PhD. Was speaking tongue in cheek because he felt No One was spreading misinformation. I for one HOPE No One is accurate.
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Oh, I jest. Being off by one month isn't a big deal. And "September" is really a proxy for any Apple event in the Fall.
Absolutely. I love late October is really within the last 4 days of the month (for the Nike edition and hopefully air pods).
His estimates at least look reasonable.
And in line with what I'm predicting which I always like.
(I'll throw on top of that that I think that the 2013 nMPs will be getting available upgrade options to the Polaris based GPUs, which I've mentioned before, but not the top end 2016 GPU due to the increased power requirements, which I've also mentioned before)
I also think any BTO config that would ship with Vega will not be shipping immediately. But I could always be surprised.
After hell freezes over.
Although I'm in the camp that thinks that the Mac Pro will be terminated - I simply cannot imagine any scenario where Apple will offer an upgrade for the MP6,1 rather than force you to buy the MP7,1.
Why do you think that Apple is so fond of proprietary connectors? Exactly.
My understanding is that there is an intention to provide GPU upgrades for the 2013s.
Intention is different than a shipping product, so who knows. But that is what I've heard. Apple scraps a lot of things that they intend to do.
It throws a bone to the Mac Pro crowd while also making sure that those who want the very top end GPU need to rebuy, as they've done in prior years.
What evidence do you have to support that position?
It would be very un-Apple to do something to extend the life of an older system instead of selling a whole new box.
There's one scenario I can see quite easily - the 2013 GPU is a faulty design. It fails, and when replacement parts are put in, they fail as well. They stopped production a long while back, and apart from stocks of spares not lasting for ever, the warranty and service costs of these machines, as well as the hit to their reputation in the pro sector are a cost.
Asking people to buy a new machine is never a good solution, from a customer sat perspective, to having sold them a lemon.
Apple did sell GPU upgrade "kits" for Mac Pros. An upgrade involved a standard PCIe card held in by one thumbscrew. But that was the old Apple.
In the nMP a GPU replacement is possible but significantly more difficult. IIRC from previous threads about this, it involves:
- Security screws and a clamp
- Some sort of replacement thermal pad or paste between chip and heatsink
- A computer firmware update (because the GPU firmware is actually on the logic board instead of the GPUs)
Even if you want to go from the D300 to D500/D700, Apple won't sell you the parts. Yes, possible, but difficult and only with grey market parts. The new Apple is very anti-upgrade.
I haven't really been active on this forum for about 3 years and goMac is STILL predicting replaceable video cards/upgrades.
The lack of replaceable video cards were one of my biggest gripes from 3 years ago when people compared the D700 to the $3000 FirePro W9000 (might be getting that model wrong, you know the one)--FirePros are for power users. Power users don't take a week or two off mailing their whole box (trash can?) to Apple to replace a faulty video card, the people who pay $3000 for a FirePro have ATI come to their house in short order, swap the card, and get them back to work, not have a 1 year warranty.... at no additional cost.
My 5,1 is solid with it's GTX980 I just threw in it. A single card with all the power of dual D700 on the Mac side with twice the performance per watt, all the gaming power of xfire d700 on the PC side. We said this would happen.
Keep dreaming about those video cards. 3 years and counting. As if Apple of all companies is going to allow you to peel off the heatsink from a video card without voiding the warranty when even gaming companies that SELL aftermarket GPU waterblocks call it void.
I'm not sure if they'll kill the Mac Pro line, we thought the Mac Pro was gone years ago when Apple last neglected it.. but they've never had a gap like this before!
@slughead-what you said and how you said it was honestly the nail in the coffin.
Shy of any tease or announcement that something is coming next Thursday I think we all can land safely in the Mac Pro is dead bring on the HP Z's.
Like the Thunderbolt Display, they could be trying to off load existing inventory with a press release to look elsewhere, but come back for the watch bands.
*the only potential tease or indication that there is anything left coming in the Mac Pro arena is:
1. A heads up we have something big that you're gonna like with actual specs and a pre-order release date.
2. Updated specs with a price drop-if major components aren't ready at least bring on thunderbolt 3 and show that there is something actually going on in the Mac Pro R&D office (which probably is being run by a mouse at this point). This option could potentially buy them more time if they are indeed waiting on next gen CPU/GPU's.
3. Jony shocks us all with Rose Gold. (I'd seriously like a pure matte aluminum in the same vein as the G5 and cMP-sans anodized polished).
