M1 issues: post them all here!

[Diskutant]

Agreed that's what I use. I kinda like the click of the Taptic Engine. It really does feel like the trackpad is pressing down when its not

But if you use the tap to click feature you won’t have the Taptic Engine doing anything.

 

[Diskutant]

You can also set it to be "Silent clicking" if you'd prefer that.

That options seems to be broken though. Nothing changes when activating that.

 

[Stitch666]

Not so much an issue, but just wondering my machine (MBP, 16gb) is constantly using over 11gb ram with just a couple of safari tabs open and a couple of preview documents open. Why would it be using so much? I'd be very surprised if the 8gb model couldn't manage this light workload...?

Not sure if mine is much better. In fact I actually saw Facebook reload earlier (during a message I was typing) as the RAM went into red. Must admit at this stage I'm a bit disappointed as a very non heavy user!

 

[Sanpete]

Not sure if mine is much better. In fact I actually saw Facebook reload earlier (during a message I was typing) as the RAM went into red. Must admit at this stage I'm a bit disappointed as a very non heavy user! View attachment 1685300

How much RAM did you have on your previous platform?

WindowServer must be scaling or something. You have some non-native apps, too. In any case, looks like you need to shell out for 16GB if that's your normal.

 

[Stitch666]

How much RAM did you have on your previous platform?

WindowServer must be scaling or something. You have some non-native apps, too. In any case, looks like you need to shell out for 16GB if that's your normal.

I had a windows surface laptop before with 8gb RAM. This is the first Mac I have had. I went for this as the Surface sounds like it is going to take off in video conferencing etc. Nearly all the advice seemed to say that 99.9% of non power users would be okay with 8gb of RAM. Surely I am the most basic of users - I'm a student, so all I use is MS Teams, safari and office applications. In the use case above I haven't even opened Word yet. I can't believe running Teams, Apple Music, and safari with 3 or 4 tabs, the native mail and calendar app means I have to jump to 16gb of RAM.

 

[Sanpete]

I had a windows surface laptop before with 8gb RAM. This is the first Mac I have had. I went for this as the Surface sounds like it is going to take off in video conferencing etc. Nearly all the advice seemed to say that 99.9% of non power users would be okay with 8gb of RAM. Surely I am the most basic of users - I'm a student, so all I use is MS Teams, safari and office applications. In the use case above I haven't even opened Word yet. I can't believe running Teams, Apple Music, and safari with 3 or 4 tabs, the native mail and calendar app means I have to jump to 16gb of RAM.

It's not just power usage but how well apps are optimized for the M1, so some power users are doing well with 8GB with native Mac apps, and even some non-native ones that play well on the M1, and some non-power users aren't because other apps, or even just one app or page, cause more trouble. The Surface no doubt has advantages that way for some of your apps, though at some cost in other ways, as you noticed!

Using an external monitor or scaling your screen may also be factor, if that's what's causing WindowServer to use a fair chunk of your memory. That's more than the usual amount in my experience.

If you want to try to make it work better without spending the extra money, you could try shutting down one program you think might be a problem, see if that works well, and then see if there's a way to adjust settings or use of the problematic program so it fits better. And try different motitor scaling.

 

[Cosmo M3]

• Sometimes my Logitech MX3 won't respond to it's assigned keys (requires restart)
• External monitor blinks a few times everytime I plug it in for the first time
• The top toolbar is sometimes non-respondent and had to do a hard reset

 

[Graham King]

When I unplug from the computer the cable that connects to my Caldigit TS3 hub, my M1 MacBook Pro immediately shuts down and reboots.

 

[ikenstein]

Posted this as a new thread but will post here as well:

I have the Logitech MX Master Wireless Mouse and K750 Wireless Solar Keyboard. Both about 4 years old. They have always worked flawlessly with my mid 2010 27" iMac, but both are being intermittently unresponsive when paired with my M1 MacBook Pro 16GB/1TB using the unifying receiver through my CalDigit TS3 Plus.

Any suggestions? It's very frustrating. Even typing out this post took much longer than it should have since both go in and out constantly.

