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Krizoitz

macrumors 68000
Apr 26, 2003
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Tokyo, Japan
Why do wives never understand why we need to keep things for as long as they’re still serviceable, or for as long as they can provide spare parts.

My wife’s current obsession is trying to get me to dispose of the 30 odd old laptops I have in the spare room. They’re doing no one any harm. I’ve even suggested she can use one of the boxes as a footstool when she’s doing her crafts. But is that good enough for her, nooooo :D

Why do mysognists assume that all wives are the same?
 

grmatt

macrumors 6502
Jan 19, 2010
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Research says that 13% of any base will complain if given the chance. My mother would go to steak restaurants buy fish and complain it wasn’t fresh. She would do the same if we went to a fish restaurant.

Some people feel that nothing is right if they can’t find something to complain about.
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Adamantoise

macrumors 6502a
Aug 1, 2011
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That’s a different story. WiFi 5/6 are pretty capable of delivering high speeds, and it’s available everywhere. Instead, I would rather see USB-A port.. there are still so many devices with USB-A.. the USB-C revolution didn’t happen as Apple expected..

It's a pro device, it should have an ethernet port according to the arguments in this thread.

Btw, ethernet is used for more than getting access to the internet (not being snarky, not sure if you know).
 

MrTSolar

macrumors 6502
Jun 8, 2017
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With having to replace the only port on my Nephew's 2015 12" MacBook, I'm glad to see MagSafe return. Would've been nice to be backwards compatible with MagSafe 2 so those with 2013 MacBooks don't have to change chargers (unless it is and I missed it?).

Overall, I was actually impressed by Apple's presentation of the new MacBook Pro. Ports, power, and portability, and even a knock against the car-priced Mac Pro. What's not to like, except that they still haven't done anything about that wrist-slicing cutout on the bottom case (the reason I went with the Air the last time)? That SD card slot comes in handy if you use any camera other than an iPhone or just need more local storage (C'Mon, Apple just gave you an out to their overpriced storage choices. Throw a 256 GB low-profile card in there and enjoy the cost savings).
 
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Fishrrman

macrumors Penryn
Feb 20, 2009
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As far as I'm concerned... the more ports... and the more varied they are... the better.
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spiderman0616

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Aug 1, 2010
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The kind of users that need a MacBook Pro need that SD slot. And that's not a small group.

I do think though that many of you are missing what these machines represent. It's not only just new MBPs. For the first time in a LONG time, the Pro on these machines might actually mean Pro. And that often means more input options, which definitely includes SD cards. I really think it's been so long that you could argue that a Mac portable was geared toward an actual professional user, that we all still think we need these. I bet 99% of us don't.

I do things on my Macs that are power and RAM hungry. My 2019 Intel handles them ok enough for what I do. My M1 handles them faster than I even have time to think about it. That tells me I already have the right tools for the job. I will upgrade to another Air whenever they refresh them. The only SD card I still even own is the one in my Switch. Everything else I have works with USB-C now.
 

theorist9

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May 28, 2015
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No, no. I'm just saying it wouldn't *just* be possible to take bandwidth from a potential extra Thunderbolt port and use it for HDMI or other video out, if the Thunderbolt port does not already carry video through said bandwidth - but I guess TB does do exactly that so I don't even really remember what my point was
Yeah, while that was an interesting piece of info., I couldn't see how that would be relevant to my calculation. My concern was your answer made it look like my calculation was missing something because of that, when it in fact it wasn't. I.e., if there is a problem with my calculation of how much bandwidth there should be left for CFExpress after accounting for HDMI 2.0, it isn't because of that.
 

0423MAC

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Jun 30, 2020
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Could you please explain who the core user are? You sort of forgot that in the reply. I am surprised that it is OK to have dongle for the 10 Gb ethernet port (professional port) but not for a SD card (which is after not really high end port). Inconsistent.

Presenter have long time adapted to dongles because anything can meet you at different location. HDMI is on the way to be standard but it is not there yet as VGA is still used. I think the same situation exist in the camera cards.
I already broke down the core user example. The core users looking for a $1000 MacBook Air is not the same as those looking for the 16” maxed out notchbook pro.

Also, regarding Ethernet - I agree with you it should probably be there for the sake of convenience. I think that’s slightly a different argument though since WiFi has improved dramatically and is so ubiquitous at this point. You CAN connect to the internet without that port, you just prefer wired. You CAN’T plug in an SD card or display without hoping that the other device you have can connect to your MacBook wirelessly and allow data to flow through.

I’m actually a bit surprised I can’t find a straight Ethernet-USB-C cable without the need of a dongle, but maybe the demand just isn’t there for a company to commit the resources to create one at mass scale. Seems like an expensive cable Anker would provide.
 
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Madonepro

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Mar 16, 2011
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Well speak for yourself. First thing I did was plug in my hdmi cable to run my dell monitor from work and I also use the SD card from my camera occasionally.

Also all the projectors I come across for work no matter at which agency or hotel meeting rooms use hdmi and people never seem to have the right dongle with them.

SKY is also blocking AirPlay so it’s nice to have to option to stream from my laptop to the tv

I do the same. Except I found an easy solution, I bought the dongle, and attached it to the HDMI cable, and left it there. No way was I travelling with a HDMI cable, so just left it on. I did buy a Twelve South dongle, for when out an about, but have never used it. The entire non Apple world has gone usb-c anyways.
All the fuss about SD cards, but most that use them, will need an adaptor for the myriad of different cards out there.
 

Exponent

macrumors 6502
Jul 17, 2002
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Silicon Valley
10 Gb Ethernet is nice but not that commonly used in offices or homes because the switches and routers are quite expensive. It’s definitely not mainstream for consumer devices, or even “pro laptops”. Outside of data centres, I’ve only seen it for fast connections to NAS devices.
...and last I checked 10GbE chips had huge power requirements. When I looked at a 10 GbE Thunderbolt "dongle" about a year ago, it was a box with a lot of heat radiating structures on it....
 

