Kinda doubt about Vision Pros' future.

[turbineseaplane]

Why do I keep seeing this fantasy over and over?

People are dreaming ... and also mapping on some revisionist history to how things went for the iPhone.

AVP's release has nothing in common with the iPhone release, other than being from Apple

(Apple as a company isn't even all that similar to Apple of 2007. Very different size/scale/leadership/product direction)

 

[G5isAlive]

iPhone was entertainment device when it launched, so I was iPad.

At the time the iPhone was launched, I had a blackberry from work. Rarely used it even for making calls. It was just too cumbersome for me, so I consequently thought I wasn't a portable phone person. just not for me. But I did love my iPod. And the internet. So when Apple launched the iPhone I thought, "great, a new iPod, that lets me read the internet, think I will get one". Never occurred to me I would actually like the phone part. But I loved it and found out I actually was a mobile phone kind of person. Just not a blackberry kind of person.

I am a tech guy, love toys so I tried other versions of VR but found the resolution to be poor, the experience would often give me headaches, or nausea, or both. I am not a twitch game player so there was nothing there for me. I came away thinking I just wasn't a headset kind of guy. Once again I was wrong. I am just not a meta kind of person.

I do wish the AVP didnt cost as much. I do wish it was lighter. Might wish for a wider field of view. It's not perfect by a long shot. As such, it's not for everyone. But turns out I am a headset kind of person if it allows me to sit reasonably comfortably anywhere any place with the ability to view multiple windows of my pictures, my reports, internet pages, face time, and even my movies. Who knew?

 

[klasma]

I can’t wait to revisit this thread in 5 to 10 years.

No need to wait, you can revisit it now!

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Vision Pro or AR/VR/MR itself is far from being essential from the beginning. That's a huge difference. Even now, AR/VR/MR devices still failed to convince consumers which is a main issue and yet, Apple's Vision Pro is more limited than others for gaming.

But the point is that new tech does not need to be "essential from the beginning."

That is an artificial construct made by naysayers for the sake of being naysayers. Instead think of the Newton which was hugely beneficial, perhaps essential even, to Apple's later successes.

 

[turbineseaplane]

But the point is that new tech does not need to be essential from the beginning.

New tech itself, no, but for it to be a successful product -- it needs to have a more defined and fleshed out critical feature(s) and use case.

 

[klasma]

The Vision Pro is now Apple's halo product (adiós Mac Pro). It creates a Disneyland-in-your-living-room experience for customers who can afford it. And for everyone else, it's an aspirational product. At the very least it will generate more interest in the Apple brand like any good halo product is supposed to do.

You can’t play Halo on it though.

 

[surferfb]

tt

You can’t play Halo on it though.

But you can play Baldur’s Gate 3!

 

[boss.king]

I had a blackberry - they were popular with business people but they weren’t mass consumer products.

They were definitely gaining popularity outside of a business context. The iPhone disrupted that, but I knew plenty of non-business people who owned them.

Not saying the Vision Pro will be like the iPhone. But for those of us who’ve been Apple fans for a while, we also heard these same posts about how the iMac will fail, the iPod will fail, the iPhone will fail, the iPad will fail, and the watch will fail, and it gets old after a while.

I first used Apple stuff in the 90s. I’ve followed them for a long time, and while they certainly have a good track record, they’re not without their own misses. I’m not saying the Vision Pro line is guaranteed to be a failure, I’m just saying that shouldn’t treat this like it’s already an obvious success story when it clearly has plenty of issues.

 

[klasma]

But you can play Baldur’s Gate 3!

Let’s call it Apple’s Baldur’s Gate 3 product then.

 

[nfl46]

No need to wait, you can revisit it now!

Let’s goooo!

 

[Lift Bar]

Apple Vision Pro is a unique product, not designed to disrupt markets or replace existing devices. It's not a substitute for 4K monitors, which are available at a fraction of the cost, nor does it serve the same purpose as a home theatre system, which is meant for communal viewing.

Instead, its impact is more far profound, potentially altering the very essence of our daily lives. Normal people think this is “gross.” As such, it appeals mainly to early adopters and tech enthusiasts, rather than the average consumer.

While "spatial computing" might become significant in the distant future, Apple's journey with the Vision Pro is likely to be a long one. The company is known for its patience and unparalleled marketing skills, which could eventually establish this new product category.

 

[gcmexico]

if you don’t see the point you don’t…glad you aren’t developing the AVP for Apple…all good…long rant but lost me with I don’t see the point, which is just CRAZY to me

 

[TechnoMonk]

At the time the iPhone was launched, I had a blackberry from work. Rarely used it even for making calls. It was just too cumbersome for me, so I consequently thought I wasn't a portable phone person. just not for me. But I did love my iPod. And the internet. So when Apple launched the iPhone I thought, "great, a new iPod, that lets me read the internet, think I will get one". Never occurred to me I would actually like the phone part. But I loved it and found out I actually was a mobile phone kind of person. Just not a blackberry kind of person.

