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That Huawei phone was rushed out just to say that they were the first to have a force touch display, but come on, it doesn't even have haptic feedback and the software (according to the article) is like beta.
 

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Yeah it's weird, every single iPhone S upgrade has had Sammy rushing to compete it hit and failing.

3GS: By this time, the iPhone had basically solved all the shortcomings of the previous two iPhones. So this got Samsung to make a phone that could compete with this one. But they failed, the original Galaxy S wasn't a success for various reasons. This was somewhat solved with the next two releases, as the Galaxy S III is probably why the Galaxy is popular nowadays.
4S: In this year, the iPhone got Siri, which was supposed to be a helpful personal assistant. Samsung with the S III added S Voice, which I'm sure we can all agree was awful. Not much has changed, as S Voice still is rubbish, but they now have the great Google Now, which is far more useful.
5S: Of course I'm talking about Touch ID. The iPhone got this fingerprint scanner, then Samsung half a year later tried to compete with it, but failed, as they could not get any tap to scan technologies in that time period.
6S: This is just a prediction. The iPhone now has 3D Touch, which is supposed to make navigation a better experience in general. And that's a nice feature, so Samsung will have to make a competitor. So they will probably use the flexible AMOLED panel to detect pressure, but they will probably only make a few minor features to make use of it. That will probably be fixed in future TouchWiz versions, but I'll bet that when we see it at first, it will be badly implemented.

So yeah, if anybody ever tells you that Samsung are 2 years ahead of with technologies, tell them to do their research.
But they are hardware wise....the display, ufs storage, curved display, 4gb ram, etc

No one said Apple doesn't introduce unique features. One reason people copy Apple is becasue Apple is so popular. Htc out out an equivalent to live photos years ago...and it flopped. Apple does it and it will become a thing. Part of this is the implementation that Apple often achieves, but also Apple popularity.

Google does it well too. Google now, Android notifications, the upcoming Google on tap. Just a few examples.

Apple does great, but so do the other companies. Just because Apple is so popular, and has a great marketing strategy, doesn't mean they are ahead of everyone else tech wise. Quiet the opposite.
 

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. The iPhone now has 3D Touch, which is supposed to make navigation a better experience in general. And that's a nice feature, so Samsung will have to make a competitor.

They already have similar software running on the Note. The would just simply adapt it to a finger vs. Stylus. I can preview emails or text messages if I choose. I can also peek and pop a photo in a text too.

So they will probably use the flexible AMOLED panel to detect pressure,

Again they already have it. Writing with the Stylus changes with pressure. I can flare my signature and express dark lines just the same simply with pressure.

they will probably only make a few minor features to make use of it. That will probably be fixed in future TouchWiz versions,

Yep I would suspect that they will implement it without the need of a Stylus.

So yeah, if anybody ever tells you that Samsung are 2 years ahead of with technologies, tell them to do their research.

They patented the force touch like feature from sharp years ago. I have the details somewhere. They also implemented a Stylus years ago.

All force touch does is implement a secondary menu or action. Both of which Samsung already does with their note series. They do it with a Stylus but would just need to adapt it to a finger.
 
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What's your point? That phone isn't made by Samsung, and the article clearly mentions that Apple pioneered the consumer application of that technology anyways. If Samsung puts some variation of 3D Touch in their next Galaxy phone, do you really think they'll be doing so because of Huawei?

Apple pioneered it for them?
 

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Samsung did live photos on the gs4 also.they also were the first Android phone to use nfc pay on the galaxy nexus back in 2011? That phone was also my first phone that was lte and that was before the gs3 came out.

I remember reading posts here where people were saying 4g is a gimmick and no one would ever need that speed and bandwidth and it was a battery hog etc same as they say for uhd screens and how 4gb rams is a power hog
 

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Samsung did live photos on the gs4 also.they also were the first Android phone to use nfc pay on the galaxy nexus back in 2011? That phone was also my first phone that was lte and that was before the gs3 came out.

I remember reading posts here where people were saying 4g is a gimmick and no one would ever need that speed and bandwidth and it was a battery hog etc same as they say for uhd screens and how 4gb rams is a power hog
There's a difference between faster download speeds and higher resolution screens. The former will always be demanded (due to media consumption, data caps are another story) while we've reached the point were the latter is of virtually no use for humans (apart from the virtual reality niche). I'll ask again, would anyone really want an 8K screen on a phone? Our eyes just cannot tell the difference between a 1080p phone or a phone with either a 1440p, 2160p, 4320p display.

