Maybe when you gain some experience you'll realize that hashcat is part of the suite of Phoronix benchmark suites. For others, it's a convenient results database of what tools are best at particular workloads.
https://openbenchmarking.org/tests
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M1 Pro/Max's GPU performance for gaming is quite poor.
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Maybe when you gain some experience you'll realize that hashcat is part of the suite of Phoronix benchmark suites. For others, it's a convenient results database of what tools are best at particular workloads.
https://openbenchmarking.org/tests
Just a heads up we’ve been down this road about 3-4 times in this thread alone, so Sunny, Vir and Mi7chy are going to regurgitate the same talking points over and over. A this point it’s not worth it. I don’t even think there is a clear understanding on what is actually being discussed in this thread as the goal posts and counter arguments seem to be going in all sorts of directions.
Are they ever gonna allow External GPU's via thunderbolt 4 to work on these ARM Macs?
I dont think I want to invest in ARM if you can't boost the graphics to avoid being slaughtered by all these awesome high end video cards coming out.
You cant upgrade your RAM, CPU, or SSD so please? Give us External GPU's ??
I dont think I want to invest in ARM if you can't boost the graphics to avoid being slaughtered by all these awesome high end video cards coming out.
You cant upgrade your RAM, CPU, or SSD so please? Give us External GPU's ??
Even if you think these new graphics cards are gonna “slaughter” the built in gpus, do you really think they’re gonna do it over thunderbolt?
CUDA is Nvidia only... it has nothing to do with the GPU in the new MacBook Pro M1 chips.
Does macOS bg3 have the same eye candy settings as win10? You need to compare apples to apples. There’s a huge boost in performance with certain settings if you turn them off like ray tracing.
If external GPUs were allowed, maybe Noveau (open source driver) could be ported to Apple Silicon. But it's not gonna happen.
Latest patch 6 currently unavailable on M1 architecture.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/0/3120424524436870283/
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Folks, folks.. you're really all just saying the same thing: Macbook M1 Pro/Max for to get work done and Xbox Series X for gamez. Both are uber quiet ! PC for those who want to do both work and gaming on the same machine and don't mind the sound of a blow dryer and the heat of a sauna in their room non-stop, along with a higher electricity bill.
CUDA does not work with open source driver, because Nvidia is just been evil like Apple and want to be closed.
You install Linux. Seriously, if you have some money to donate, support the Asahi Linux project, especially if you want to do something that Apple does not want to on Apple Silicon platforms.
Controversial take: Apple doesn't want to get into gaming not because they are prudes or ignorants or anything like that, but because they know they cannot win. People who want an easy-to-use experience in gaming are already on consoles, while hardcore gaming nerds will always choose PC because of extensibility and also prejudice against Apple products.
I think for sure they will expand their Arcade offer to try to use more of the M1 power, but it will always be an afterthought for them, never the mega gaming machine that half a dozen of people in the community want.
I think for sure they will expand their Arcade offer to try to use more of the M1 power, but it will always be an afterthought for them, never the mega gaming machine that half a dozen of people in the community want.
Apple will always, IMHO, go for the strategies that sells more of their products. Apple Arcade seems to be one of those strategy.
Going after the high end gamers market is likely never one of the strategies that Apple is considering, as most likely the engineering effort is high without much of a ROI. They will make frictions lower for game developers to develop for macOS and by extension iOS, tvOS (or maybe the other way around) and I think that's about it.
Gaming is a commodity and it's very hard to make profit in that segment. You can't sell a gaming device for several grands. And Apple is all about margins.
MS and Sony make no profit from console sales. They have the exclusive titles to compensate from the sale of games. If Apple were to make a gaming console, they would be too late to the party, especially after many game studies have been acquired by others.
Yet, a gaming console is the only way to get high-end games on Apple platforms. iPhones and iPads will always be limited by inconvenient controls (touch screen) and insufficient storage space. Macs are too expensive and their user base will never be large enough to attract games developers, considering that Mac users are probably less interested in gaming than the average PC user, to begin with.
MS and Sony make no profit from console sales. They have the exclusive titles to compensate from the sale of games. If Apple were to make a gaming console, they would be too late to the party, especially after many game studies have been acquired by others.
