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M1 Pro/Max's GPU performance for gaming is quite poor.
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They'd need to stay in the $500 range if they were to make a console. It's possible if they don't take any profits and sell it at cost.
M1 Max is estimated to cost around $150 based on die dimensions, and 5nm yields. Add in a 1TB SSD, a fan, and some controller. They could hit $500 if they want to.
Much of the R&D cost is already covered by other products.
Well, it‘d be on par with consoles, yet a more capable machine, a „normal“ Mac. Maybe a bit more expensive compared to gaming PCs, but not outrageously so.
That might be the manufacturing cost of the die itself... but aren't you forgetting the memory? 16GB of LPDDR5 on itself is already not cheap, and here we have a 512-bit RAM bus, advanced packing technology and custom RAM modules... Not even high-end GPUs use this wide RAM bus since it would be too expensive. There is no way $500 even covers the material bill on an M1 Max machine...
How much do you think 16GB of LPDDR5 costs?
Apple could also replace that with the more power-hungry but cheaper DDR5/GDDR6.
To not gain any performance turning off AA seems sus.No, it isnt, not in this game and in this scenario where ,as he mentioned in the other thread, the cpu is an desktop i9-11900K with an desktop 3080TI
And at this type of game the gpu is the most important...is not like starcraft that is an cpu hungry
Bottom line is that for proper games that takes adv of Apples hardware this gpu is impressive for 55-60W
Have a nice day to all of you, going to play with Maya
M1 is already around 1650, M2 will be around 3050 (or slightly faster). Mobile of course.
They could yes, but they would need to build an entirely new SoC for that. New memory controllers, different pinout etc.
I don't think Apple will enter the computer or console gamer's market. The future is in mobile. Apple's GPUs are getting more powerful every year while maintaining the same power window. I would think in 2 to 3 years, mobile GPUs would be good enough for the effects that most gamers would care for.
Tiny correction: the RTX 3060 is the entry level Ray-tracing-capable GPU for gaming laptops.
I was thinking the exact same thing, but I also think we could see a near-future where those kinds of performance GPUs are the rule, not the exception, especially since Apple is now supporting Ray-tracing in Metal, hopefully that will happen sooner rather than later?
Food for thought.
Except in the x86 / x64 world, we are starting to see handhelds PCs with very decent performance, so the future isn't in mobile games. Quite the contrary, mobile platforms are absorbing larger titles.
This little **** looks like a toy. But make no mistake: it has a Core i7 with 16 GB RAM, and runs quite a few triple A games while offering eGPU support and being upgradeable (yes, you can replace the motherboard!). Right now, the fans are loud when a game is too demanding, but give it a few more years and we may start to see the same kind of performance efficiency boost we saw on Macs.
And no, as you can guess, it's not a low power system with some obscure Android / Linux distro. It's a full-blown system, so you could even install Office or Photoshop and make it your daily driver.
What you described sounds awfully like an iPad (except for the battery life), don't you agree?
I 100% agree.
It’s clear the chip has been designed with the intention of performing at its optimum in software such as logic, final cut, XCode, etc, etc.
I also agree that what apple have accomplished is totally mind blowing.
HOWEVER, comparison to gaming performance is made legitimate by apple coming out, comparing it to a machine focussed on the gaming market, and claiming near equal performance.
I’m not saying I’d expect the M1 max to keep up with a 3080 or even a 3070 in games. But apple made that comparison legitimate, Rightly or wrongly by how they made their presentation.
I'll disagree because while the iPad (especially the Pro models) have similar performance compared to the Macbook Pro, it has a more restricted system. The GPD series (and competitors) can run full-blown Windows systems smoothly, so they're more like ultra portable premium gaming systems. The GPD does have a touch screen, but it's not suitable for drawing as the iPad's.
Oh, where exactly is your source for the upclocked A6000? We’re not just trying to talk about any higher spec you believe that you can find that makes your point. More memory in a GPU mostly allows for higher-resolution textures.
Please explain in detail and with sources how double the GPU RAM makes for faster completion of ML tasks?
Are you speaking from experience, is that your personal experience? Or, are you going by marketing material?
Default/Boost clocks on the A6000 are higher than the 3090FE, and it has 2 more SMs than the 3090FE as well.
It is for many manufacturers like Lenovo. Model I bought used to have 3060 6GB as a minimum for less money than the new 3050ti 4GB minimum that is VRAM starved at higher quality settings.
I find this a little hard to believe, given that my M1 MBP 13" can pound World of Warcraft to the tune of 120fps (when hooked to my Samsung G7 via my dock).
That's actually false though with 3060 at 40W that's faster overall at gaming and even faster still with DLSS. Fan is spinning low so barely audible. Even 70W 3060 is more of a low whoosh than blow dryer but GPU compute performance is double of M1 Max. Keep repeating it if it makes you feel better though like those that falsely say 8GB on M1 is equivalent to 16GB on other architectures when in reality 8GB is insufficient and slows down performance per Andrew Tsai of https://www.applegamingwiki.com/.