I am a tech guy, love toys so I tried other versions of VR but found the resolution to be poor, the experience would often give me headaches, or nausea, or both. I am not a twitch game player so there was nothing there for me. I came away thinking I just wasn't a headset kind of guy. Once again I was wrong. I am just not a meta kind of person.

I do wish the AVP didnt cost as much. I do wish it was lighter. Might wish for a wider field of view. It's not perfect by a long shot. As such, it's not for everyone. But turns out I am a headset kind of person if it allows me to sit reasonably comfortably anywhere any place with the ability to view multiple windows of my pictures, my reports, internet pages, face time, and even my movies. Who knew?

I had the original iPhone to be used as iPod and internet. I had Blackberry or Samsung Black Jack work phone. Hated them, though Corporate email was supported from iphone 3GS, was glad to dump my Blackberry. I think AVP will evolve and hopefully Apple can come up with a cheaper version. If they can improve, I can buy them just for ability to work on large screens on travel. I can’t carry my displays with me, but this is a good option. I have a MBP 16, but the screen gets smaller with multiple windows, and my neck doesn’t like the fact i have to look down on the screen. I will wait for Apple to work out the tweaks. I have a friend who uses it for consumption, and loves it despite some limitations.

 

[heretiq]

You can’t play Halo on it though.

Correct, AVP release 1 does not support playing Halo; but it does include an exceptional Covenant and Flood finder that is especially effective at causing Grunts to self-identify and bind themselves in convoluted pseudo-logic. 😏

 

[gcmexico]

Apple Vision Pro is a unique product, not designed to disrupt markets or replace existing devices. It's not a substitute for 4K monitors, which are available at a fraction of the cost, nor does it serve the same purpose as a home theatre system, which is meant for communal viewing.

Instead, its impact is more far profound, potentially altering the very essence of our daily lives. Normal people think this is “gross.” As such, it appeals mainly to early adopters and tech enthusiasts, rather than the average consumer.

While "spatial computing" might become significant in the distant future, Apple's journey with the Vision Pro is likely to be a long one. The company is known for its patience and unparalleled marketing skills, which could eventually establish this new product category.

it replaces every Apple device…lol the future is not carrying an iphone, apple watch airpods pro, ipad, macbook…like most do today…agreed that gen 1 is not going to do that now, but the writing is in the wall…I am truly baffled how people to see that…when I on my AVP, I don’t you any other apple device I own, none…geez I don’t even use my 85 inch 4k tv or my 120 inch 4k projector…this thing replaces SO many devices

 

[TechnoMonk]

Apple Vision Pro is a unique product, not designed to disrupt markets or replace existing devices. It's not a substitute for 4K monitors, which are available at a fraction of the cost, nor does it serve the same purpose as a home theatre system, which is meant for communal viewing.

Instead, its impact is more far profound, potentially altering the very essence of our daily lives. Normal people think this is “gross.” As such, it appeals mainly to early adopters and tech enthusiasts, rather than the average consumer.

While "spatial computing" might become significant in the distant future, Apple's journey with the Vision Pro is likely to be a long one. The company is known for its patience and unparalleled marketing skills, which could eventually establish this new product category.

I have 4k OLED screens, but I can’t take them in flights, hotels or where ever I work. I am not a big media consumption guy, but if Apple can give me a nice ergonomic displays, I will take it any day over my 16 MBP. I am not gonna buy the first version, but I can see potential of spatial computing and ability to take high quality screens with a MBP.

 

[G5isAlive]

I think AVP will evolve and hopefully Apple can come up with a cheaper version.

I think a LOT of the current vitriol is generated by price and will disappear if Apple will come out with a cheaper version. I doubt it will ever be as cheap as some would want though just because of its functionality, Apple will price it as a premium. You can do a lot more with it than you can a watch for example. More than an iPad. And it's not just a one trick pony like AirPods, for another example. Just picking three of Apple's relatively low price products. Will it ever get down to MBA prices? not for a while.

 

[G5isAlive]

I first used Apple stuff in the 90s. I’ve followed them for a long time, and while they certainly have a good track record, they’re not without their own misses. I’m not saying the Vision Pro line is guaranteed to be a failure, I’m just saying that shouldn’t treat this like it’s already an obvious success story when it clearly has plenty of issues.

On this I agree. It has issues (cost, weight to name two, I could name more based on experience with it). The future isn't written. Arguably the Newton missed. Certainly it did miss as a product (there are those that claim it laid foundation for future products that did succeed). Really only time will tell. But I wouldn't count it out yet.

 

[TechnoMonk]

I think a LOT of the current vitriol is generated by price and will disappear if Apple will come out with a cheaper version. I doubt it will ever be as cheap as some would want though just because of its functionality, Apple will price it as a premium. You can do a lot more with it than you can a watch for example. More than an iPad. And it's not just a one trick pony like AirPods, for another example. Just picking three of Apple's relatively low price products. Will it ever get down to MBA prices? not for a while.

