Agree. Since very large flat-screen TVs have become relatively cheap, I only see projectors in very large meeting rooms or conference halls. HDMI is everwhere, and occassionally I see an selection of cable or adaptors attached to the cables with ties. Some have mini-DisplayPort (used on quite a few laptops) but I can't recall ever seeing a full-size DP connector in a meeting room.
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M1 Max MBP has all these unnecessary ports….WTF?!
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I'm not convinced that SD will be less common on cameras in the future. CFe (type A or B) is only needed for high video bitrates and for shorter buffer clearing times. Unless there are big sensors and fast frame rates then the latter is not an issue cf Canon's R5 @ 45mp @20fps @ 13bit. Until 45mp sensors are common then 8k won't be an option and even then, codecs will reduce the bit rate needed eg Sony A1 can use CFe Type A but most users are only using UHS-ii SD cards due to the cost/size limitations of CFe Type A cards.
SD cards are also physically smaller (albeit not as rugged) and also have less heart build up compared to CFe.
I am also not convinced that UHS-iii cards will ever be made in quantity but perhaps SD Express in a few years.
DLSRs have been used for video since the Canon 5Dii so it is possible and has been for a long time. Clearly the OVF cannot be used ie only the rear LCD. Mirrorless have the advantage of EVF and distributed focus points across the sensor which is a limitation for DSLR. The Canon 1Dxiii for instance has better auto focus using live view mode because of this. Definitely not ideal ergonomics though. The 1D series have always had excellent video capabilities outside of dedicated video cameras.
The camera industry uses memory cards that exist and there is nothing that fits a USB-c for memory storage in a camera (non high end video cameras aside) so Apple could never convince the camera industry to change. Including a CFe Type B card slot would definitely help a few photographers such as myself but my camera is dual UHS-ii/CFe Type B so either is okay. When I record 8k raw or 4k120 then I need to use my CFe card reader.
So no regression to SD which is a current standard and ongoing use by a large number of people and perhaps a large % of MBP users.
"Pro" is a poor word to use in general as is ill defined but there are only a couple of cameras that are dual CFe card slot and at the pointy price end of market segmentation. 200-300MB/s is sufficient for almost all purposes at the moment including 45mp @ 20fps @ 13 bit. The CFexpress card will be faster to clear the buffer but not a massive difference. "The industry" will not move from SD because it is cheaper, smaller, less heat, ubiquitous, and USH-ii meets all the current (and near term future) needs. When 8k raw/ 4k120 becomes a standard for low-medium end cameras then I agree CFe will be needed.
The Canon 5Dii will be remembered for the first hybrid still/video camera which revolutionised video to more mainstream usage. You can get good video AF using live view and also not good video AF - depends on what you want to pay. The Canon 1DXiii has great video AF for instanceUnlike SD cards, which are good, DSLR video and their video AF is poor.
Correct. Compact Flash is not used anymore but only some cameras are using CFe Type B and only one camera with CFe Type A. If the camera is not recording 8k or 4k120 then you don't need CFe
UHS-iii won't hit commercial manufacturing and SD Express slots are only backward compatible with UHS-i not UHS-ii or UHS-iii cards which are available and used today. SD Express cards may be available in a few years but it is more likely that cameras that need that speed will use existing CFe Type B cards even if they are bigger, generate more heat. They will definitely be cheaper than initial SDexpress cards for the same capacity as well
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Crikey! are we still talking about a debacle when newer firmware has provided ~20minutes of 8k raw (which no other hybrid camera can do), Unlimited 4k60 to external recorder which if you were serious about video then you would use as the internal cards are expensive. Not to mention that the Ninja V+ can now record 8k.
The R5 doesn't have any recording limit (besides 30 minutes internally) in any video mode except 8k, 4k60 or 4k120. ie only limited by your card/battery life.
If you want a dedicated video camera for long format interviews then buy one suited to that purpose.
Sony's A1 has a dual CFe Type A and UHS-ii SD card slot. An elegant solution but only Sony makes a CFE Type A card and they are expensive and limited in capacity compared to CFe Type B cards. "Most" A1 users are relying on only SD cards due to cost and no need for the higher bit rates and when it was released, they were hard to find.
UHS-iii cards don't exist. Even if they are, then UHS-iii is not backward compatible with UHS-ii speeds ie they fall back to UHS-i speed so it would have been worse for current users to put in a UHS-iii slot.
I don't expect UHS-iii cards to be commercially available. Maybe SD Express in a couple of years but CFe Type B will be well entrenched by then and available at a cheaper cost.
This could be seen as a tacit admission by Apple that they weren’t able to move the market in the direction they had hoped. People are too married to their HDMI cables and SD cards and simply resorted to using dongles to get around them and usb c accessories haven’t quite taken off the way Apple had hoped.
Which is weird when you think about it. Most laptops have at least 1 usb c port these days, but not everyone has a HDMI port due to their thinness.
It took forever to move beyond VGA, and it will probably be another eternity before people are ready to switch from HDMI to usb c. Feels a bit like a belated middle finger from Apple. You all complained that you wanted HDMI, I will give you HDMI, but you will still have to use your usb c port for all your fancy, hi-res monitors.
Yes, I think SD-Express has missed the boat; CFExpress has too much traction in the market with a wide selection of media (at least in Type-B format).