Thanks in advance!

edit: solved. The TS3 plus was interfering. Used a USB extension

 

[Chris3gx]

• The top toolbar is sometimes non-respondent and had to do a hard reset

If this is happening as a result of connecting to the external display (which is when it happens to me), I found that restarting windowserver fixes it without the need to reboot.

 

[gank41]

Check out this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/i-am-really-torn-between-8gb-vs-16gb-ram.2270446/

There are over 500 posts now.

I wonder how much RAM Chrome would need to display all 500+ posts on one page..

 

[Stitch666]

It's not just power usage but how well apps are optimized for the M1, so some power users are doing well with 8GB with native Mac apps, and even some non-native ones that play well on the M1, and some non-power users aren't because other apps, or even just one app or page, cause more trouble. The Surface no doubt has advantages that way for some of your apps, though at some cost in other ways, as you noticed!

Using an external monitor or scaling your screen may also be factor, if that's what's causing WindowServer to use a fair chunk of your memory. That's more than the usual amount in my experience.

If you want to try to make it work better without spending the extra money, you could try shutting down one program you think might be a problem, see if that works well, and then see if there's a way to adjust settings or use of the problematic program so it fits better. And try different motitor scaling.

Thanks for the response. I guess you are right, the combination of non-native apps (MS Teams mainly) and using an external monitor (at default resolution) seems to have such a massive RAM hit that I don't think this machine is for me. Its a shame really as I'm a research student and we communicate via face time and iMessage so I had been balancing an iPad and a windows machine and was hoping to have one machine to do it all. It also appears to suggest that most students that are using office etc are going to run into the same issue. I am surprised that no one is mentioning this and al the focus is on benchmarks and video editing etc - all I want to do is have Word and safari with more than a few tabs, and then the usual stuff like mail, calendar etc. Guess I'll have to wait for some optimisation or a few more months until I can afford a 16gb machine.

 

[TrueBlou]

My biggest issue - I don’t get to play with the damn thing until Christmas. Seriously, it’s torture knowing it’s there and I can’t have it...... I’m not known for my patience

 

[dmikos]

Question for m1 owners.

Issues in this videos are true?

 

[Lichqueen]

Have little problem on my Mac Mini with Dell U3219Q:
Using USB-C cable, when reboot or shutdown then startup, the mon has no signal, I need turn off and on the mon to get back to normal. But wakeup from sleep do not have any problem. Anyone have same problem with this mon or other mon?

 

[jdb8167]

Question for m1 owners.

Issues in this videos are true?

Second video conclusion is funny. He condemns the M1 and says wait for another CPU? Or you know maybe MacOS 11.1? Driver bugs are probably not hardware failures.

 

[Sanpete]

Thanks for the response. I guess you are right, the combination of non-native apps (MS Teams mainly) and using an external monitor (at default resolution) seems to have such a massive RAM hit that I don't think this machine is for me. Its a shame really as I'm a research student and we communicate via face time and iMessage so I had been balancing an iPad and a windows machine and was hoping to have one machine to do it all. It also appears to suggest that most students that are using office etc are going to run into the same issue. I am surprised that no one is mentioning this and al the focus is on benchmarks and video editing etc - all I want to do is have Word and safari with more than a few tabs, and then the usual stuff like mail, calendar etc. Guess I'll have to wait for some optimisation or a few more months until I can afford a 16gb machine.

Those used to using non-native programs on Macs mostly have more advanced machines for it, since in the past it generally required substantial additional drains on processing. You're new to that, so I understand the disappointment. The M1s may turn out to be better for a lot of that than past Macs in the long run.

Don't give up yet, if you have time left before you return it. Fiddle with it to see if you can get it to work for you. If not, I hope you can find something better.

 

[polaris20]

Question for m1 owners.

Issues in this videos are true?

I can summarize: "I bought a first gen product on a xx.0 release of the OS. OMFG, there are bugs!!"

 

[johnalan]

I have kernel panics on reboot with my M1.

Though I had the same on the 16inch MBP that it replaced for the same issue, and I have the same on my work MBP 15inch, which only has corporate software on it.

macOS is pretty good, but not being able to shutdown without KP is insane.