Lot of it comes from FOMO, and need to justify it’s a bad product either because of affordability or availability. I am not going to buy Gen 1, but I am happy for those who bought AVP and enjoying the device. Outside of threads based on YouTube Videos, I have got some good feedback from the actual users. It’s far from perfect device, as expected with Gen 1. But, it would be foolish to dismiss, it doesn’t offer anything new.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

All of Apple's products were 'not essential' when they launched. For some people, they aren't essential even now - there's plenty who don't own an iPad, or a Mac, or a Watch.

I do agree that the VR/AR market has proven to be a bit tough to crack thus far...but so was the tablet market, and the smartphone market, and the smartwatch market. Apple wasn't the first in any of those. They survived just fine.

The biggest hurdle for the Apple Vision Pro besides the eye watering high price is the fact you have to wear it. As weird as it might sound but an awful lot of people don’t like wearing goggles/headsets. Smartphones and tablets took a couple of years to gain momentum but the application was unobtrusive and neither had anything like it previously. The VR/AR market is a very mature market and companies have spent the last 35 years trying to get products that appeal to the masses. It’s always been niche simply because it’s not really a product that replaces or introduces something that can’t be done with other devices.

The way I see it now is, do I want to wear a large pair of VR/AR goggles to watch a film or navigate around my computer, or would I prefer to work on a laptop, browse on an iPad, or watch a film on my big TV? The more traditional tech still overrules it and I’m not a single man where I do those things on my own.

 

[klasma]

Thinking this will literally take 50 years is absolutely maddening.

50 years ago was 1974.

In 1974, the Xerox Alto existed, a desktop computer with a bitmapped display, 3-button-mouse, keyboard, and a GUI (and which inspired the Lisa and the Mac). That’s essentially still what we use today for productive work. There’s a good chance that’s what will still be used in 50 years.

The other thing is, we have no idea at present how to achieve 3D AR/VR in a glasses form factor. This will require technological leaps whose timing can’t be predicted. They could come in ten years, or never. It’s in a similar category as FSD cars or fusion reactors.

 

[Jim Lahey]

It’s a marvellous piece of technology. Truly impressive. But that’s the full extent of it.

Outside of tech forums I don’t know one single person that is remotely interested in it. If the subject comes up, the entire concept is roundly rejected.

 

[f1vespeed]

Step 1. They need to make it comfortable to wear, at least by adding a third hoist point at the forehead on the device so the dual strap can lift it from the heavy part and distribute weight longitudinally. If it stops feeling like Ridley Scott's alien baby facehugger we're in business, we at least have a good pair of TV goggles.

They simply cannot make it the heaviest device and give it the worst possible mounting solution again in gen 2.

 

[Ghost31]

The AVP is likely less iPhone and more HomePod.


I’m not sure I understand why so many here seem to be emotionally invested in the success of this product. The truth is, the AVP does have some good tech and seems to be engineered well, but it doesn’t solve any problem.

At this point seems to have ignited more interest in the Quest 3, which is currently the better product.

How the next two versions iterate on the current model remains to be seen, but at this time there really isn’t anything to justify buying it now. I have zero issue with this product failing as releasing a half baked product at $3,500 is the epitome of Apples’ hubris.

Well said, and I couldn’t agree more. I think people are excited about this technology, and I try not to bum them out about it but I don’t see this being a computing revolution instantly like the iPhone was. So people can stop bringing up the iPhone already. I think this will be more of a niche product kind of like the HomePod Where it exists in Apple’s product line and people tend to like it, but most people just don’t buy it.

 

[Ghost31]

it replaces every Apple device…lol the future is not carrying an iphone, apple watch airpods pro, ipad, macbook…like most do today…agreed that gen 1 is not going to do that now, but the writing is in the wall…I am truly baffled how people to see that…when I on my AVP, I don’t you any other apple device I own, none…geez I don’t even use my 85 inch 4k tv or my 120 inch 4k projector…this thing replaces SO many devices

Oh my God dude people here love to act like they are the next Steve Jobs and they can just envision the future and what it’s gonna be like but people just end up falling flat on their face and looking silly when they are completely off base like this. No, the Apple Vision Pro will never replace the Apple Watch what the hell man. You think this is going to be a fitness and time telling device that people can just easily go to the gym with? Really man? Do you think it’s gonna replace AirPods? Were you even serious saying that what did you include that by mistake?

Like instead of putting an AirPods and listening to music, I’m gonna have these speakers on a strap above my head? So everyone else can listen to and nothing is private and there’s no such thing as noise canceling?

Can we just be realistic for one second here? In the future in Apple vision product might replace monitors for some and even iPads for others but the iPad will still exist because people will still want it and there are going to be a lot of people that just don’t want to put something on their head ever no matter how small it gets. People are getting way too emotional and letting the hype overruled their way to think critically about things and understand how technology integrates in our lives. Apple vision is a cool product but it’s not gonna replace every single thing that Apple makes.