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Andres Cantu

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lol...see this post below.
New faster iPhone and let get it benchmarked to show everyone how much faster the new iPhone is. Then when someone beats it......well benchmarks do not matter anyway
I disagree. Benchmarks do not matter for speed comparisons between different operating systems, but they do matter for many who like to have the highest-scoring devices.
 
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Did you not watch the apple key note? The whole thing was nothing but specs in your face the whole time.
I have better things to do with my evenings than watch companies perform their annual puff pieces on how great a device is.

I might own an iPhone mate but thats as far as it goes. Real world use, services and hands on reviews are what sells it to me.
 

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That "leaked" score is yet to be proven. Why don't you mention that their "scores" for the Apple A9 were much lower than the actual ones? Obviously they are made up, just like the Mongoose scores from the same chart. On top of that, Samsung might gone back to Qualcomm, and we all know how they're doing.

Geekbench comparisons will never be fair until Samsung releases an SX phone in the Fall like Apple.

The same chart had a9 in the 2100 range
 

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I disagree. Benchmarks do not matter for speed comparisons between different operating systems, but they do matter for many who like to have the highest-scoring devices.
I disagree. They do matter. Even during the keynote address for the new iPhone they mentioned all the specs and how much faster it is then previous models. They only get this information from benchmarks.
Then if you want to get a new phone....why would you want to get a slow phone?
Or lets say...great phone but the battery underperforms in comparative benchmarks....oh yeah People will rush out to get that phone. /s
 

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I disagree. Benchmarks do not matter for speed comparisons between different operating systems, but they do matter for many who like to have the highest-scoring devices.

But they only matter on iPhone when the iPhone is the top dog of the food chain right?

Listen apple somehow is always first to use arms next gen instruction set(you know the people they license there architecture)they did it first with the 64bit set and are doing it now again with there latest custom version of the a72 instruction set.that architecture that apple is using from arm...I know its a custom version bla bla I don't want to get into pipe line dept and fetch and decode etc but that base architecture is 40-50% faster clock for clock and more efficient then the last gen set used in the gs6,note 5 etc.

Apple just has perfect timing to be the first to use it and the fans are loving its performance so far.I can only imagine what's going on over at apple insider with apples a9 monster single core performance. It's like a holiday over in the other thread.

Now in a few months when all the top players use that same new base instruction set the iPhone will be left in the dust like it always had and people will again say specs don't matter.
 

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The same chart had a9 in the 2100 range
Oh, you know, only 200 points off for single-core score and 800 for multi-core score. Not very reliable if you ask me.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Mongoose's scores were much lower than those "leaked" scores.
 
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But they only matter on iPhone when the iPhone is the top dog of the food chain right?

Listen apple somehow is always first to use arms next gen instruction set(you know the people they license there architecture)they did it first with the 64bit set and are doing it now again with there latest custom version of the a72 instruction set.that architecture that apple is using from arm...I know its a custom version bla bla I don't want to get into pipe line dept and fetch and decode etc but that base architecture is 40-50% faster clock for clock and more efficient then the last gen set used in the gs6,note 5 etc.

Apple just has perfect timing to be the first to use it and the fans are loving its performance so far.I can only imagine what's going on over at apple insider with apples a9 monster single core performance. It's like a holiday over in the other thread.

Now in a few months when all the top players use that same new base instruction set the iPhone will be left in the dust like it always had and people will again say specs don't matter.
Until the A10 comes along and starts the cycle all over again ;)
 

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Well the ads look identical and it's very Apple inspired. It's a point that has been mentioned here and in the wild.

Not sure what the useless Rodgers has to do with it.
Sorry, but everyone outside Liverpool thinks Rodgers is doing a great job !
 

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I don't see Samsung ever reaching #1 in the U.S. It will be an iPhone country for a long time no matter how much Samsung pays celebrities to use Samsung phones on TV only to watch them revert back to their iPhones in real life.

If Samsung is strange, Apple is just as comical too. Only fanboys really might care about every little thing they do. Hardcore phone fans can care about obscurity and be content with whatever brands or OSes since the difference between high reviews vs 7's isn't as big as it seems. It is similar to movies. Alot of overrated movies aren't that much better or entertaining than badly reviewed ones. Would anyone prefer watching like 80% of Best Picture winners over something like Tron: Legacy? Anything universally acclaimed and popular can be considered overrated. I know some who loathe The Beatles and The Godfather.

