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jeanlain

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Go back and read what I said "from the comparisons I've seen and done on mine". Don't mind putting in the effort to jump through hoops to set up games on my MBA M1 but not going to pay for Crossover and game genres like BG3 that I'm not into when it's effortless to game on the PC desktop and laptop or even the $400 Lenovo Yoga 6 that gets ~60fps @ 720p on Doom Eternal.
So have you done any comparison yourself?
 

leman

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Oct 14, 2008
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He's right. Rosetta has absolutely zero impact on GFXbench for instance (the test is 100% GPU bound, the CPU is hardly used).

Because GFXbench uses a simple rendering loop that is trivial for Rosetta to translate. Actual game logic is more complex and will introduce additional bottlenecks.

For Tomb Raider, I also believe it is GPU-bound at high resolution and I don't expect Rosetta 2 to have an impact.


Tomb Raider games are not bad Metal ports. In fact, SoTR performs better on macOS than on Windows if you have an intel iGPU.

Tomb raider is a bad port as these benchmarks clearly illustrate. If it were any good, you would get better scaling on faster Mac GPUs. Performance on Intel GPUs barely matters as this hardware is on the lowest part of the performance spectrum and many other factors start paying a role.
 

Jorbanead

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Aug 31, 2018
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So, do you know how to read?

Do you? They clearly asked what you have done and you responded with “this one” which doesn’t seem to be you.

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mi7chy

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People here debating if the M1 max is equivalent of a 3060 or a 3080 mobile and i'm here, just happy that we don't have to deal with intel iris sub low tier performance anymore.

Intel Xe on 11th gen is actually quite usable and better off than current M1/Pro/Max situation. Plus, you can complement with eGPU when plugged in.

 

leman

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Intel Xe on 11th gen is actually quite usable and better off than current M1/Pro/Max situation. Plus, you can complement with eGPU when plugged in.

Careful, that's a slippery slope. You will end up claiming that Classic Mac OS was better since it run Lemmings...
 

JimmyjamesEU

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Jun 28, 2018
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You can install and open them at all? Without the painful mess of Parallels or Crossover? That's probably how it's better.

Dual GPUs, which the Mac doesn't have, are also incredibly useful for type 1 hypervisor bare metal virtualization. Meaning you can install macOS on a PC, today, and get full native performance from a VM with no compatibility concerns or future software update anxiety.
Your first point is a feature of windows as a platform, not the Xe. Your second point is even more confused. You just finished talking about Parallels as a pain but now on windows having two gpus (one ****** one and one power sucking one) is a bonus for… virtual machines. Brilliant.

Also, you can get native performance on a Mac vm on the M1 right now.
 

jeanlain

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Don't mind putting in the effort to jump through hoops to set up games on my MBA M1 but not going to pay for Crossover
So your plan to compare gaming performance between a Mac and a PC involved using Crossover?
 

leman

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Oct 14, 2008
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Game compatibility, ease of setup/use and cost with equivalent fps and sometimes at higher quality setting than M1 Pro.

Well, these things were obvious from the start. Sorry, who here is actually arguing that Macs have better compatibility with current games or that they are cheaper than gaming laptops with similar performance levels? What you say is so trivial that I am wondering why you even mention it.

This thread so far is discussing gaming performance, not compatibility. We all know that compatibility sucks.
 

JimmyjamesEU

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You don't know the difference between type 1 and type 2 hypervisors, then. Parallels is a bag of "will it work? will it have glitches or slowdown?" for every single stupid game. Type 1 solutions are just the native OS at the hardware level that simply work.
Parallels will give you essentially native performance for a Mac vm. You discussed using a Mac vm, not gaming.

 
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