use mine. I just dont have an unconditional love for a brand or model because I have bought it like most on here. I have already stated I dislike IOS and think the iphone 6 is the ugliest iphone to date after the 3gs.

Having owned most Samsung tablets I know how bad they really are. Not averagely bad but truely awful.
 
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jamezr

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No.. I respect Apple. I actually dislike Apple products and rarely use mine.
what you posted here says otherwise.......... go back read what you wrote and the tone that came across. whether you intended it or not it came off as fanboyish.
Hey I am a big gadget guy.......i have had more phones than most. But also have a special place for iPhones. I have had everyone of them. But I also call it as I see it.
All OEMs copy from each other....saying when Apple does it...they do it better is believing all the hype.
Just finished setting up my new iPhone 6s Plus.
3D Touch........is going to take some time to get used to. Long pressing on icons on my screen brings up the little "x" to delete apps.

tested Hey Siri (didn't Google voice activated always listening digital assistant first and considered to be the industry best?) and she got it wrong 3 out of 5 times.
 
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The fact is is that when Apple does something it does it better. FACT. No double standards there.

Force touch is probably the best few feature on the iphone right now. Where is androids version if Apple copied it. Who did they copy it from. To me and probably to most they pioneered it because I dont know any other phone that has 3d touch and Im a gadget enthusiast who has bought nearly all flagship phones.
Huawei Mate S has 3D Touch if I am not mistaken.

Apple certainly did not do a phablet better, the Note series still offer better One Hand usage options, and despite larger displays remain smaller than the 6 Plus and 6S Plus.

The iPad Pro Apple Pencil requires plugging the Pencil in while the Note series have a sylo that wirelessly charges the SPen and reminds you if you leave it by mistake.

NFC, lol, I am not even going to bother, Apple has a long way to go.

Widgets, again, Apple did not implement these in the brilliant way Android has.

So, NO, it is not a fact that when Apple does it they do it better, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
 

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T-mobile and Samsung are very aggressive, and it's worked out well for both companies and their consumers. That doesn't equal desperation.
There's a difference between aggression and desperation. Aggression is like T-Mobile's Uncarrier campaign. Their moves are bold and work. Desperation is like Sprint who announces something, waits for T-Mobiles response, revises its offerings, and nobody cares ($1 per month iPhone).

Samsung falls in the latter because their moves are not working. If they were, they wouldn't be doing all these things and they would be boasting about sales numbers.

The truth hurts, doesn't it Samsung?
 

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There's a difference between aggression and desperation. Aggression is like T-Mobile's Uncarrier campaign. Their moves are bold and work. Desperation is like Sprint who announces something, waits for T-Mobiles response, revises its offerings, and nobody cares ($1 per month iPhone).

Samsung falls in the latter because their moves are not working. If they were, they wouldn't be doing all these things and they would be boasting about sales numbers.

The truth hurts, doesn't it Samsung?

You fail to see the bigger picture. Samsung is more focused on it's mobile brand at the moment. Trying to meet sales for it's flagship phones is most likely just a short term goal to level share prices. Q4 is about to start soon along with the holiday season. This kind of promotion only makes sense.

T-mobile and Samsung are basically allies like AT&T and Apple were. T-mobile is the only one of the 4 big carriers offering one free year of Netflix. That not desperation, that's being smart.
 
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