Just returned my iPhone 7

[kre62]

Yes, you are right. The photographers, printers, cinematographers all have it wrong. You must have it right. LOL.

There is a reason for standards. Whether you agree with them or not is another matter, but at least do your due diligence before criticizing them.
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From the very article you reference. iPhone 7 on right.

And mother nature has it wrong too right? Cause the colors i see in the world match my bluer tint display.

 

[zhenya]

And mother nature has it wrong too right? Cause the colors i see in the world match my bluer tint display.

The color of sunlight varies greatly depending on time of day, latitude, weather patterns, etc. There is no 'one' temperature in 'the world.' As an accepted standard, however, the D65 target that Apple appears to be settling on is about as close to average as we can get.

D65 corresponds roughly to the average midday light in Western Europe / Northern Europe (comprising both direct sunlight and the light diffused by a clear sky), hence it is also called a daylight illuminant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminant_D65

 

[kre62]

The color of sunlight varies greatly depending on time of day, latitude, weather patterns, etc. There is no 'one' temperature in 'the world.' As an accepted standard, however, the D65 target that Apple appears to be settling on is about as close to average as we can get.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminant_D65

Cool. Im sure the good screens look terrific, like the ones in the display models. I, and many others, did not get one of those good screens.

 

[newellj]

You do realize that DisplayMate just came out with their report on the 7's display, don't you?

After just 18 hours and 2 different iPhone 7's I have just returned the 7 and gone back to the 6S.

As of right now, the 7 is not a superior phone to the 6S in my opinion, for the following reasons:

-Yellow screens. This is a problem every year when they change the display. The good screens will come back in a few months. I think this has something to do with the manufacturing process of IPS displays. A residue is deposited for the first few million. In a month or so, the clear blue screens will return. This isn't glue, intentional, more correct, or any other BS reason we hear every year. Its a defect of the manufacturing process. 2 iPhone 7's I got both had vastly inferior screens to my 6S, even after color profile/tint correction. Contrast, clarity, and brightness all worse than the 6S.

-No noticeable speed increases. I put the phones next to each other and tried my hardest to make the 7 run faster. It didn't. In some cases web pages loaded faster on the 6S. Plus the intentional delay after clicking the home button that was introduced in the 7 makes it feel slower and laggier.

-Marginal at best camera improvements

-Weird home button that doesn't work unless pressed with bare skin (no more gloves).

-Legitimate concerns about the lack of sapphire (lower quality materials)

And for all this what do you get in return?

-No headphone jack.


No thanks, Apple


NOTE: Many have questioned the yellow screen point I made, and here are my final thoughts on that:

Final thoughts on the matter:

It's clear that many dont want to think critically and hold Apple accountable in justification of their yellow screens. Thats fine but let me present one more argument for you.

Many have argued that Apple is moving to a warmer temp, its intentional and more correct. To those people, I ask this question: Is the phone in this reply a defect? Disregard the uniformity issue as thats a separate issue, keep this to color temp:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/yellow-gate.1996889/page-7#post-23491271

As you can see, this phone has the same tint as the posters clear, blueish, iphone 6s. The mail icon, the music icon, all look beautiful and clear, and match the 6s. Whats more, the screen is clearly brighter than the 6s, as promised in the keynote.

So is this guys screen a defect then? Since Apple is intentionally moving to warm screens? And if it is a defect, then why does this defective screen have the greater brightness levels promised in the keynote?

In the meantime, the yellow screens have now been measured with light meters and have shown to be less bright than the 6s. Theres entire threads on the lack of brightness and some are calling it brightness-gate.

So you're telling me that the correct screen looks a lot worse/different than last years screen AND has lower brightness by design, and any clear looking screens WITH the promised increased brightness are the defects?

Yeah, I'm not buying it. But if you enjoy your dim yellow screen, you should totally keep it.

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I reject that Apple is doing this intentionally. Thats pure speculation on your part.

On the color thing, heres my final word on it:

I'll admit I've been conditioned to like a blueish/whitish hue. Know where that conditioning came from? Mother nature, when I look at the colors of the world through the blue tinted atmosphere. I want my screens to look the same, and the bluer tint screens do. The yellow tint screens do not match real life.

So you professional photographers need to get mother nature on the phone and tell her shes doing it wrong. Your way is more correct.

It's a relief to know that there's SOMEONE out there who's willing to call BS on a large group of people who've studied the subject for decades and on whose education and experience literally billions of dollars a year hangs.

 

[kre62]

You do realize that DisplayMate just came out with their report on the 7's display, don't you?


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It's a relief to know that there's SOMEONE out there who's willing to call BS on a large group of people who've studied the subject for decades and on whose education and experience literally billions of dollars a year hangs.