The "killer" feature will come in the form of much better battery life. Whoever gets there first will have all eyes on them.
 
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There's a difference between faster download speeds and higher resolution screens. The former will always be demanded (due to media consumption, data caps are another story) while we've reached the point were the latter is of virtually no use for humans (apart from the virtual reality niche). I'll ask again, would anyone really want an 8K screen on a phone? Our eyes just cannot tell the difference between a 1080p phone or a phone with either a 1440p, 2160p, 4320p display.

The "killer" feature will come in the form of much better battery life. Whoever gets there first will have all eyes on them.

Who said anything about 8k screens? Samsung is using a 2k screen and people can easily tell the difference over 1080p.

We actually just tested this at work the other day with a gs6 and iPhone 6+ and played a 4k slow motion video on YouTube of a moto gp bike and the detail on the gs6 was clearly visible to the naked eye. You could see the pebles on the ground and everyone agreed and could easily see the missing detail on the iPhone.

Go to Best buy and go to the Samsung booth and search 4k moto gp on YouTube and compare with an iPhone 6 plus.

Here is the video we used.fast forward to 40sec mark and use both phones in full screen mode.the gs6 destroys the 6plus in detail

 
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Who said anything about 8k screens? Samsung is using a 2k screen and people can easily tell the difference over 1080p.

We actually just tested this at work the other day with a gs6 and iPhone 6+ and played a 4k slow motion video on YouTube of a moto gp bike and the detail on the gs6 was clearly visible to the naked eye. You could see the pebles on the ground and everyone agreed and could easily see the missing detail on the iPhone.

Go to Best buy and go to the Samsung booth and search 4k moto gp on YouTube and compare with an iPhone 6 plus.

Here is the video we used

It's really a 2.5k display, but that's just terminology. The point I'm trying to make is that you know flagship Android phones will eventually all have 4k displays when in reality we don't need them. I'm not going to disagree that you can see more detail on the Galaxy S6, I believe that. I just don't agree with screens going any higher than 1080p due to faster battery life drainage.

I'm sure the iPhone will go 1080p and perhaps 1440p for the Plus next year, but it probably won't go any higher than that.
 

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It's really a 2.5k display, but that's just terminology. The point I'm trying to make is that you know flagship Android phones will eventually all have 4k displays when in reality we don't need them. I'm not going to disagree that you can see more detail on the Galaxy S6, I believe that. I just don't agree with screens going any higher than 1080p due to faster battery life drainage.

I'm sure the iPhone will go 1080p and perhaps 1440p for the Plus next year, but it probably won't go any higher than that.

You do realise that everything your saying was done before and it's the same old responses.just like 1080p was useless when sammy did it but now that apple has a 1080p screen it OK?

And they finally have a 12mp camera but I though mp was all bs and not needed? And every new screen from Samsung is using less power then the screen before it.

What is your response for when the iPhone 7s comes out and finally has 4k screen and 16mp camera?
 
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You do realise that everything your saying was done before and it's the same old responses.just like 1080p was useless when sammy did it but now that apple has a 1080p screen it OK?

And they finally have a 12mp camera but I though mp was all bs and not needed? And every new screen from Samsung is using less power then the screen before it.
Maybe same old responses from others, but not from me. I want a 1080p display in the iPhone 7 and I'm fine with 12MP but not any more that that. There's a reason why they waited until now to put 12MP on the iPhone. Had they done it earlier, it would have been the same story as all the other Android phones from two years ago and their poor low-light performance.

And while the screen might use less battery power, it still requires more GPU horsepower to power it. You can see how this impacts things such as gaming performance, or how detailed games can be (the higher the number of pixels, the less details developers can use because more GPU power is needed).
 

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Maybe same old responses from others, but not from me. I want a 1080p display in the iPhone 7 and I'm fine with 12MP but not any more that that. There's a reason why they waited until now to put 12MP on the iPhone. Had they done it earlier, it would have been the same story as all the other Android phones from two years ago and their poor low-light performance.

And while the screen might use less battery power, it still requires more GPU horsepower to power it. You can see how this impacts things such as gaming performance, or how detailed games can be (the higher the number of pixels, the less details developers can use because more GPU power is needed).

