I don't think that Apple has any serious problem to put inside an older card with a new name.
Some extra marketing and you 're ready.
It has happened, not so long ago...
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I don't think that Apple has any serious problem to put inside an older card with a new name.
Some extra marketing and you 're ready.
It has happened, not so long ago...
I don't think that Apple has any serious problem to put inside an older card with a new name.
Some extra marketing and you 're ready.
It has happened, not so long ago...
Even a dual GTX980, especially if binned like the D700 (radeon 280) would be a massive improvement and work fine with a lower power PSU such as the one in the nMP. Some of us have been wondering why a professional machine needs to have a 500 watt PSU but whatever. I'm not sure they'd risk 2 GPUS and 2 CPUs in the same machine with such a limitation.
I haven't been keeping up but a couple years ago the optimizations for AMD GPUs in FCPX were such that even an obsolete card like the 280 (D700) would still do better than high-end Nvidia. Anyone know if that's the case now? I asked barefeats and Rob over there said he'll look into it. Resolve is OpenCL and the newer NVidias are destroying the AMD (D700 = 7970 which is slightly faster than 7950).
You forget one thing. Radeon RX 480 in macOS is working on 16 CU's out of all 36 CU design, because its working on Baffin XT kexts. So if all CU's would be active, it would be faster than GTX 980 Ti in Davinci Resolve if we have to get accurate number, under macOS.Even a dual GTX980, especially if binned like the D700 (radeon 280) would be a massive improvement and work fine with a lower power PSU such as the one in the nMP. Some of us have been wondering why a professional machine needs to have a 500 watt PSU but whatever. I'm not sure they'd risk 2 GPUS and 2 CPUs in the same machine with such a limitation.
I haven't been keeping up but a couple years ago the optimizations for AMD GPUs in FCPX were such that even an obsolete card like the 280 (D700) would still do better than high-end Nvidia. Anyone know if that's the case now? I asked barefeats and Rob over there said he'll look into it. Resolve is OpenCL and the newer NVidias are destroying the AMD (D700 = 7970 which is slightly faster than 7950).
Secondly, lets wait for all of software being updated to Metal on macOS. Its easy to think that CUDA and OpenCL software will be completely phased out from Apple ecosystem, hence the Metal driver Engineer Job Listing from Nvidia.
And one last thing.
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Seems like from that video they should put dual RX480 as the base model and do 1080 as the top model? the 1070 still toasts it on most benchmarks but you're right that OpenCL and definitely Price/performance favor the 480. My post was mainly comparing the D700 to modern cards on the Nvidia side. Clearly AMD is keeping up at least with mid-range offerings.
What Apple should do is use RX 480 as a base model, at least, and use upcoming AMD Vega architecture as the other two tiers for GPU solution.
But in first place. Update the eekin' performance of the System, and their drivers! I have linked in another thread to interview with Raja Koduri in which he talked a lot about software performance and how it affects the end results we see in real world. And the conclusion is that very often software is extremely inefficient and is killing the performance of the hardware, for Nvidia, AMD and Intel.
And one last bit. Mainstream offering from AMD is competing with high-end offering from Nvidia in professional compute. Because RX 480 is Mainstream part, and GTX 1070 is high-end part.
Right, but in performance per watt, the AMDs tend to drop off in the high end. Instead of a black trash can you'll have a black puddle
If you're saying they should change the trash can to a bucket and double the PSU from 450 to 900watts, I'm right there with you. While they're at it they can switch to standard PCIe slots, maybe in the end it could look something like this revolutionary design! :
Why would they have to do this? If rumors are true, and Vega 10, the bigger chip, will have 12 TFLOPs from 64 CUs, in 225W TBP, that will mean that GPU can be locked in 10 TFLOPs in 150W or less. 4096 GCN cores, with 1.5 GHz will give 12.288 TFLOPs of compute power, and this is in line with rumors. Typically GCN saves around 75W of power consumption by declocking by 150 MHz. Taking off another 100 MHz will still give reasonable performance in much lower thermal envelope. And then there is Small Vega chip, which most likely will be 150-175W GPU.Right, but in performance per watt, the AMDs tend to drop off in the high end. Instead of a black trash can you'll have a black puddle
If you're saying they should change the trash can to a bucket and double the PSU from 450 to 900watts, I'm right there with you. While they're at it they can switch to standard PCIe slots, maybe in the end it could look something like this revolutionary design! :
So why would they need to put bigger PSU? There is no reason for this with upcoming AMD GPUs.
And if you ask how does compute performance relate to performance in Apps, remember the film I linked and think that GTX 1070 has 6.5 TFLOPs of compute power, and RX 480 has 5.8 TFLOPs of compute power. So the real world performance is pretty in line with compute performance you have in the GPUs.
Truth about AMD hardware is very far from the typical mindshare people have about the brand and which is built upon gaming benchmarks.
It's 10x more likely we saw again an Nvidia powered Mac pro with trash can form factor(even a revised one) than we saw again the old ISA form factor on a Mac again.
There are lots of things Apple needs to get rid of with ISA architecture, as flashed GPU and commodity storage and RAM, Apple loves to control their hardware.