Shy of any tease or announcement that something is coming next Thursday I think we all can land safely in the Mac Pro is dead bring on the HP Z's.
Like the Thunderbolt Display, they could be trying to off load existing inventory with a press release to look elsewhere, but come back for the watch bands.
*the only potential tease or indication that there is anything left coming in the Mac Pro arena is:
1. A heads up we have something big that you're gonna like with actual specs and a pre-order release date.
2. Updated specs with a price drop-if major components aren't ready at least bring on thunderbolt 3 and show that there is something actually going on in the Mac Pro R&D office (which probably is being run by a mouse at this point). This option could potentially buy them more time if they are indeed waiting on next gen CPU/GPU's.
3. Jony shocks us all with Rose Gold. (I'd seriously like a pure matte aluminum in the same vein as the G5 and cMP-sans anodized polished).
That's what I've heard the little birds singing about.
I didn't see PhDs post before, but it seems similar to what I've heard, especially some of the side details. But I haven't heard much bird song recently, so who knows what that means.
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/...w-mac-pro-specs-new-features-rumours-3536364/
I seriously don't know how credible they are...but it appears it suppose to bring out mac pro late November...or at least be available.
I seriously don't know how credible they are...but it appears it suppose to bring out mac pro late November...or at least be available.
When the canary stops singing it's typically due to a soon-to-be-fatal build-up of gases. It might be wise for us to exit the mine soon.
Anxious to see what next week brings.
Don't trust the little birds, you don't know where they have learnt their songs and who finally has sent them to you...
I don't know what Apple will end up doing, especially in since I haven't heard anything as of late. But I know upgradable cards are at least on the table. I'll at least say is that the 2013 nMP was intended to have GPU upgrades. It was not designed to prevent GPU upgrades. That's what I've heard.
The part I am guessing about is which cards would be available. I haven't heard any specifics on that.
It took 3 years but I've finally figured it out. You're trolling. You don't really believe there will be upgrades, you have no inside information. It's either that or something really weird going on in your brain, but I choose to believe that you sir are a genius. Troll on sir, troll on. (seriously, you had me going)
In the article, it was stated that a "source who works with Apple..."
But whatever.
I didn't catch that. Possibably an Apple reseller?
[doublepost=1477109965][/doublepost]I see that the Mac Observer reported that Apple's "hello again" for the upcoming Apple event is probably actually from the original 1984 Macintosh ad where this was written on the screen using MacPaint.
Something really new coming?
I don't know exactly..but the article stated very boldly. Meaning .."for sure." Of course...the article is just like Macrumors.
For one thing: they could announce the whole lineup ..but goes over things very briefly ...or we could end up with "one more thing."
It's anyone's guess.
I don't doubt they recongize the need of Mac Pro.
If they are planning to go further with fcpx, it would be their best interest to get Mac Pro going.
I hope what they did is realise that they release a product that the world and technology wasn't quite ready for and went back to the drawing board to give use the nnMacPro Late 2016 that solves the problem of limited ram slots and expandability.
All I want is 8 ram slots, dual cpus, dual m.2 slots. GXF via TB3 compatible display could be pretty cool if done right (single cable with USB3, SD card, ethernet etc on the display). 1080GTX mobile parts are now fully enable desktop parts so it is doable in the size constraint of the nMP if they want to stick it in the machine.
Also much more can be done within about a 500W power envelope than 3 years ago, 120W CPU x 2, 90W GPU x 2, 80W for RAM + SSD + USB etc.
All I want is 8 ram slots, dual cpus, dual m.2 slots. GXF via TB3 compatible display could be pretty cool if done right (single cable with USB3, SD card, ethernet etc on the display). 1080GTX mobile parts are now fully enable desktop parts so it is doable in the size constraint of the nMP if they want to stick it in the machine.
Also much more can be done within about a 500W power envelope than 3 years ago, 120W CPU x 2, 90W GPU x 2, 80W for RAM + SSD + USB etc.
Both AMD and Intel have made it pretty awkward for the Mac Pro to be upgraded, if Nvidea was supplying the GPUs then there might have been a refresh, but AMD hasn't been able to put together a real GPU upgrade that works with the concept in years. That being said, if they'd kept with the tower design and just kept releasing Mac editions the newest AMD GPUs then there wouldn't be such a tragic forum. nMP should've been a midrange i7 tower, but the Xeons should have been in a bigger body.