So the reason they waited was for low light pictures? Have you seen the pictures yet? What will you say if the old iPhone 6 takes better low light images? Are you also saying the 16mp in the gs5,note 3 and note 4 were not great shooters? I mean most review sites gave the nodge to those old 16mp sensors.

If the iPhone 6s doesn't have 2gb ram what is the reason for it? And when they go 3 or 4 will it somehow be different or better then when Samsung did it a few years earlier with no doubt the same exact ram chips used?

BTW gpus have also been getting more power efficient with each new soc and not one single game on Android is written in 2.5k most are 720p and just a handful are 1080p and the gpu SCALES the res up and is not pushing those crazy extra pixels.

Even the brand new sony phone with the 4k screen is rendering everything in 1080p and was confirmed with screen capture shots and checked the resolution. The phone will only display 4k when its called for,like when you decide to take a 4k picture or video and want to view it.

And games are def not running anywhere near that native res lol
 

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Maybe same old responses from others, but not from me. I want a 1080p display in the iPhone 7 and I'm fine with 12MP but not any more that that. There's a reason why they waited until now to put 12MP on the iPhone. Had they done it earlier, it would have been the same story as all the other Android phones from two years ago and their poor low-light performance.



The reason they went 12mp finally is because they needed to keep up with the 4k video demand and the fact that most new TV's are 4k capable. The market is going there. 4096 x 2160 or 4k requires a 16:9 image resolution of 8.8mp or in this case a rounded up 9mp's which happens to be what a 12mp 4:3 ratio sensor will yield. They did no more and no less and finally had to it. Samsung in the new S6 and Note 5 have the same 12mp image at the 4:3 resolution. If you look closely they advertise 16mp cameras but that's at a 16:9 ratio. Are they setting themselves up for 8k output? Perhaps. Perhaps they also are ahead of Apple in that most pics are displayed online not printed and the output format for such images is mostly 16:9. Why Apple is stuck at marketing 4:3 is a little dated.

The noise issues in low light from years past were due in part to the phones not having OIS. Now that they have OIS, the ISO amplification doesn't have to be as strong thus the images will be cleaner.
 
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Lol, Samsung is a funny company. Their hardware is top of the line, but their marketing department sucks ass nowadays. I remember the commercials they made about Apple having non-removable batteries, etc. then they go make the phones similar to the iPhone. Once Apple adds wireless charging next year, I wonder what they will say then?

Respect to Apple for not even responding to the 4904934 amount of Samsung ads they have put out about them.

To the best of my recollection Apple doesn’t ever mention the competitors in their ads, where their competitors usually mention Apple in theirs ;-)
 

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The reason they went 12mp finally is because they needed to keep up with the 4k video demand and the fact that most new TV's are 4k capable. The market is going there. 4096 x 2160 or 4k requires a 16:9 image resolution of 8.8mp or in this case a rounded up 9mp's which happens to be what a 12mp 4:3 ratio sensor will yield. They did no more and no less and finally had to it. Samsung in the new S6 and Note 5 have the same 12mp image at the 4:3 resolution. If you look closely they advertise 16mp cameras but that's at a 16:9 ratio. Are they setting themselves up for 8k output? Perhaps.

The noise issues in low light from years past were due in part to the phones not having OIS. Now that they have OIS, the ISO amplification doesn't have to be as strong thus the images will be cleaner.

Omg that's so right I totally forgot all the haters saying how 4k video recording was a waste....ohh man thanks for that reminder.

So from last year or 2 years ago 4k is now main stream but having the option to record in 4k 2 years ago was a waste right?

BTW you could of bought a sammy 4k TV 2 years ago for under 2500 and I'm talking the better models like the 7 and 8 series.4k tvs were cheap and still are cheap and by no way in hell is it even close to main stream.

You can't even get 1080p natively on cable yet and the only source for 1080p in decent quality is blu ray movies.

But now that apple decided to do it it's all ready for prime time right? I'm so glad I have 4k footage of our family's twins that I can show them when they get older.

Where was apple when I was recording in 4k almost 2 years ago?
 

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So the reason they waited was for low light pictures? Have you seen the pictures yet? What will you say if the old iPhone 6 takes better low light images? Are you also saying the 16mp in the gs5,note 3 and note 4 were not great shooters? I mean most review sites gave the nodge to those old 16mp sensors.

