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lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
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Rene Ritchie at iMore posted some comparison shots that show quite a contrast with the 6s. I'd check out that site as they are more likely to post some brief stories on how to use the camera. In most cases it for an ordinary pointer and shooter I'm guessing it is most effective at the fringes.
That's my point though. Maybe cameras in phones have advanced to a point I won't see a difference. Frankly if I wanted to learn how to make amazing photos I'd probably own something nicer than a smartphone camera. It's just not something that interests me.

The camera could be strictly better. I'm not even arguing that. It's just that if it doesn't perform better in my hands it's not going to be a selling point.
 

BorderingOn

macrumors 6502
Jun 12, 2016
497
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Awesome! You hit the panel lottery and got one of the blue, clear screens! More of these screens will come along in the next few months. Would love a shot of your 7 next to wifes on the settings screen.

To everyone else: Proof this isnt intentional!

Why is blue clear and right? Why are people so gleeful when they get a blue scale screen?

You guys need to get away from the fluorescent lights and spend some time under the yellow sun.
 

tgwaste

macrumors 68000
Sep 18, 2013
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3,704
returned mine as well. going with the 1+3 until iPhone 8. Radio problems kept disconnecting Wifi and Cell, Phone froze a bunch of times, took 2 days for iMessage to work for $1100 ? No thanks. Radio problems are probably due to the crap intel chip in the GSM. Been with iPhone for a long time and let me tell you, the 1+3 is an awesome phone and its only 400 bucks.

Well see what happens next year.
 
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bmathews

macrumors newbie
Sep 25, 2014
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returned mine as well. going with the 1+3 until iPhone 8. Radio problems kept disconnecting Wifi and Cell, Phone froze a bunch of times, took 2 days for iMessage to work for $1100 ? No thanks. Radio problems are probably due to the crap intel chip in the GSM. Been with iPhone for a long time and let me tell you, the 1+3 is an awesome phone and its only 400 bucks.

Well see what happens next year.

I have had radio problems on my Verizon spec 7 as well. long periods of 'no service'
 
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ABC5S

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Sep 10, 2013
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Since my 6S was just about the same as the 7 or not much more, I to sent my 7 back and awaiting for next year's model. No sense in spending at least 650.00 for almost the same as the previous model. If you have the 6 or even older, perhaps the 7 would be a fair upgrade
 
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oftheheavens

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Jul 9, 2008
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YES PLEASE! You are not the only one. Ever since I got my MBP.

Thought it was the coolest thing on my first mac which was a plastic white MacBook. When i first got it I would close and open the lid a few times to watch it light up lol. It may be a little funnier to you if you imagine this as a 23 year old Marine fascinated with the blinky lights
 
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lenard

macrumors 6502a
Oct 10, 2007
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After just 18 hours and 2 different iPhone 7's I have just returned the 7 and gone back to the 6S.

As of right now, the 7 is not a superior phone to the 6S in my opinion, for the following reasons:

-Yellow screens. This is a problem every year when they change the display. The good screens will come back in a few months. I think this has something to do with the manufacturing process of IPS displays. A residue is deposited for the first few million. In a month or so, the clear blue screens will return. This isn't glue, intentional, more correct, or any other BS reason we hear every year. Its a defect of the manufacturing process. 2 iPhone 7's I got both had vastly inferior screens to my 6S, even after color profile/tint correction. Contrast, clarity, and brightness all worse than the 6S.

-No noticeable speed increases. I put the phones next to each other and tried my hardest to make the 7 run faster. It didn't. In some cases web pages loaded faster on the 6S. Plus the intentional delay after clicking the home button that was introduced in the 7 makes it feel slower and laggier.

-Marginal at best camera improvements

-Weird home button that doesn't work unless pressed with bare skin (no more gloves).

-Legitimate concerns about the lack of sapphire (lower quality materials)

And for all this what do you get in return?

-No headphone jack.


No thanks, Apple


NOTE: Many have questioned the yellow screen point I made, and here are my final thoughts on that:

Final thoughts on the matter:

It's clear that many dont want to think critically and hold Apple accountable in justification of their yellow screens. Thats fine but let me present one more argument for you.

Many have argued that Apple is moving to a warmer temp, its intentional and more correct. To those people, I ask this question: Is the phone in this reply a defect? Disregard the uniformity issue as thats a separate issue, keep this to color temp:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/yellow-gate.1996889/page-7#post-23491271

As you can see, this phone has the same tint as the posters clear, blueish, iphone 6s. The mail icon, the music icon, all look beautiful and clear, and match the 6s. Whats more, the screen is clearly brighter than the 6s, as promised in the keynote.

So is this guys screen a defect then? Since Apple is intentionally moving to warm screens? And if it is a defect, then why does this defective screen have the greater brightness levels promised in the keynote?