Me personally likes LG, Xiaomi, Meizu, ZTE, and Nokia but others can trash them. Actually my perfect budget phone is the design of Lumia 730/735 with a flagship camera and Android on it. Apple and Samsung is the Nintendo vs SEGA for smartphones. Apple is more strict but about quality like Nintendo was. Samsung is a little more innovative, willing to take chances but can act like a guinea pig like SEGA was. Maybe in 20 years, BOTH will still be relevant or not. Motorola had decades being on top.

Obviously, iPhones is Apple's biggest business. In other venues, not so much. The iMacs got the ball rolling but they didn't hit true mainstream until the more affordable iPod minis and iTunes being available to Windows around 2003-2004. To me, iTunes is the real linchpin to Apple's successful ecosystem. Without it, people wouldn't be so invested or locked into them. Samsung has only been relevant for a decade in TV's and SoC's and half that with smartphones.

No perfect company. Whatever minor inconvenience or compromise prevents perfection. If Samsung DEFINES innovation, Apple REFINES it. But a perfect system? Nah just like in any medium with film, music, and literature. A perfect something should please everyone. But 7 BILLION people out there don't always have the same taste or defines beauty or perfection the same way.

OT, but I'm not into Samsung anymore after my relatives $4,000 TV broke after six years and Samsung wants $1,700 to replace the panel. I don't find their prices justifies their quality that a less popular brand could do. I could still buy Samsung products depending on its quality but I don't trust the brand as much. They are becoming the new Sony of this century. If they fall, I wouldn't miss them. Same applies to Apple since I don't miss Nintendo in the console wars. But I do miss the old Nokia... :*(
 
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Andres Cantu

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I don't see Samsung ever reaching #1 in the U.S. It will be an iPhone country for a long time no matter how much Samsung pays celebrities to use Samsung phones on TV only to watch them revert back to their iPhones in real life.

If Samsung is strange, Apple is just as comical too. Only fanboys really might care about every little thing they do. Hardcore phone fans can care about obscurity and be content with whatever brands or OSes since the difference between high reviews vs 7's isn't as big as it seems. It is similar to movies. Alot of overrated movies aren't that much better or entertaining than badly reviewed ones. Would anyone prefer watching like 80% of Best Picture winners over something like Tron: Legacy? Anything universally acclaimed and popular can be considered overrated. I know some who loathe The Beatles and The Godfather.

Me personally likes LG, Xiaomi, Meizu, ZTE, and Nokia but others can trash them. Actually my perfect budget phone is the design of Lumia 730/735 with a flagship camera and Android on it. Apple and Samsung is the Nintendo vs SEGA for smartphones. Apple is more strict but about quality like Nintendo was. Samsung is a little more innovative, willing to take chances but can act like a guinea pig like SEGA was. Maybe in 20 years, BOTH will still be relevant or not. Motorola had decades being on top.

Obviously, iPhones is Apple's biggest business. In other venues, not so much. The iMacs got the ball rolling but they didn't hit true mainstream until the more affordable iPod minis and iTunes being available to Windows around 2003-2004. To me, iTunes is the real linchpin to Apple's successful ecosystem. Without it, people wouldn't be so invested or locked into them. Samsung has only been relevant for a decade in TV's and SoC's and half that with smartphones.

No perfect company. Whatever minor inconvenience or compromise prevents perfection. If Samsung DEFINES innovation, Apple REFINES it. But a perfect system? Nah just like in any medium with film, music, and literature. A perfect something should please everyone. But 7 BILLION people out there don't always have the same taste or defines beauty or perfection the same way.

OT, but I'm not into Samsung anymore after my relatives $4,000 TV broke after six years and Samsung wants $1,700 to replace the panel. I don't find their prices justifies their quality that a less popular brand could do. I could still buy Samsung products depending on its quality but I don't trust the brand as much. They are becoming the new Sony of this century. If they fall, I wouldn't miss them. Same applies to Apple since I don't miss Nintendo in the console wars. But I do miss the old Nokia... :*(
Those are some good analogies :)
 

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Samsung's marketing department hit a home run with these its not a phone its a galaxy ads.

Apple started it basically calling out Samsung that if its not an iPhone and its funny watching how but hurt ios users are getting.

These ads are excellent marketing and are doing exactly what there supposed to do.its even got an iPhone user posting in an alternative section about them on a apple forum.

It's not a phone! It's a galaxy!

Lossen up and relax a bit before you have a heart attack

Let's be honest right now...the edge is by far the best looking and sexiest phone out and you can't handle it lol.

It's a galaxy!!!!
I disagree they look like they just lack creativity.

Samsung reminds me of the kid at school who is always looking over your shoulder during a test.
 