If the iPhone 6s doesn't have 2gb ram what is the reason for it? And when they go 3 or 4 will it somehow be different or better then when Samsung did it a few years earlier with no doubt the same exact ram chips used?

BTW gpus have also been getting more power efficient with each new soc and not one single game on Android is written in 2.5k most are 720p and just a handful are 1080p and the gpu SCALES the res up and is not pushing those crazy extra pixels.

Even the brand new sony phone with the 4k screen is rendering everything in 1080p and was confirmed with screen capture shots and checked the resolution. The phone will only display 4k when its called for,like when you decide to take a 4k picture or video and want to view it.

And games are def not running anywhere near that native res lol
Those phones are not as great shooters as they could have been had they stayed at lower megapixel counts (in terms of low-light). Luckily I won't have to say anything because there has never been an iPhone that shoots worse than the previous.

And even if games don't run at native resolutions, you can see comparison videos of popular iOS and Android games where the iOS version has greater game visuals that the Android version.
 

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Those phones are not as great shooters as they could have been had they stayed at lower megapixel counts (in terms of low-light).

Not true. The pixels on the small sensor regardless of MP's were not able to capture enough light to benefit much at all back then even had they kept them at 6mp. Thus why even the iP4 and iP4s didn't do well in low light. Actually phones with more MP's performed better with more data being captured as binned down which is what most sites like instagram and facebook do with them. Again Samsungs phones suffered due to the lack of OIS and the fact that their jpeg processing wasn't great.
 

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Not true. The pixels on the small sensor regardless of MP's were not able to capture enough light to benefit much at all back then even had they kept them at 6mp. Thus why even the iP4 and iP4s didn't do well in low light. Actually phones with more MP's performed better with more data being captured as binned down which is what most sites like instagram and facebook do with them. Again Samsungs phones suffered due to the lack of OIS and the fact that their jpeg processing wasn't great.
Perhaps, but I don't mind having waited this long for more megapixels. I'm looking forward to the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus camera reviews.
 

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Perhaps, but I don't mind having waited this long for more megapixels. I'm looking forward to the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus camera reviews.

They should do well. I'm interested in how they will approach image processing. even with as well as the latest Samsungs do they could be far better. I was glad to see them increase their dynamic range but they still over process the jpegs.
 

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They should do well. I'm interested in how they will approach image processing. even with as well as the latest Samsungs do they could be far better. I was glad to see them increase their dynamic range but they still over process the jpegs.

You can always shoot in raw format and do the image processing in adobe on a computer
 

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They should do well. I'm interested in how they will approach image processing. even with as well as the latest Samsungs do they could be far better. I was glad to see them increase their dynamic range but they still over process the jpegs.
Yeah, that's one area I wouldn't worry about. Their ISP has been great since the A5 or A6 and they've improved it for every A-chip since.
 

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You can always shoot in raw format and do the image processing in adobe on a computer

I do as that's where the bump in dynamic range is seen. However to be fair I'm comparing in camera jpeg vs in camera jpeg. There Samsung doesn't appear to have changed much to benefit the person not shooting RAW which on a phone is likely a very high percentage. Even me as a photographer doesn't want to rely on RAW when using a cell phone. They really need to work on their jpeg processing.
 
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Disagree. Samsung phones have really bad stuttering coming from a nexus, iPhone or moto x. I had to return my note 5 because I couldn't take it anymore.

They just need to focus on software and spend less money on crappy ads.
But, but it has 4 gigs of ram. Next note will have 5 gigs and will still stutter.
 

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But, but it has 4 gigs of ram. Next note will have 5 gigs and will still stutter.
But it doesn't stutter...as many have confirmed in this forum. He has posted that in several threads...yet tech reviewers and real life everyday experience proves him wrong.

I can't stand lag and consider myself sensitive to it. The lg G4 lagged, the six plus did for its few months. The iPad 3 did. The note 5 does not.
 
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You do realise that everything your saying was done before and it's the same old responses.just like 1080p was useless when sammy did it but now that apple has a 1080p screen it OK?

And they finally have a 12mp camera but I though mp was all bs and not needed? And every new screen from Samsung is using less power then the screen before it.

What is your response for when the iPhone 7s comes out and finally has 4k screen and 16mp camera?

Are there any phones in the US market that are less than 5 inches in screen size and 1080 P?
 
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