LOL another one of these guys who hasn't read the thread and thinks they have the answer. If you were paying attention youd know there are correct panels out there, one of which was tested by displaymate, and there are nasty dingy yellow panels, two of which i got and did not match Apple display phones. But dont worry, there will be more guys like you along shortly posting the displaymate link without reading or comprehending the situation.

 

[zhenya]

LOL another one of these guys who hasn't read the thread and thinks they have the answer. If you were paying attention youd know there are correct panels out there, one of which was tested by displaymate, and there are nasty dingy yellow panels, two of which i got and did not match Apple display phones. But dont worry, there will be more guys like you along shortly posting the displaymate link without reading or comprehending the situation.

And as soon as you show us a single link demonstrating that this is anything other than a rare manufacturing variance, we'll be on board. You've said it's been this way every year the iPhone has been released. It should be easy to provide that data in that case.

 

[kre62]

And as soon as you show us a single link demonstrating that this is anything other than a rare manufacturing variance, we'll be on board. You've said it's been this way every year the iPhone has been released. It should be easy to provide that data in that case.

How do you know its rare? There are two threads, one called yellow gate and one on brightness, filled with people who got bad screens. Doesnt seem too rare to me. Go look at the pics for yourself.

 

[mattopotamus]

And as soon as you show us a single link demonstrating that this is anything other than a rare manufacturing variance, we'll be on board. You've said it's been this way every year the iPhone has been released. It should be easy to provide that data in that case.

It's definitely not rare, but nowhere near the norm. I've been yellow screened before and it's annoying as hell.

 

[maxsix]

This is just plain old senseless static ... the home button has to be one of the great move aheads that Apple has introduced ... I just don't get the "opposition."

For those living within the confines of Apple's walled garden, it is hard to imagine that other, far better solutions exist.

For those of us living in a free and open world, the solutions are obvious and to be celebrated.

Yet Apple's well known stubborn streak and obsession with boasting about how great they are, prevents them from implementing a proven system. Instead while reinventing the wheel, they tend to muck up the project.

Specifically... capacitive buttons, using the exact same tech as the touchscreen itself, are proven world class solutions. I've enjoyed their speed, reliability and ease of use for years. A perfect example are those on my Nexus 6P and 5X models.

But make no mistake, rather than use something proven, buttons they can't claim they invented, Apple was compelled to create something different. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

Time will tell. Rumors are already whispering that this Haptic buzzer may not reappear on iPhone 8.

 

[kre62]

It's definitely not rare, but nowhere near the norm. I've been yellow screened before and it's annoying as hell.

Sure, I'll buy that. The point is, these screens exist, and if you the customer arent informed you may not realize youre getting shorted by Apple, and a better version exists. For some reason, people cant accept this.

 

[pmau]

Usually hate threads like these but I may return mine too. I really think the 8 will be the phone to get and $800 is a lot to pay for something that isn't substantially better.

Sssshhhh. Don't upset the crowd

 

[zhenya]

How do you know its rare? There are two threads, one called yellow gate and one on brightness, filled with people who got bad screens. Doesnt seem too rare to me. Go look at the pics for yourself.

I don't doubt that people have what they perceive to be 'yellow' screens in a world increasingly filled with screens that are overly blue. I maintain that these screens are still within spec, and probably quite close to 6500k in fact. I have yet to see any data that shows otherwise. In fact, the data shows quite clearly that Apple has, if anything, often overshot the target point - either by choice or by availability of components. The chance of you having one that is significantly below 6500k is quite low. Again, if 'yellow' screens were common, we'd have some test data somewhere showing examples of screens >6500k. More likely the 'yellow' ones are actually closer to the target point - which is what some of us have been saying all along. Whiter is not better however.

 

[Serickmetz]

How do you know its rare? There are two threads, one called yellow gate and one on brightness, filled with people who got bad screens. Doesnt seem too rare to me. Go look at the pics for yourself.

Two Threads of people with bad screens out of MILLIONS of units sold... That sounds extremely rare if you ask me.

 

[kre62]

I don't doubt that people have what they perceive to be 'yellow' screens in a world increasingly filled with screens that are overly blue. I maintain that these screens are still within spec, and probably quite close to 6500k in fact. I have yet to see any data that shows otherwise. In fact, the data shows quite clearly that Apple has, if anything, often overshot the target point - either by choice or by availability of components. The chance of you having one that is significantly below 6500k is quite low. Again, if 'yellow' screens were common, we'd have some test data somewhere showing examples of screens >6500k. More likely the 'yellow' ones are actually closer to the target point - which is what some of us have been saying all along. Whiter is not better however.

Terrific. Thanks for posting this graph again.