This seems to occur as soon as I add stuff like homebrew, iTerm2 and basic stuff like that.

panic(cpu 1 caller 0xfffffe00298e5ca8): watchdog timeout: no checkins from watchdogd in 304 seconds (60 totalcheckins since monitoring last enabled), shutdown in progress
Debugger message: panic
Memory ID: 0x6
OS release type: User
OS version: 20B29
Kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 20.1.0: Sat Oct 31 00:07:10 PDT 2020; root:xnu-7195.50.7~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101
Fileset Kernelcache UUID: xxxx
Kernel UUID: x-x-x-x-x
iBoot version: iBoot-6723.50.2
secure boot?: YES
Paniclog version: 13
KernelCache slide: 0x000000001ed20000
KernelCache base:  0xfffffe0025d24000
Kernel slide:      0x000000001f98c000
Kernel text base:  0xfffffe0026990000
Kernel text exec base:  0xfffffe0026a58000
mach_absolute_time: 0x16738aac7db
Epoch Time:        sec       usec
  Boot    : 0x5fc64f48 0x000eabeb
  Sleep   : 0x5fc947ef 0x00000529
  Wake    : 0x5fc9489e 0x0004539c
  Calendar: 0x5fc94c1d 0x000bcc79

CORE 0 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0026bc24d0
CORE 1 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0026bc100c
CORE 2 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0026bc24d0
CORE 3 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0026bc24d0
CORE 4 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0026bc24d4
CORE 5 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0026bc24d4
CORE 6 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0026bc24d4
CORE 7 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0026bc24d4
Total cpu_usage: 22776972
Thread task pri cpu_usage
0xfffffe166d1c5308 kernel_task 0 3770291
0xfffffe166d480658 kernel_task 0 5444721
0xfffffe166d478cb0 kernel_task 0 67503
0xfffffe166d479308 kernel_task 0 0
0xfffffe166d479960 kernel_task 0 7555266

Panicked task 0xfffffe166d1aeb88: 61318 pages, 451 threads: pid 0: kernel_task
Panicked thread: 0xfffffe166d480658, backtrace: 0xfffffe30678978c0, tid: 463
          lr: 0xfffffe0026aa5f7c  fp: 0xfffffe3067897930
          lr: 0xfffffe0026aa5d48  fp: 0xfffffe30678979a0
          lr: 0xfffffe0026bc77d0  fp: 0xfffffe30678979c0
          lr: 0xfffffe0026bb92fc  fp: 0xfffffe3067897a70
          lr: 0xfffffe0026a5f7e8  fp: 0xfffffe3067897a80
          lr: 0xfffffe0026aa59d8  fp: 0xfffffe3067897e10
          lr: 0xfffffe0026aa59d8  fp: 0xfffffe3067897e80
          lr: 0xfffffe002723de30  fp: 0xfffffe3067897ea0
          lr: 0xfffffe00298e5ca8  fp: 0xfffffe3067897ec0
          lr: 0xfffffe00298e54a8  fp: 0xfffffe3067897f00
          lr: 0xfffffe0027e2d5d8  fp: 0xfffffe3067897f20
          lr: 0xfffffe0027bae808  fp: 0xfffffe3067897fb0
          lr: 0xfffffe002719b7b4  fp: 0xfffffe3067897fc0
          lr: 0xfffffe0026bbbc00  fp: 0xfffffe3067897fe0
          lr: 0xfffffe0026a5f85c  fp: 0xfffffe3067897ff0
          lr: 0xfffffe0026acdde8  fp: 0xfffffe401a6dbee0
          lr: 0xfffffe0026acdff4  fp: 0xfffffe401a6dbf00
          lr: 0xfffffe0026a68e74  fp: 0x0000000000000000
      Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
         com.apple.driver.AppleInterruptController(1.0d1)[DF0378F6-BC0F-3E89-ACD4-0AB2DC713C3A]@0xfffffe0027bac000->0xfffffe0027baffff
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         com.apple.driver.watchdog(1.0)[50922304-6440-3C91-9EA0-A41A21C2D2DF]@0xfffffe00298e4000->0xfffffe00298e7fff
         com.apple.driver.AppleS5L8960XWatchDogTimer(1.0)[A467BA00-7A1A-344E-8097-9E6ECBB8867E]@0xfffffe0027e2c000->0xfffffe0027e2ffff
            dependency: com.apple.driver.AppleARMPlatform(1.0.2)[5B1A401F-6FD8-39CD-AE5A-34EF66E839F7]@0xfffffe0027394000->0xfffffe00273dffff
            dependency: com.apple.driver.watchdog(1)[50922304-6440-3C91-9EA0-A41A21C2D2DF]@0xfffffe00298e4000->0xfffffe00298e7fff
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOReportFamily(47)[E9EB2287-9D5B-3323-AB8E-C8C0D2DD7096]@0xfffffe0028e8c000->0xfffffe0028e8ffff