AFAIK, there are no production cameras that support SD-Express at the moment. The backward compatibility to only UHS-I is also a deal-breaker for many people. People who need SD-Express speed are probably already using UHS-II so all of their media gets downgraded to UHS-I speeds if they buy a camera with only SD-Express slots.
I came from a 2013 MBP to M1max and guess what... I still don't need a dongle! HDMI and SD card works perfectly for my usage. I remember thinking to upgrade my MBP last year and thought about how much it would cost for a hub/dongles for my needs and this is now a cost avoidance for me... winner winner
The R5 overheating was fun for a bit of YouTube content, and I agree, not many people are recording 30 minutes of 8K footage at a time to internal storage. Lots of short takes with no recovery time would probably get you to the same point though. What has your experience been like?
There was another YouTube film-maker (a French guy I think?) who had loads of issues with the R6 shooting a documentary in 4K. No idea if these issues have been fixed now, but it did put me off getting a Canon R6/R5 for video work. Sounds like a great stills camera though.
yes, the R5 is using 4:2:2 H265 and the M1 chips (and iPad pro) have onboard hardware codecs but Intel doesn't so it is much much slower in PCs. There are a few youtube videos showing this problem and then scrubbing 8k raw files on a iPad with dropping frames.... a bit embarrassing for Intel. Avoiding transcoding / proxies is a blessing.The Canon R5 codec seems to be tough on computers; MaxTech's videos were often bemoaning the difficulty in editing the unoptimised footage until they got their new MacBook Pros
I saw your comment after my replyThanks - I think I quoted from the same review article of the R5
I shoot sports and landscape and astrolandscapes and underwater and macro at times.... occasionally portraits!
20fps is fun but can be an issue with banding indoors as the read speed on the electronic shutter isn't super fast. Also 13 bit fore shutter vs 14bit for mechanical so I use it for most shooting conditions
You are right.. I moved from a 5Div to R5 last year and the 5Div is still available and hasn't been discounted much if at all. A great camera but can't compare to the R5. I won't debate "professional". I don't make any money from photography but there are lots that make do with lower priced cameras.
Apple previously assumed that consumers will move forward with new tech as fast as it becomes available; they have now reset their expectations.This could be seen as a tacit admission by Apple that they weren’t able to move the market in the direction they had hoped. People are too married to their HDMI cables and SD cards and simply resorted to using dongles to get around them and usb c accessories haven’t quite taken off the way Apple had hoped.
Which is weird when you think about it. Most laptops have at least 1 usb c port these days, but not everyone has a HDMI port due to their thinness.
It took forever to move beyond VGA, and it will probably be another eternity before people are ready to switch from HDMI to usb c. Feels a bit like a belated middle finger from Apple. You all complained that you wanted HDMI, I will give you HDMI, but you will still have to use your usb c port for all your fancy, hi-res monitors.
HDMI and SD will be like VGA and Ethernet (on laptops) - it will take many years to disappear because it still has utility for many people.
I don't think I've ever used a monitor with USB-C / DisplayPort in a corporate office. The desks generally have fairly cheap 23-24" 1080p monitors, that have a variety of HDMI, DVI or full-size DisplayPort connectors. I bought a couple of USB-C to HDMI / DisplayPort cables for use with my MBP16, or used a hub with an HDMI output. I still had to remember to pack either the cables or the hub though, so having an HDMI port for quick connections is helpful. Even if I don't bring my own HDMI-HDMI cable, these are very easy to find, even in convenience stores.
It's been 8 years since I last bought a MBP. No workarounds here, and thankfully no need for a workaround with the 14" M1 MBP I'm waiting on.
Apologies, the dual card slots are combined CFe Type A/SD card in the A1. An elegant solution but....
The main issue is that only Sony makes Type A cards and they are limited in capacity and a high cost. They were also hard to get when the A1 was released. I believe that a second supplier will be available next year. Type B cards are bigger, cheaper per GB, faster, higher capacity and widely available. They also generate more heat. The A1 doesn't record 8k raw so it didn't need the higher write speeds.
tiny percentage = 2 camera models at this time. Sony A1/a7siii. A7iv isn't available yet but will also use it.
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The outrage appeared to be limited to certain fanboys when the fact that being able to shoot 8k/30 raw at all was amazing in itself!
I mostly shoot short clips of 4k120 and 8k30 for frame grabs on my R5 and have more issues with running out of card space than record times/overheating. I was shooting indoor sports in 35-40C temperatures and only bursts of stills and I did get the warning as I have C3 custom mode set to one of the high bit rate video modes. Didn't affect any stills recording and I could have shot 4k/30 all day if I wanted to. You don't get the warning when shooting stills if your C3 custom mode isn't set to 4k120/8k etc.
I can't comment on the R6 record times though.
Canon have released a number of firmware improvements including new features in the last 15 months. Another one is due soon. Recording via Ninja V+ should address any outstanding issues for heavy video usage on the R5. Would have been ideal if this was available last year though.
2 cameras I think! A7Siii and A1
So even if you are shooting stills and not recording video, when the camera is in a high-frame-rate video mode it gives you a temperature warning? Why is that? presumably it's not recording video, so why would it heat up? Does it use loads of power in "standby mode" when turned on?
I haven't checked out the Ninja V+ yet, so if it can record 8K RAW, this is a good solution. At that level you'll be useing an external monitor in any case, so might as well just record to it as well.