Yet, a gaming console is the only way to get high-end games on Apple platforms. iPhones and iPads will always be limited by inconvenient controls (touch screen) and insufficient storage space. Macs are too expensive and their user base will never be large enough to attract games developers, considering that Mac users are probably less interested in gaming than the average PC user, to begin with.
I follow Asahi Linux with great interest, because there is so much to learn from their work, but frankly, I have no interest in the delivery of the project. I have zero interest in running Linux natively since all my Linux needs are covered by Docker and virtual machines.
That said, I do think that Apple should implement PCIe to VM passthrough in their virtualization frameworks so that Linux machines can use eGPUs and other hardware.
There is a huge range of possibilities between "getting into gaming" and building a "mega gaming machine". I mean, it is obvious that Apple is not likely to offer dedicated gaming devices. But it is also obvious that the new Macs have been designed to be good at a wide range of tasks, gaming included. If Apple did not care about gaming at all, as often claimed here, thy would not go through the trouble of integrating advanced gaming-oriented features into their hardware and APIs. Monterey even has a gaming focus mode if you connect a controller...
But yeah, I don't see Apple buying game studios and getting into gaming business directly. It's risky and there is not much benefit for them. Their gambit is offering state of the art hardware and software and hoping that this (along with the popularity of the new machines) will be incentive enough for developers to start thinking about high-quality Mac versions for their games.
One interesting thing: one of my server program with end to end encryption constantly shows higher throughput in the Linux VM than on the host macOS(~13.3Gbit/s vs ~12.1Gbit/s, benchmarked on lo). However I cannot host that program on that Linux VM because I cannot use a fast-enough NIC(and good enough backend storage, of cause) for that VM. The bridged virtual NIC is capped at around 2Gbit/s, and this program cannot be hosted on macOS either because some of the underlying filesystem is not natively supported by macOS without using FUSE, and convert all of them to HFS+/APFS is clearly not a good option. If PCIe passthrough is a thing, or Asahi Linux is a great success, such workload would be feasible for a Mac Mini providing unrivaled power-efficiency without compromising performance. The same program running on Ryzen 9 3900x showing ~8.8Gbit/s where consumes much more power.
Submit a feature request to Apple. I will certainly do it, even though I have no direct use for PCIe passthrough. Apple has been much more open with these things recently, so I think if enough people show their interest they might just add it.
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Eve online
M1 (8 core GPU) - MBA w/16GB RAM
4K: 16 / 22 fps (AA on / off)
2.5K: 28 / 35 fps (AA on / off)
M1 Max (32 core GPU) - 16” MBP w/32GB RAM
4K: 70 / 100 fps (AA on / off)
2.5K: 115 / 120 fps (AA on / off)
RTX 3080 Ti (desktop)
4K: 140 / 140 fps (AA on / off)
2.5K: 150 / 150 fps (AA on / off)
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Eve online
M1 (8 core GPU) - MBA w/16GB RAM
4K: 16 / 22 fps (AA on / off)
2.5K: 28 / 35 fps (AA on / off)
M1 Max (32 core GPU) - 16” MBP w/32GB RAM
4K: 70 / 100 fps (AA on / off)
2.5K: 115 / 120 fps (AA on / off)
RTX 3080 Ti (desktop)
4K: 140 / 140 fps (AA on / off)
2.5K: 150 / 150 fps (AA on / off)
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As mentioned in the other thread, the RTX GPU is probably limited by the CPU. Good result nonetheless.
Could you explain? I feel like they could get into this for the same reason they make FCP and Logic (ok, not nearly the same, but as a way to utilise their technologies and show what's possible).
I guess I feel it's more up their wheelhouse than making TV shows, but they took on the latter.
No, it isnt, not in this game and in this scenario where ,as he mentioned in the other thread, the cpu is an desktop i9-11900K with an desktop 3080TI
And at this type of game the gpu is the most important...is not like starcraft that is an cpu hungry
Bottom line is that for proper games that takes adv of Apples hardware this gpu is impressive for 55-60W
Have a nice day to all of you, going to play with Maya
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FPC and Logic have a lot of clients of the Mac (which are still considered by many to be dedicated devices for content creation), but "big" gaming is much more difficult to get into. Frankly, I was also surprised that Apple would do TV shows, but we all have seen how that is going: these shows are absolutely terrible. Do we really want Apple to make terrible games now? There are certainly more than enough of those...