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I disagree they look like they just lack creativity.

Samsung reminds me of the kid at school who is always looking over your shoulder during a test.
You hit the nail in the head! That's EXACTLY how I feel about Samsung, especially when that kid gets away with it!

I would continue that analogy by saying that even though the kid might have gotten away with it a couple of times, he never learned anything and the lack of knowledge caught up to him and failed his classes.
 

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They need to focus on the Android platforms strengths and market those instead of bash Apple making them look desperate and weak. Confidence in your product breeds success
 

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These market share numbers are meaningless stats.

Who the hell are Xiaomi and why do they have more than 1% let alone 5.6%. Its because they are bought in mass by the poorer people which represent most of the world's population. Likewise more people buy Samsung because more people in the world are poor (Samsung make alot of cheap junk models). Its nothing to do with popularity or good products. These cheaper phones have less margin and overall are less desirable sales for a business.

Its like the windows laptops/computers vs macs market share. The numbers will be like 80:20 in favour of windows. However, walk into any coffee shop in the world or areas where people use personal laptops and 99% will be macbooks. Look at the people around you next time you are on a train and 80% will have iphones.

Forget all the other brands. A more meaningful market share comparison would be Apple vs Note 5/edge plus/s6/edge vs Sony Z3/Z3+ vs Nexus. All others sales included in the numbers is just noise which is why you get those figures above. If Samsung were doing as well as those numbers imply, they would have given up copying Apples every move and would not be sacking people nor announcing drops in profits every quarter.. Has anyone mentioned Samsung is going to announce their own version of Apples upgrade programme?

In the western world, who actually buys a Huawei, Lenovo or Xaomi phone?

I hope you are never in the bracket you term as 'the poorer people' because I would hate for you not to be able to buy the latest iPhone or even worse actually have to mix with other members of 'the poorer people' and have to deal with it.
 

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If all they are bragging about is wireless charging, there are other devices out there with that. It's not like they've made it from scratch all revolutionary like.

At any rate, the Note 5 looks exactly like an iPhone and took away features I really liked on my Note 3.

They want to lease their Android cloned iPhone's with over inflated specs in attempts to woo the Apple crowd?

Samdung is on my poo poo list now.
 

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If all they are bragging about is wireless charging, there are other devices out there with that. It's not like they've made it from scratch all revolutionary like.

At any rate, the Note 5 looks exactly like an iPhone and took away features I really liked on my Note 3.

They want to lease their Android cloned iPhone's with over inflated specs in attempts to woo the Apple crowd?

Samdung is on my poo poo list now.

What a unique answer, it is not like other people with little imagination have come up with before.
 

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Oh, you know, only 200 points off for single-core score and 800 for multi-core score. Not very reliable if you ask me.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Mongoose's scores were much lower than those "leaked" scores.

I have geek bench runs of my gs6 from 1380 single core to 1570 single core and multi bench runs from 4300 to 5570

They do fluctuate based on a lot of things.heck having the phone battery under 30% makes a difference just from the heat the lipo pack makes draining it.

Here is my phone on a decent run to prove my point.there is also optimization in the OS from the time the leaked runs were made that could easily add a few hundred point multi scrore as well.

You do know it was done on a beta ios 9 right? I'm sure you have seen the new exynos leaks that just came out but if you haven't a known credible leaker just posted

2304 single score and 8038 multi score for the upcoming exynos 8890 aka m1

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I have geek bench runs of my gs6 from 1380 single core to 1570 single core and multi bench runs from 4300 to 5570

They do fluctuate based on a lot of things.heck having the phone battery under 30% makes a difference just from the heat the lipo pack makes draining it.

Here is my phone on a decent run to prove my point.there is also optimization in the OS from the time the leaked runs were made that could easily add a few hundred point multi scrore as well.

You do know it was done on a beta ios 9 right? I'm sure you have seen the new exynos leaks that just came out but if you haven't a known credible leaker just posted

2304 single score and 8038 multi score for the upcoming exynos 8890 aka m1

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The thing that gets me when they compare devices is that the iPhone technically has less of everything, yet still holds its own. It's just a dual core, only 2GB RAM, yet still hitting similar marks.

I do like Android, I love my Note 3. However, it's running a ROM that's getting it to the best potential. So much redundancy, underclocking their own processors, clustered updates that can't be sustained.

I like iPhone and Android but for a phone that works to full potential right out of the box, that goes to iPhone. With a good ROM and the right tweaks, Android can easily speed ahead.

The question is, do most people mod devices like I do? No, probably not...
 
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