Me? I mean if you are using the Tensor Cores in an A6000 it should be faster than a 3090FE. I am not sure if I would say 40% faster though.
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M1 Pro/Max's GPU performance for gaming is quite poor.
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I am quite confident that in a couple of years every new Mac will have a better GPU than the majority of gaming laptops (by sale volume) on the market. Already the base M1 is a very competent little rasterizer, especially in games that use Apple-specific optimizations, and M2 will likely be at least 20-30% faster.
Are you part of the team developing or marketing this handheld device?
Inquiring minds…
That seems way higher than when I checked earlier this week! $59.95 for a year of updates, and, like Parallels, offers a two week free trial.
Alas, maybe gaming on Mac isn’t on life support, after all?
They don't make it clear but it's per year when most subscriptions are per month. However, I normally avoid subscriptions and buy lifetime but $499 is prohibitive when Wine is free on Linux and more evolved. In the end, I might end up buying something with the coupon code to support https://www.applegamingwiki.com/ efforts.
Cross platform games tend to be done for the lowest common denominator, unless you have a porting house (Evilris, Aspyr, Feral) that have the time to do a deep dive for optimizations. What we need is exclusive games that can show off what the hardware can do (like on consoles). The only PC game that I know of that needs "new" hardware to run is Metro Exodus: Enhanced Edition (it is why they include the "old" version with the game) but that is not the norm.
Thanks for your response I appreciate it! On some level I still disagree though. This is the chart that Apple used in their presentation that jump started this entire discussion. And Apple never once mentions gaming or RTX 3080 (in fact the computer they are comparing to doesn’t even use a mobile 3080) in their presentation. All they are comparing is “relative performance” to power consumption. That’s the whole point of this graph. Now what has happened is people looked at the footnote at the bottom and started to infer a bunch of additional meaning behind this graphic that Apple never intended.
But M1 does keep up with high-end mobile GPUs in games. Sure, you won't see this in Tomb Raider. But these kind of things cannot be judged by the worst case — there are simply too many confounding factors.
When you look at tests involving synthetic benchmarks, World of Warcraft, Baldur's Gates 3... these games show very competitive performance on par with high-end gaming laptops.
In my opinion, it comes down to effort and investment. I’m also a huge Doom/Quake/idTech game fan, and back in the day, we got every new id game that was made, including Rage (which I still have installed on my iMac).
The only things that changed after that was the new owners didn’t want to invest and make the effort to port newer versions of the idTech engines to the Mac.
It’s the only thing that can bring back idTech engine games.
But I don't make a statement that they ARE made for that.
That's why asked for solid info cause the statement was false in my opinion.
^^ Here's your response
And AGAIN I disagree.
If you would say " creative workflows are great on mac" yeah I agree but stating"...macs are made for creative workflow..." is a definitive thus false statement unless you can point me to where somebody from apple makes that case when pitching those things (we're talking last gen here since you like to be specific).
Just cause apple optimized a specific area of software that doesn't mean that they are for creative workflow. Sure currently a bunch of apps can take full power of the new architecture but nobody ever stated that they ARE MADE for creative workflow.
With time Office will be optimized for it and will fly on it. Will that mean that macs are made for MS Office workflow?
Nope. it will mean that mac is a good all rounded platform to invest in as a professional or hobbyist for that matter.
Look at their Product presentations and product pages on their website. They are littered with stats and infographics on creative workflow tasks. Again, I never said they are “only” for creative workflows. But it is obvious this is a niche that Apple is catering their MacBook Pro towards.
Yes it is - Mac is already made for word processing. Not arguing there. But if you buy an M1 Max (again the whole point of this specific post) just for word processing - I’d question your sanity just a bit. My comments in this whole post are catered specifically towards the M1 Max chip.
It sounds like you assume I mean “Macs are made ONLY for creative workflows” which is not what I said and have been clear about.
IIRC idTech engines use Vulkan on every platform it runs on (to be fair I am not 100% sure Xbox version does). Apple doesn't support Vulkan and id seems to have no plans on supporting Metal. I don't think Bethesda cares as much. There is a version of the Elder Scrolls (Blades) that runs on iOS but I don't think it is the same engine the main series uses.
the TITLE of this post and main subject of it is a statement that the mac GPU performance is poor for gaming and nothing about creative workflow. Maybe you should question your reading comprehension before worrying about others cause derailing a subject and blabbing about it for 15 pages doesn't sound sane at all.
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Uh did you see the original post specifically taking about the 32-core M1 Max chip? That’s what Sunny is talking about in like 80% of their comments in this thread. Maybe you don’t know how to read or don’t understand context.