Analog Kid

macrumors G3
Mar 4, 2003
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Now you can get splitters and run 6 devices each with the same amount of bandwidth as before.
I'm not bandwidth limited. I'd imagine most people aren't in a portable machine. I'm port limited. I, and everyone who wants an additional port on the right side of their machine can carry a hub, or the ever declining few who need full sized SD can add a card reader to their camera bag. If that's the tradeoff, I would prefer the later.
 

Vermifuge

macrumors 68020
Mar 7, 2009
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It's a pro device, it should have an ethernet port according to the arguments in this thread.

Btw, ethernet is used for more than getting access to the internet (not being snarky, not sure if you know).
I would agree if we were talking about a desktop.
 

Analog Kid

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Mar 4, 2003
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Analog Kid

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Mar 4, 2003
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And what makes you think that would happen? Maybe Apple would just have kept it to 3 USB-C ports? Maybe they would have added another MagSafe on that side. Or audio Jack. Or mini-display port. You have no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate that this was a choice between another USB port OR an SD Port. Heck Apple could have done BOTH.
Nothing. I'm merely stating my preference.

Adding an opening would mean redesigning the speakers-- which wouldn't be an issue for me either but, again, my preference would be to keep the speakers, remove the SD, and add a USB-C port.
 

Analog Kid

macrumors G3
Mar 4, 2003
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The only “required” port is power. Everything else is optional.
Agreed.

Meanwhile for someone who finds arguments about what “Pro” means absurd you sure do seem to be spending a lot of time arguing about that.
I don't think I've said anywhere in this thread what I think Pro means in the name MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, iPhone Pro or anything else. I have stated that I think arguments that "the industry" needs SD cards is misguided and not sufficient justification for including the port in the MBP, and then have spent a lot of time responding to people arguing with me on that point.

Maybe you should spend less time pointing out that someone spends too much time arguing something you haven't spent enough time contextualizing?
 

Analog Kid

macrumors G3
Mar 4, 2003
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12,603
...and last I checked 10GbE chips had huge power requirements. When I looked at a 10 GbE Thunderbolt "dongle" about a year ago, it was a box with a lot of heat radiating structures on it....
Yeah, I've noticed the same. If the power hasn't come down by now, I suspect it's a limitation of the standard-- high data rates over long runs. Optical is probably the only way around it.
 

WolfSnap

macrumors 65816
Sep 18, 2012
1,112
1,003
SoCal
Loving the MagSafe, but honestly the HDMI and SD Card slot are a waste. Should have just given us the 4th Thunderbolt-4 port and called it a day.
 
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muxed

macrumors newbie
Feb 21, 2008
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I'm using an SD card right now on a technical product photo shoot with $10,000 of 60 MP camera, lenses, lighting, and computer-controlled rigging.

Now that the SD card reader is built into my MaxBook, I no longer have to track down the card reader, have it sticking out of the laptop, or face ridiculous card reading failures due to poor USB-C connection issues. In the future I'll have to move to CFExpress, but that doesn't apply to this PROFESSIONAL job.

Grow up. You don't know squat.

Anecdotal, but making me a little jealous to be honest.

My point.

Unnecessarily combative and, frankly, wrong.
I cant really argue with you about what you prefer but what I can say as a video professional is that every one I know in the industry has lamented the removal of the sd port and is really excited about the inclusion. both my c70 and r5 take sd ports and with such high bit rates, media gets very expensive. To not have to worry about bringing a dongle is a game changer for dumping cards during a shoot. What we do know is that sd cards have been around and evolved with the same for factor for a long time CFexpress is new. Before that cameras were using CFast cards which seems to have been replaced by CFexpress.
 

darngooddesign

macrumors P6
Jul 4, 2007
18,366
10,126
Atlanta, GA
There is nothing more varied than a port that is capable of become any port you want or need.
It’s much more limiting to have single use ports, if they’re not the ports you need.
An SD Slot always acts as an SD Slot, while a USB-C port does not if you forget your dongle/reader. So all that variety is useless without the extra thing.
 
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cupcakes2000

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Apr 13, 2010
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An SD Slot always acts as an SD Slot, while a USB-C port does not if you forget your dongle/reader. So all that variety is useless without the extra thing.
Cool beans if it’s the port you need, as I said. If it’s not then it’s pointless. It can never be changed into what you prefer. It’s always there and forever wasted.

Argue all you want but the point I’m making is valid. The fact that usbc ports are multipurpose and can be whatever you choose - and the others are single use and if you don’t need them are worthless, is an undeniable fact.
 

darngooddesign

macrumors P6
Jul 4, 2007
18,366
10,126
Atlanta, GA
Cool beans if it’s the port you need, as I said. If it’s not then it’s pointless. It can never be changed into what you prefer. It’s always there and forever wasted.

Argue all you want but the point I’m making is valid. The fact that usbc ports are multipurpose and can be whatever you choose - and the others are single use and if you don’t need them are worthless, is an undeniable fact.
SD is what I use so Im happy with their choice. If you don't, just carry a dongle for the USBC port.
 

JouniS

macrumors 6502a
Nov 22, 2020
638
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Argue all you want but the point I’m making is valid. The fact that usbc ports are multipurpose and can be whatever you choose - and the others are single use and if you don’t need them are worthless, is an undeniable fact.
A C compiler is a multi-purpose app you can use to create any app you want. End users still often prefer the convenience of special-purpose apps over the flexibility of a multi-purpose compiler – to the point that the compiler isn't often even installed by default.
 
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