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[rhaezorblue]

also, MacBook Pro M1 512/8gb using a cal digit dock. When the computer wakes from sleep the external monitor won't reconnect. Have to either restart the machine or unplug the monitor from the dock and plug directly into the MacBook

1. I have the exact same M1 config as you, minus the dock. My LG 4K@60hz monitor is connected directly to my Mac via USB-C and it will not wake up after sleeping.
   • I did figure out how to fix it, which also probably identifies where the incompatibility is: In the LG monitor menu settings, I changed the USB-C ports DisplayPort version from 1.4 to 1.2 and it has worked every time now.
   • Since the above worked I was able to acquire a Lenovo dock, connect to USB-C to the Mac. Dock connects to LG 4K monitor via DisplayPort and has worked just fine now.
2. Ethernet via USB-C from Lenovo dock does not function. Dock has ethernet link lights, and I can see my MacBook Air has an assigned IP address in my router, but there's no internet connection.

 

[bloodbuzz_ohio]

Guys just had something strange happen (MacBook Pro M1):

I wanted to put the MacBook to sleep, but nothing happened. Screen was still on etc. tried like 3 times. Closed the lid, opened and screen came back on again but still on my desktop no password asking no nothing. Then the screen went like, DIM. I almost couldn’t see anything. Closed the lid and opened again, same thing but the screen was visible again with regular brightness. I just gave up and decided to fully shut down the MacBook.

Has anyone experienced something similar?

Also I’ve noticed sometimes when listening to music I’ll hear a small ratheling or popping sound for like half a second.

 

[strangeengine]

iMovie crashes or spins endlessly after importing video from an AIM SmartyCam. Same video works fine on the same version of iMovie on an Intel MBP. QuickTime also has some issues playing the video so I assume the problem is in the base media libraries.

I filed feedback on it.

 

[bxs]

So I’m curious to see what issues will be popping up with M1 Macs once more users start using them. Please post it here!

Here is what I just stumbled upon:

I threw a heavy CPU and Memory load on my stock 8GB RAM Mac mini (M1, 2020), it worked hard for maybe 10 minutes, and it then eventually panicked. It ran out of available memory for applications (Activity Monitor showing large amounts or red in its memory pressure graph), became sluggish and gave in to a system panic. Report sent to Apple.

Worst of all, I cannot connect to my several Promise Pegasus units, but have been informed this should be fixed by mid Dec.

Apart from the above, this Mac mini is solid, runs all of my daily tasks using the Apple bundled applications with ease, and with no issues at all, and is a marvel of design IMO.

Just as a comparison, I threw the same heavy CPU and Memory load on my iMac Pro and it had absolutely no problem handling it. Mind you, it had 10 cores and 128 GB RAM.

 

[Sanpete]

I threw a heavy CPU and Memory load on my stock 8GB RAM Mac mini (M1, 2020), it worked hard for maybe 10 minutes, and it then eventually panicked. It ran out of available memory for applications (Activity Monitor showing large amounts or red in its memory pressure graph), became sluggish and gave in to a system panic. Report sent to Apple.

Hard to tell if that should be considered an issue or just a limit to be expected with your machine. What did you try to get it to do?

 

[jdb8167]

Hard to tell if that should be considered an issue or just a limit to be expected with your machine. What did you try to get it to do?

A user land kernel panic is always an issue. Luckily they tend to be some of the easiest bugs to fix because of the detailed forensic stack trace generated at the moment the panic occurs.