If you think that all iphone 7 screens are perfect, and any yellowing is intentional, and that when I put my yellow phone next to a display 7 and the display 7 had a much cooler screen temp, then the display model must be defective , plus my 6S which looked like the display 7 must also have been defective - than good on ya.

I cant spoon feed this to you any more. you either go look at the pics with your own eyes, compare your phone to display models yourself, or whatever else you want to do to get informed, or you move on believing this nonsense that its just correct temps and people are overreacting. Two temperature screened versions of the phones exist. Its been proven again and again, with pics all over. Go look at it. Or dont. But dont try to convince the world and yourself that theres only one screen out there.

Let me post this example - AGAIN - of a good temp iphone 7 screen:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/yellow-gate.1996889/page-7#post-23491271

 

[pmau]

Sure, I'll buy that. The point is, these screens exist, and if you the customer arent informed you may not realize youre getting shorted by Apple, and a better version exists. For some reason, people cant accept this.

... and what about True Tone.
Which could have been integrated essily, but Apple does not want to source more expensive parts. Period.
True Tone would have required a light sensor to measure color and colored baclights.
Both would have been great but they just sold us a slightly better display that is not that great at all.
It just looks better for photos, but standard RGB App color schemes are just odd because of the warmer profile.

 

[AppleRobert]

I will happily give them my ip7 for their review, their jaw will drop when they see this not acceptable display.

I showed Apple tech, friends, and BB workers. They all agree. Too many folks here are i.....

 

[ABC5S]

Two Threads of people with bad screens out of MILLIONS of units sold... That sounds extremely rare if you ask me.

You're missing the total picture here. You forgot to point out that only some come to this forum and, millions of others do not. So you don't know if it's rare or not.

 

[AppleRobert]

You're missing the total picture here. You forgot to point out that only some come to this forum and, millions of others do not. So you don't know if it's rare or not.

And I have not seen one yet acceptable to me that isn't yellowish and less bright than the iPhone 6s.

And I get around, 3 Apple stores and carriers and 4 BB stores.

Someone want to meet me at one of those places and please show me a good one, PLEASE?
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All I know is my display is awesome so yay for me.

Picture please.

So many more examples of unacceptable ones, where are the good ones? HHHMMMMM!

 

[newellj]

LOL another one of these guys who hasn't read the thread and thinks they have the answer. If you were paying attention youd know there are correct panels out there, one of which was tested by displaymate, and there are nasty dingy yellow panels, two of which i got and did not match Apple display phones. But dont worry, there will be more guys like you along shortly posting the displaymate link without reading or comprehending the situation.

Ahhh, I get it now - thank you for the correction. It's a conspiracy, and you're the target.

 

[kre62]

Ahhh, I get it now - thank you for the correction. It's a conspiracy, and you're the target.

Nope its a reality. Go look at all the pics of bad screens.

 

[newellj]

cant

Here at least we have some candor.

 

[Math889]

After just 18 hours and 2 different iPhone 7's I have just returned the 7 and gone back to the 6S.

As of right now, the 7 is not a superior phone to the 6S in my opinion, for the following reasons:

-Yellow screens. This is a problem every year when they change the display. The good screens will come back in a few months. I think this has something to do with the manufacturing process of IPS displays. A residue is deposited for the first few million. In a month or so, the clear blue screens will return. This isn't glue, intentional, more correct, or any other BS reason we hear every year. Its a defect of the manufacturing process. 2 iPhone 7's I got both had vastly inferior screens to my 6S, even after color profile/tint correction. Contrast, clarity, and brightness all worse than the 6S.

-No noticeable speed increases. I put the phones next to each other and tried my hardest to make the 7 run faster. It didn't. In some cases web pages loaded faster on the 6S. Plus the intentional delay after clicking the home button that was introduced in the 7 makes it feel slower and laggier.

-Marginal at best camera improvements

-Weird home button that doesn't work unless pressed with bare skin (no more gloves).

-Legitimate concerns about the lack of sapphire (lower quality materials)

And for all this what do you get in return?

-No headphone jack.


No thanks, Apple


NOTE: Many have questioned the yellow screen point I made, and here are my final thoughts on that:

Final thoughts on the matter:

It's clear that many dont want to think critically and hold Apple accountable in justification of their yellow screens. Thats fine but let me present one more argument for you.

Many have argued that Apple is moving to a warmer temp, its intentional and more correct. To those people, I ask this question: Is the phone in this reply a defect? Disregard the uniformity issue as thats a separate issue, keep this to color temp:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/yellow-gate.1996889/page-7#post-23491271

As you can see, this phone has the same tint as the posters clear, blueish, iphone 6s. The mail icon, the music icon, all look beautiful and clear, and match the 6s. Whats more, the screen is clearly brighter than the 6s, as promised in the keynote.