In the meantime, the yellow screens have now been measured with light meters and have shown to be less bright than the 6s. Theres entire threads on the lack of brightness and some are calling it brightness-gate.

So you're telling me that the correct screen looks a lot worse/different than last years screen AND has lower brightness by design, and any clear looking screens WITH the promised increased brightness are the defects?

Yeah, I'm not buying it. But if you enjoy your dim yellow screen, you should totally keep it.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/19/iphone-7-best-lcd-display-ever-displaymate/
 
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kre62

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Yet every year the reputable test sites only seem to get the perfect ones and nobody can ever actually cite a test that shows otherwise? On the most heavily scrutinized consumer product ever manufactured.

Ok...

Look around and some of the other threads there's people who are comparing their iPhones to display models and there are clear differences in the panels. Others have ordered multiple phones and some of had good panels and some of had bad panels it's all over this forum with picture proof go check it
 
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zhenya

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Jan 6, 2005
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Look around and some of the other threads there's people who are comparing their iPhones to display models and there are clear differences in the panels. Others have ordered multiple phones and some of had good panels and some of had bad panels it's all over this forum with picture proof go check it

One, picture proof is virtually meaningless when it comes to determining white point. Slight changes in brightness, angle relative to the screen, focus point, etc. can have a huge influence on the relative white balance. This is why you need proper test equipment.

Two, I have no doubt that there is some variance in the screens. There has to be in order for Apple to manufacture at this volume. I am certain that they set some specification for this. And I'm sure that probably spans from something like ~6000K-7000k. So if you've previously had a model that came on the high end of this tolerance, and you happened to get one on the low end the next time, you'd think you have a 'yellow' screen. In reality they are both within spec. By the same token your previous example had a 'blue' screen, yet we never see anyone complain about that because the group think is that the brighter the white, the better. Which is fine if you prefer that, but it's not color accurate, and it's not what Apple appears to be shooting for.

The fact that the review sites never seem to get one much outside of the target zone indicates to me that their QC practices are pretty good.
 

kre62

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One, picture proof is virtually meaningless when it comes to determining white point. Slight changes in brightness, angle relative to the screen, focus point, etc. can have a huge influence on the relative white balance. This is why you need proper test equipment.

Two, I have no doubt that there is some variance in the screens. There has to be in order for Apple to manufacture at this volume. I am certain that they set some specification for this. And I'm sure that probably spans from something like ~6000K-7000k. So if you've previously had a model that came on the high end of this tolerance, and you happened to get one on the low end the next time, you'd think you have a 'yellow' screen. In reality they are both within spec. By the same token your previous example had a 'blue' screen, yet we never see anyone complain about that because the group think is that the brighter the white, the better. Which is fine if you prefer that, but it's not color accurate, and it's not what Apple appears to be shooting for.

I reject that Apple is doing this intentionally. Thats pure speculation on your part.

On the color thing, heres my final word on it:

I'll admit I've been conditioned to like a blueish/whitish hue. Know where that conditioning came from? Mother nature, when I look at the colors of the world through the blue tinted atmosphere. I want my screens to look the same, and the bluer tint screens do. The yellow tint screens do not match real life.

So you professional photographers need to get mother nature on the phone and tell her shes doing it wrong. Your way is more correct.
 

kas23

macrumors 603
Oct 28, 2007
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I see a lot of people on here trying to justify not buying the iPhone 7. It's OK. If iPhones were still subsidized this thread would be much smaller. But they are not and unsubsidized iPhones are damn expensive. People need to accept not buying a new iPhone every year, and all this iPhone 7 bashing is really unnecessary. We get it. You don't want to buy a new phone. That said, if this phone looked different this thread would also be much shorter.
 

RedOrchestra

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Aug 13, 2012
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But they are not and unsubsidized iPhones are damn expensive.


With each passing year more and more Apple fans are being sent to the margins by the ever increasing prices ... no longer can they claim a spot at the THE adults table.
 

zhenya

macrumors 604
Jan 6, 2005
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I reject that Apple is doing this intentionally. Thats pure speculation on your part.

On the color thing, heres my final word on it:

I'll admit I've been conditioned to like a blueish/whitish hue. Know where that conditioning came from? Mother nature, when I look at the colors of the world through the blue tinted atmosphere. I want my screens to look the same, and the bluer tint screens do. The yellow tint screens do not match real life.

So you professional photographers need to get mother nature on the phone and tell her shes doing it wrong. Your way is more correct.

Yes, you are right. The photographers, printers, cinematographers all have it wrong. You must have it right. LOL.

There is a reason for standards. Whether you agree with them or not is another matter, but at least do your due diligence before criticizing them.
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see this.... https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/19/iphone-7-display-benchmark-record-color-accuracy-brightness/
no mention that the screen should be warmer/yellow. thats the point of this thread. Just return the iPhone and buy another one in a few weeks. thats what i did.

From the very article you reference. iPhone 7 on right.

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