There are lots of things Apple needs to get rid of with ISA architecture, as flashed GPU and commodity storage and RAM, Apple loves to control their hardware.
S!@#. Rumors point to that iMac will be delayed to 2017. There is absolutely nothing in hardware schedules that would delay it to 2017. Apart from... Zen and Vega architectures.
Kaby Lake will be this year. Polaris is supposed to be found in iMac computers. With using AMD hardware Apple would have full HSA compatibility. Well Im guessing we will see everything on 27th...
Ming-chi Kuo it's very reliable on what to come but not so on when, even his latest prediction is open to an iMac along the new MacBook Pros simple he is not sure.
Ming never anticipated the new Mac Pro, neither the iPad 4 (the iPad 3 with lightning) along mani things.
I'm not sure about Kuo or DNG, neither I schedule my purchases on predictions I simple wait for new hardware to be released as long I can, and while I love to update my nMP actually it still up for my work flow for a while until I really need to update it, but I really need an MacBook pro soon I wrongly switched to iPad pro considering it would be enough while on travel, yes I was so naive and over optimistic.
It's very likely I purchase next month a new retina MacBook pro 15 or 16 or whatever, no matter what said Kuo or DNG, and I'll update the Mac pro sometime next year if a new meaningful update comes available (I want at least RX480 or Vega11 and 8 cores e5v4 and tb3 but if announced Vega will be available on Q2 17 I'll wait for it, if no Mac pro I still have a plan B just in case.
What if the rumors are false and AMD screws it up again? You're comparing a product that doesn't exist (and may never exist) to one that exists now and has existed, on the shelves, for some time.
I'm not an AMD or NVidia fanboy. If AMD makes better chips for FCPX and OpenCL at a good performance per watt, clearly they should probably use that.
Last time Apple used an AMD chip they used one based on a processor (7970) that was released in 2011. Apple called it a D700, clocked it down and stuffed it into a 2013 machine and charged a boatload more. Luckily they binned the heck out of it and threw in a thermal throttle.
I think the most likely scenario is termination of the Mac Pro line, the next most likely scenario being an upgrade with Nvidia chips (some day) simply due to the obvious CURRENT performance per watt advantage. Apple and Nvidia could have been adapting the 980 or even 1080 into the trash can form factor for a year now--hard to imagine a "rumored" AMD chip having a temporal advantage in this department. Obviously my preference is that they release standard computer with PCIe slots again, but I accept that will never happen.
I guess new Mac Pro and new iMac will be presented on 27.October, unlikely Mac Mini, but only released in Q.1. 2017.
Only MacBook Pros will be released in November 2016: https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/24/eurasian-mac-listing/
Only MacBook Pros will be released in November 2016: https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/24/eurasian-mac-listing/
It only implies 3 new immediately available sku for Eurasia, if the nnMP, iMac, mini are announced too but available next week on those markets Apple dont need to file for these yet but until they plan to release for these areas.
Even it seems 3 variations of the same model, not 3 different models.
http://wccftech.com/download-macos-sierra-10121-final-version-install/
Final build of Sierra. I guess it's finally time to go Sierra on my rMBP.
Anyone installed it yet? How is it? Any clues regarding the new rMBP or nMP in it?
Final build of Sierra. I guess it's finally time to go Sierra on my rMBP.
Anyone installed it yet? How is it? Any clues regarding the new rMBP or nMP in it?
Yeah Macrumors guy specifically said it seems more likely to be upgrades for portables. I'm not sure where he's getting the nMP upgrade rumor.
Care for a trip down memory lane?
http://wccftech.com/see-how-apple-c...d-over-the-past-two-decades-time-lapse-video/
http://wccftech.com/see-how-apple-c...d-over-the-past-two-decades-time-lapse-video/
MAC PRRRRROOOOO!!!! (sniff) (sniff)........(sob) (sob)...
MacWorld and the other poster in this thread seem convinced there is a Mac Pro announcement coming this week. I haven't heard anything, but I could see it going either way. I think the hardware is probably ready. but we'll see if Apple is willing to go ahead without a monitor and iMac announcement. Even without a monitor to pair with they may still launch anyway. Or at least comment that an update is coming.
My guess is at least the iMac announcement was supposed to happen this week, but if Kuo is right and there won't be an announcement, then something happened. Maybe something up with the panel if both it and the display are delayed? Other possibility would be something with AMD if the display is going to have a GPU?
My guess is at least the iMac announcement was supposed to happen this week, but if Kuo is right and there won't be an announcement, then something happened. Maybe something up with the panel if both it and the display are delayed? Other possibility would be something with AMD if the display is going to have a GPU?
well..the poster from mbp subforum discovered polaris support....under 10.12.1 mac OS....so...it's possible.
It would make sense to do a complete lineup update but I'm not so sure it's the right time.
Laptops I'd say it's almost a sure thing they'll unveil new models.
Desktops not so much. Maybe an announcement for a future release.
Laptops I'd say it's almost a sure thing they'll unveil new models.
Desktops not so much. Maybe an announcement for a future release.
Polaris 11 would be MacBook Pro. Polaris 10 could even imply iMac. I've been surprised to see no Vega support, which I'd expect for a new Mac Pro.
Not unusual for Mac Pros to ship with special OS X builds though.