So is this guys screen a defect then? Since Apple is intentionally moving to warm screens? And if it is a defect, then why does this defective screen have the greater brightness levels promised in the keynote?

In the meantime, the yellow screens have now been measured with light meters and have shown to be less bright than the 6s. Theres entire threads on the lack of brightness and some are calling it brightness-gate.

So you're telling me that the correct screen looks a lot worse/different than last years screen AND has lower brightness by design, and any clear looking screens WITH the promised increased brightness are the defects?

Yeah, I'm not buying it. But if you enjoy your dim yellow screen, you should totally keep it.

Did you see the speed test? 7 booted the same time as the 6s, and the 5s booted faster than the 7 Plus! WOW!! How much faster is the new A10 fusion chip?? Is it Worth to upgrade from ip6 or 6s? NO . Worth upgrade from 5s? NO. GET THE SE, 6S,6S PLUS . the same history is repeating like 5s and 6.The 7 design is identical to the 6S.So, whats changed? Nothing, is the same phone as last year. same design for 3 years, same screen resolution as ip6. Who should upgrade to IP7? Iphone 5 ,5c owners . And if 5 owners want a 4 inch phone, upgrade to the SE. Iphone 7 is disappointing! I thought it would be revolutionary . It shouldnt deserve the own name. Its not 7, its the 6ss. Apple called the Iphone 7 to make people upgrade. JUST IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jamesrick80]

... and what about True Tone.
Which could have been integrated essily, but Apple does not want to source more expensive parts. Period.
True Tone would have required a light sensor to measure color and colored baclights.
Both would have been great but they just sold us a slightly better display that is not that great at all.
It just looks better for photos, but standard RGB App color schemes are just odd because of the warmer profile.

If the iPhone 7 had true tone...everyone on this board would be amazed......

 

[blue rocket]

Time

After just 18 hours and 2 different iPhone 7's I have just returned the 7 and gone back to the 6S.

As of right now, the 7 is not a superior phone to the 6S in my opinion, for the following reasons:

-Yellow screens. This is a problem every year when they change the display. The good screens will come back in a few months. I think this has something to do with the manufacturing process of IPS displays. A residue is deposited for the first few million. In a month or so, the clear blue screens will return. This isn't glue, intentional, more correct, or any other BS reason we hear every year. Its a defect of the manufacturing process. 2 iPhone 7's I got both had vastly inferior screens to my 6S, even after color profile/tint correction. Contrast, clarity, and brightness all worse than the 6S.

-No noticeable speed increases. I put the phones next to each other and tried my hardest to make the 7 run faster. It didn't. In some cases web pages loaded faster on the 6S. Plus the intentional delay after clicking the home button that was introduced in the 7 makes it feel slower and laggier.

-Marginal at best camera improvements

-Weird home button that doesn't work unless pressed with bare skin (no more gloves).

-Legitimate concerns about the lack of sapphire (lower quality materials)

And for all this what do you get in return?

-No headphone jack.


No thanks, Apple


NOTE: Many have questioned the yellow screen point I made, and here are my final thoughts on that:

Final thoughts on the matter:

It's clear that many dont want to think critically and hold Apple accountable in justification of their yellow screens. Thats fine but let me present one more argument for you.

Many have argued that Apple is moving to a warmer temp, its intentional and more correct. To those people, I ask this question: Is the phone in this reply a defect? Disregard the uniformity issue as thats a separate issue, keep this to color temp:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/yellow-gate.1996889/page-7#post-23491271

As you can see, this phone has the same tint as the posters clear, blueish, iphone 6s. The mail icon, the music icon, all look beautiful and clear, and match the 6s. Whats more, the screen is clearly brighter than the 6s, as promised in the keynote.

So is this guys screen a defect then? Since Apple is intentionally moving to warm screens? And if it is a defect, then why does this defective screen have the greater brightness levels promised in the keynote?

In the meantime, the yellow screens have now been measured with light meters and have shown to be less bright than the 6s. Theres entire threads on the lack of brightness and some are calling it brightness-gate.

So you're telling me that the correct screen looks a lot worse/different than last years screen AND has lower brightness by design, and any clear looking screens WITH the promised increased brightness are the defects?

Yeah, I'm not buying it. But if you enjoy your dim yellow screen, you should totally keep it.

It's about time to get used to technology changes or be left behind. Your reasons for returning are rediculous. Probably should go with a sweet Samsung device

 

[GonzagaDynasty]

OP is right for the most part....

I'm keeping my 7 because, well, I just like having the newest phone but...

Sound quality from the speakers isn't even better.. I was excited about this. It's no louder. Sound better? No, not really.

It's not faster.

It looks pretty much the same.

No headphone jack? I don't really care.

I do like the flat black though.

But yeah, fanboys are CRINGE. It's not better than the 6s