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If the current Logic board is the base for next Mac Pro there will be not radical change in form factor.
If you see 6 pin connects, that means we can expect up to 150W of GPU.
Fiji can be run on 150W TDP and 850MHz core clock at max. S9300X2 and Radeon Pro Duo both have under 300W power consumption under load and both are dual, full Fiji setups. But both cards are running on under 900MHz core clocks. Both GPUs in top of the line would bring 14 TFLOPs of compute power.
I suppose water cooling could be one of the options for next Mac Pro which for me would be best possible news, apart from remaining efficiency, and dual GPU setup with single socket CPU.
Paradoxicaly, the news about full PCIe slots can point to coherent fabric connecting the GPUs.
Water cooling, Coherent Fabric, Broadwell-EP CPUs, 2400 MHz RAM, that would make really updated and better computer, if it would still be as efficient as before.
If Apple's recent decision on the display line is any indication, perhaps soon you'll be reading this...
"We're discontinuing the Mac Pro. It will be available through Apple.com, Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers while supplies last. There are a number of better third-party workstation options available elsewhere," said an Apple spokesperson.
"We're discontinuing the Mac Pro. It will be available through Apple.com, Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers while supplies last. There are a number of better third-party workstation options available elsewhere," said an Apple spokesperson.
Perhaps the lack of an upgradable professional workstation wouldn't be as much of an issue if Apple were offering regular updates to it. It's one thing to offer a workstation which cannot be upgraded when new versions are being released on a somewhat regular basis. It's another to offer a workstation which cannot be upgraded and offering nothing new for over three years.
A pedantic point, but Steve Jobs had nothing to do with the TAM. It was designed (yes, by a young Jony Ive), developed and released before he came back to Apple. That, and the TAM was always intended as a limited edition product, so drawing any conclusions about Apple's long term plans from that is a bit of a stretch.
I agree that Jobs would have loved the nMP design. It is beautiful, but far too limiting.
With Apple pro products, any lack of profitability is a self-fulfilling prophecy on Apple's part. Of course if they divest in their pro lineup then sales will fall off a cliff. If they make an effort then profitability is virtually guaranteed. No other computer company enjoys such customer loyalty. No other could ignore/abuse loyal pro users to the extent Apple has and remain viable.
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Here's an article on the problem. Pros tried to use the Tube as a normal workstation and it self-immolated:
"...the Mac Pro “cooks” when running Blackmagic’s DaVinci Resolve software with 4K or higher RAW media and heavy correction after 15 minutes."
"'You can burn your hand by touching that machine when it is really hot,' Joseph said."
"'We noticed it wasn’t working properly after about two months when rendering a 4K film. That’s when it started showing weakness. When rendering it starts to show black frames or different colour frames.'"
"changed the graphics cards...but the problem persisted, with the machine continuing to overheat and malfunction during heavy work."
"Having invested heavily in a workflow based on Apple, the management at Mile Studios is unsure of its next move but is mulling a switch to Linux or Windows-based platforms."
"'You can burn your hand by touching that machine when it is really hot,' Joseph said."
"'We noticed it wasn’t working properly after about two months when rendering a 4K film. That’s when it started showing weakness. When rendering it starts to show black frames or different colour frames.'"
"changed the graphics cards...but the problem persisted, with the machine continuing to overheat and malfunction during heavy work."
"Having invested heavily in a workflow based on Apple, the management at Mile Studios is unsure of its next move but is mulling a switch to Linux or Windows-based platforms."
If I believed any of Apple's current management cared about professional Mac users then I'd say this overheating issue is yet another reason for the three year delay: they are frantically designing a new conventional tower. But at this point I believe it more likely that Apple plans to EOL macOS within the next decade so they can fully devote themselves to shiny baubles like their line of watch bands. I've got $100 that says Ive spends more time on those damn watch bands than he does on desktop Macs!
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Apple actually makes a lot of money from Mac sales. If the Mac division was a standalone company like Dell it would be considered very successful.
The problem is that as profitable as Mac sales are they pale in comparison to the 67% income that is derived from the iPhone. So, anything not iOS related is relegated to second rung status or worse.
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Thank you, for the link, interesting case... "Dubai heat", how sad issues...
Unfortunately right now design and thin are the primary targets for Apple, nothing else...
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I'm not putting much faith in that "report".
If they do, it means a pretty big misstep and a small PR blunder for Apple. I mean they literally told you to go across the street and buy monitors. If they actually have intentions of releasing products in the fall doesn't seem like much of a reason to announce EOL at this point without a product launch ready for it's replacement. I don't think people cared to know why the stock was getting short in retail stores...They handled launch/discontinuations much better in the past: https://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/27...ontinues-30-inch-and-24-inch-cinema-displays/. That is a very different tone then what they delivered yesterday. Time will tell...
Back to topic..
It isn't. If the production of new display is undergoing, and production of old display stopped, there was absolutely no point in letting it live in people's minds.
Well, they're the ones that told you to go buy a monitor across the street. In 2010, you can see that it was handled much better. Announce new toy, and cliff-note that old toys are going away...Not, old toy going away, go get something from our competitors.
This sounds like the kind of idea that comes out of a meeting titled "Brainstorming Ways to Make Our GPU Performance Obsolete Even Faster".
Integrating a discreet GPU in a display is stupid. The GPU will be obsolete long before the display. Or maybe the display craps out early and you're left with a useless $500 GPU.
An external Thunderbolt PCIe enclosure with desktop video cards is a good solution.
An external Thunderbolt PCIe enclosure with desktop video cards is a good solution.
Another good solution for PCIe cards is to have PCIe slots in the computer.
The question is: Why? It's not as if Apple doesn't have the resources to develop a new iDevice and refresh the Mac line. They don't have to choose one of the other. Maybe they should spin off the Mac line so it can get the attention it deserves.
I can see some people here are just hoping for the return of the Mac Pro...hoping till the end of days. That's true hardcore right there. It may not even cater to their needs. If it comes then it comes. Who knows if Apple will bring them out or not. Putting puzzle pieces together with amd and other stuff wouldn't be the real indicator of the next Mac Pro. The real indicator is when Tim mentions he be looking forward with next Mac Pro. If there is leaks...so be it. But then again... The only we thing that is still possible is because of Mac Pro Code in El Capitan.
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5,1 is great but... Will eventually be a bye bye from Tim Cook.
Oops, you are right, point taken.
I was only trying to imply that Steve was known to sometimes favor form over function, much as Jony does.
It's easy see how they became such fast friends.
- Jay
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If you look at the glass half full, this could mean a shift in the creative industry from the chains of using a Mac to the freedom of your own custom PC.
You mean, like, inside the computer? Then you would have to glue it all back together!
This is exactly right. I sincerely hope Apple does NOT release a display with a GPU built in. If they do it will be one more thing used to lock us into a closed eco-system with no other options. I'd much rather have an eGPU that I can plug any display into, or take as a road warrior machine. (I currently run an Akitio thunder 2 with a GTX 970 from my MBP (don't get me started on Mac OpenGL support and benchmarks W10 to OS X) ;0 but it's still very nice to have a 970 on my laptop)
RE: the Mac Pro. Loved the design, low idle power and noise, and dual D700's option when it first came out. It's just all very dated now with no new options. On one, rendering 4K footage produced baked-in glitches. We tried all the tricks like elevating machine (for air flow) and manual fan speed profiles but no luck. Finally, the D700's were replaced for free. Another one is now manifesting issues and will need to go to the shop, and hopefully Apple still extends that replacement recall.)